MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #9

[southernyankee]

All caught up, y'all... and post-Mardi Gras (thank GOD), back in a normal-ish routine...

A few quick thoughts:

1) Is it possible that Jessica's stop at a residence in Courtland could've been "the party"? Even if this was a smallish gathering...
2) If LF was indeed on her way (along Herron Road) to go fishing that night. I wonder if she happened to have previously given a more particular time estimate of WHEN she would have been traveling that road that evening...
3) ...and just how does that time relate to the terribly precise 7:31pm that we've now been informed places Jessica at the scene? If she couldn't believe she didn't see anything... and we all knew previously that first responders arrived around 8:10-8:15pm... this gives about a 40-minute window...
4) While the 6:30pm-7:30pm hour is said to be unaccounted for as to Jessica's particular whereabouts...if the approximately 6:48pm-7:13pm phone call with her mother indeed occurred and there was little background noise (if any) as reported by Lisa...what, if anything, can we assume about where Jessica was (or wasn't) during that time?

Lots to think about. But I believe this timeline is more helpful than we may realize at this point...

 

[BelieveinUFO]

According to Usatoday article - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ens-mom-recalls-last-words-daughter/23437545/,
JC's mom says she ended her call with JCat 7:13p because she can see it on her phone (guess that's accurate time because it would be cell-tower's time).

JC was spotted walking on fire at 8:17p. Has anyone researched how long a person can walk engulfed with fire (started with an accelerant like gasoline)? My guess would be probably not more than 5-10 minutes and that means she was just lit on fire barely 10 mins back at the max.

Also, the location where she was found on google maps is a lonely stretch and it is about 500 yards from the closest residential intersection. Immediately behind that check-post where her car was found is a wooded area. Not sure whether the authorities searched and combed that area when they found her at 8:20 (The suspect if he did not get in another car would be somewhere close to that place).

There are 2 scenarios how JC ended up there
1)She parked her car on her own at that place (probably known to her and probably done it couple of times before. Who does she hang out usually at that place?)
2) If someone drove her car to that place, they should have researched that place and probably planned a get-away path from there.
Either way the location of her car is a dead giveaway that the suspect is local (unless suspect has another local accomplice(s)) because it is so close to the residential intersection and an outsider would have driven little bit further down the road to the country side. (may not know how the traffic is in that area)

I am curious which side the passer-by (who spotted JC) was driving - towards Courtland (means towards the residential area intersection) or away from Courtland towards country side. Did he encounter any car or person(s) walking along his way before encountering JC? (or may be saw someone next to JC)

I would also be interested on what JC's mom said on the video in the link I posted above. The first few seconds I couldn't really grasp what she said. I would be grateful if someone can transcribe what JC's mom talks in the first 15 seconds of the video.

 

[Yvettea]

I would also be interested on what JC's mom said on the video in the link I posted above. The first few seconds I couldn't really grasp what she said. I would be grateful if someone can transcribe what JC's mom talks in the first 15 seconds of the video.

Jessica kept saying mom these B's think I'm snitching. Well a guy took that to mean that I was saying a group of gang girls did this. No. By Jessica saying that it could be male or female.

 

[Classito]

According to Usatoday article - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ens-mom-recalls-last-words-daughter/23437545/,

JC was spotted walking on fire at 8:17p. Has anyone researched how long a person can walk engulfed with fire (started with an accelerant like gasoline)? My guess would be probably not more than 5-10 minutes and that means she was just lit on fire barely 10 mins back at the max.

I have seen conflicting reports on this. Some reports say she was on fire at discovery but others says she she was found badly burned beside her car

Classito

 

[wfgodot]

From last paragraph of USA Today/Clarion-Ledger article, her mother quoted:

"I think all she wanted was someone she felt loved her and would accept her for who she was."

Sounds very depressed at that point in life, job or no job, resolve or no resolve.

 

[anonone]

All caught up, y'all... and post-Mardi Gras (thank GOD), back in a normal-ish routine...

A few quick thoughts:

1) Is it possible that Jessica's stop at a residence in Courtland could've been "the party"? Even if this was a smallish gathering...

I think people who have young kids invite those who are close to them over for birthday parties. JMO

 

[anonone]

Today, in Knoxville, TN, on a major artery off I-40/75, i saw a large electronic billboard by the FBI advertising the Jessica Chambers' reward. Don't know if they are appearing in other parts of the country as well. Thought it was a bit unusual for it to be on the arterial road and not on I-40/75 (the billboard cannot be seen from the Interstate). It is right before a Pilot Flying J, so it gets a lot of truck visibility.

Is this an indication that the FBI has a reason to think that likely informants are possibly places other than Panola County and its immediate vicinity? It is interesting coming with the timing of the Clarion-Ledger piece.

I just saw another FBI billboard on U.S. 23 in Duffield, VA. We were SB. It was actually at the intersection on 23 and 58.

ETA: This road goes through, TN, VA, KY, WV (close) and I think OH.

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I think there is someone who might work AS a truck driver, live on Carlisle Road in Courtland with their girlfriend who is probably older than Jessica by AS much AS a few months, and has a kid whose birthday is December 6th. However, they were probably out-of-town working and missed the birthday.

Alright, I'm off to Walgreens to get some beauty items.

 

[suspicious1]

Imo i feel the trip was for some sort of drug. I used to smoke (marijuana) and that is how it went to get it at that age. Pick up a friend, run friend to location, bring friend back to original place (or somewhere in the vicinity of). All jmho of course.

Yes, the "drive there, 'visit' briefly, leave soon" scenario sounds like a drug buy from my youth, all-righty.

Yep sure does....

Even the "where are we going to smoke"?
(That Herron location would be a nice little spot to smoke the drug of their choice.)

That could mean that whoever was there with her either didn't have their own apt/house or they lived with someone who they couldn't smoke around like the parents.

As teenagers think about why you would need somewhere else to go to smoke.

JMO

 

[SassyBenton]

I have been following this story but don’t know the details as well as most on here. I was wondering why she went to a shelter and not one of her parent’s homes when trying to escape her abusive relationship. Did she not feel safe enough at either of their homes or was she not welcome? People usually go to shelters when they have no other options.

 

[SassyBenton]

Yep sure does....

Even the "where are we going to smoke"?
(That Herron location would be a nice little spot to smoke the drug of their choice.)

That could mean that whoever was there with her either didn't have their own apt/house or they lived with someone who they couldn't smoke around like the parents.

As teenagers think about why you would need somewhere else to go to smoke.

JMO

I grew up in rural Washington state and we always drove out into the country as teenagers to drink and smoke pot, that’s where all the parties took place. I wonder if she picked someone up for a little “drive” in the country and that’s when the person she was with attacked.

 

[ZOOL]

I think there is someone who might work AS a truck driver, live on Carlisle Road in Courtland with their girlfriend who is probably older than Jessica by AS much AS a few months, and has a kid whose birthday is December 6th. However, they were probably out-of-town working and missed the birthday.

Alright, I'm off to Walgreens to get some beauty items.

I think Ali Alsanai's second interview may have the "loud pipes" of that truck driver's engine in the background of Carlisle Road AS it enters onto US 51 at footage 11:23 to 11:39.

Be careful you don't get run over by some ogling truck driver bedazzled by you AS you beam with your new beauty items. :dracula:

 

[flatfootjoe]

I have been following this story but don’t know the details as well as most on here. I was wondering why she went to a shelter and not one of her parent’s homes when trying to escape her abusive relationship. Did she not feel safe enough at either of their homes or was she not welcome? People usually go to shelters when they have no other options.

Jessica was a troubled young woman. She was looking to make lifestyle changes, as much as, if not more so, than escaping a bad relationship. Leah's house is basically an emotional rehabilitation center, not a refuge for battered women. I'm fairly certain I'm not violating any TOS restriction by posting the URL. http://www.rachelssister.com/ Do a little reading and see what she may have gone for.

 

[cady]

Jessica kept saying mom these B's think I'm snitching. Well a guy took that to mean that I was saying a group of gang girls did this. No. By Jessica saying that it could be male or female.

This bothers me. Did this happen AFTER Leah's house or before? Also, when asked right after her death, no one could imagine anyone hating JC except possibly former boyfriends. Then WAY down the road we hear the snitching business. What IS the deal? I am not comfortable with Lisa's information. JMO

 

[cady]

JMO Also...if JC had become angelic after her stay at Leah's, then she had probably all but severed her social ties with her former cronies. She would not know their business, and not have much to snitch about. She was a darling troubled girl and was trying to better herself, but I doubt that she was the angel that she has been painted to be. She was still stuck in Panola county. With baggage. If the "snitching" comments were AFTER Leah's, she was still as paranoid as she was before she went to Leah's. Just my opinion JMO

 

[SteveP]

I am still having problems with Champion's statement in the latest press conference that investigators still don't know where Jessica was from 6:30-7:30 the night she died, but can pretty much account for the entire rest of her day. Something about that just doesn't sit right with me. LD's phone call with Jessica supposedly took place during that time frame, and the US Marshals have probably the most sophisticated technological forensics cell phone tracking ability of any law enforcement agency. They have been able to place Jessica's cell phone, and assumedly Jessica, at the Herron Rd scene at 7:31, so why were they not able to determine her whereabouts during her phone call less than an hour earlier? I can think of a few reasons, and they are...1) LD either lied, or was mistaken about the time of the call, or 2) There was no phone call between LD and Jessica. If either of these were true, LE would certainly be able to ascertain that from LD and Jessica's phone records. That brings me to 3) Jessica was using another phone during the call, either a borrowed phone, or she could have owned a burner phone that she used for clandestine encounters that she did not want her mom to know of. It is possible that her phone was paid by LD or part of a family plan, and LD would have had access to her monthly bill. IIRC, it was LD who first texted Jessica and called, receiving no answer, but then I believe it was Jessica that phoned her back. But if it were not Jessica's usual number that showed up on her phone, she would have known that, and LE would know whatever the number was that the call was from. Then there is 4) LE is lying about not knowing where she was for any of that hour between 6:30 and 7:30. If that is true, can we believe that they are actually close to nailing someone and just stating they don't know where she was during that critical last hour, or do they truly not know?? Any thoughts? All JMO, as always.

ETA...I also found it odd that Champion did not even mention the supposed phone call between LD and Jessica when he laid out the timeline.

 

[Zuri]

I keep checking in to see if any progress has been made in her case. I had really thought it would have been solved by now, but then again I am impatient for justice. Thanks for all the posts and links!

 

[Yvettea]

1) LD <snip> was mistaken about the time of the call about the time of the call

The call actually occurred sometime after 7:31 and LE already knows where Jess was at that time. Just a possibility.

 

[cady]

If the DA deliberately left out the Lisa conversation with JC and Lisa was telling the truth, it was a HUGE slam on Lisa. Since, reportedly, Lisa did not get a heads up about the news conference, I tend to think that LE does not believe that there was a conversation. If LE was going to announce the hour gap, I would think that they would have explained why they were doing that to Lisa. As it is, they are basically saying that Lisa is lying. If Lisa did talk to JC she should be screaming from the rooftops! I would. JMO.. If there was a call there is a record of it. JMO

 

[BelieveinUFO]

I have seen conflicting reports on this. Some reports say she was on fire at discovery but others says she she was found badly burned beside her car

Classito

That's how she was when the first responders came to the scene but someone reported her burning when they passed through the road.

Well, according to my research online, a person, even with heavy clothing, is lit on fire using an accelerant, it only takes 30 seconds to 150 seconds for the body to be severely burned. A severely burned person would have no energy to walk.

So when the person who reported her burning should have come to the scene within 2 to 5 minutes of her being torched and the suspect should have been at the vicinity and would not have left until she was confirmed dead.

May be he did see someone else and that's why LE is on the hunt for the prep(s). IMO, suicide can be rejected.

But I am not sure whether LE searched the area and the nearby woods with a sniffer dog on that night. This should always be done asap in any crime scene and shouldn't wait for the next day.

 

[SeeAlice]

I have been following this story but don&#8217;t know the details as well as most on here. I was wondering why she went to a shelter and not one of her parent&#8217;s homes when trying to escape her abusive relationship. Did she not feel safe enough at either of their homes or was she not welcome? People usually go to shelters when they have no other options.

It was a pre-trial intervention thing according to her mother. I believe her & applaud her decision. JMO