MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 11/5/11

[ElliemayJ]

The thing is: when things are not as they should be, one notices. If drawers were opened in the baby's room when they shouldn't have been, I think it would have been noticed. Besides which, I remember DB stating in one of the early interviews (when asked by a reporter if anything was out of place in Lisa's room - paraphrasing) that nothing was missing or out of place and it was as if "they" had just disappeared.

IIRC, DB's comments about "not checking" were regarding whether or not anything else was missing (i.e. valuable items a burglar might be interested in, is how I interpreted it).

I don't believe for a minute that the alleged *kidnapper* ransacked Baby Lisa's bureau & stole clothes, and then tossed those same clothes later that night in an area where the searchers conveniently found them earlier today.

The closet was right there open and exposed with clothes hanging. Clothes were assessable without going through drawers per video of the room.

 

[DeAnn]

Guys, I removed a couple of posts alleging that motorcycle man positively ID'd the subject guy carrying the baby as a particular neighbor. We NEED a link for something like that. If someone can provide a link, I will be more than happy to reapprove those posts.

I think CNN's Jim Spellman strongly hinted at it but not sure if he said it. He also said the neighbor denied that he was there. May have been tweets. May have been from interview he did Wednesday night. Sorry. Too tired to look up the tweets or interview but maybe someone else will. But I think the MSM source is Spellman.

 

[sorrell skye]

BBM
I respectfully disagree. If people think the parents are possibly sly enough to cover-up their involvement in BL's disappearance by possibly sending out a decoy with a baby doll, while simultaneously being dumb enough to say their phones are not working when clearly at least one of them did, then I am at least open to the possibility that a kidnapper was smart enough to plan this out and have more than just himself or herself involved (one person to kidnap and then meet somewhere to exchange the baby or leave in a certain predetermined place for the other person to pick her up) and simultaneously dumb enough to be in the area for a few hours. MOO

BBM

Personally, I don't believe (and never have) in any doll decoy scenario.

Nor do I believe (at this point in time) in the kidnapping scenario, until there is evidence to support it.

 

[Jaxson]

I think CNN's Jim Spellman strongly hinted at it but not sure if he said it. He also said the neighbor denied that he was there. May have been tweets. May have been from interview he did Wednesday night. Sorry. Too tired to look up the tweets or interview but maybe someone else will. But I think the MSM source is Spellman.

If you read his twitter you will find he was asked and he would not identify the man. Spellman is not the MSM source. Not a direct quote but he says he was asked before and is not going to discuss other than to say it was not Jersey/Tanko.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

That kidnapper was so busy that night. Climbing in the window, turning lights on/off, taking clothes, moving kids, calling people, taking cell phones, wandering around the neighborhood for hours and hours. And, on and on..:innocent:

BBM With all due respect, we don't know if anyone climbed in the window, we just know according to JI it was tampered with. It could be that the intruder tried but failed at getting in the window, and then entered through the door. We just don't know really how they gained entrance, or exited.

 

[epiphany]

If you read his twitter you will find he was asked and he would not identify the man. Spellman is not the MSM source. Not a direct quote but he says he was asked before and is not going to discuss other than to say it was not Jersey/Tanko.

And:

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
@
@Iamsuzzz no one we've run across yet has S-n-P hair so i dont know what to say about MTs description.
16 hours ago

 

[beach]

I think CNN's Jim Spellman strongly hinted at it but not sure if he said it. He also said the neighbor denied that he was there. May have been tweets. May have been from interview he did Wednesday night. Sorry. Too tired to look up the tweets or interview but maybe someone else will. But I think the MSM source is Spellman.

If you read his twitter you will find he was asked and he would not identify the man. Spellman is not the MSM source. Not a direct quote but he says he was asked before and is not going to discuss other than to say it was not Jersey/Tanko.

I realize how important this is but we have to table this until we some MSM link and/or video confirming. This could cause a LOT more confusion and that is the last thing this case needs.

Sorry guys. I am going to alert other mods to this thread so they can help open the discussion as soon as we have positive confirmation.

 

[sorrell skye]

And:

jimspellmancnn jim spellman
@
@Iamsuzzz no one we've run across yet has S-n-P hair so i dont know what to say about MTs description.
16 hours ago

What???

IIRC, a few days ago, Spellman said he had spoken with or knew of the man MT had ID'd in the photo.

 

[Wendy101]

Guys, I removed a couple of posts alleging that motorcycle man positively ID'd the subject guy carrying the baby as a particular neighbor. We NEED a link for something like that. If someone can provide a link, I will be more than happy to reapprove those posts.

I have removed my post, but there are some people that quoted it so it's still on the board...

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Actually Jim Spellman does identify him as "Jim."

Here's the tweet from Spellman. @esgeep I know who he is and he denies it's him. We are not naming Jim buy I'm in regular contact with him

But in another thread, it's said Judge Pirino (or whatever her name is) during her four-minute segment on Fox News tonight identified him. I haven't seen it so can't vouch for it but sounds like others can.

Just a thought, the H is right beside the J on the KB, he mispelled "but" as "buy", (t & y are side by side) he may have misspelled "Him" with "Jim".

 

[Jaxson]

Actually Jim Spellman does identify him as "Jim."

Here's the tweet from Spellman. @esgeep I know who he is and he denies it's him. We are not naming Jim buy I'm in regular contact with him

But in another thread, it's said Judge Pirino (or whatever her name is) during her four-minute segment on Fox News tonight identified him. I haven't seen it so can't vouch for it but sounds like others can.

I think he may have meant HIM rather than JIM but at any rate
Here is the post I was referencing

jimspellmancnn jim spellman @ i've mentioned this before but i'm not going to discuss who NT IDed except to say it wasn't Tanko/Jersey

2 hours ago

 

[epiphany]

What???

IIRC, a few days ago, Spellman said he had spoken with the man MT had ID'd in the photo.

Is it possible that after MT gave the description [last one: salt and pepper hair] he then ID'd a photo of a man [to JS] who does not have s-n-p hair?

 

[Abby Normal]

My office building (which I share with my partner & a few other colleagues) was burglarized two years ago. When I arrived @ work one morning & went into my office, I immediately noticed that several drawers were opened. I chalked it up to "_____ must have opened the drawers & left in a hurry", but I still found it odd, since my partner never leaves drawers opened. Plus, there was just a weird vibe when I entered the room (before I even knew about the burglary). It wasn't until I spoke with another colleague that day that I learned someone had burglarized our building the night before & that was the reason for the opened drawers in my office.

The thing is: when things are not as they should be, one notices. If drawers were opened in the baby's room when they shouldn't have been, I think it would have been noticed. Besides which, I remember DB stating in one of the early interviews (when asked by a reporter if anything was out of place in Lisa's room - paraphrasing) that nothing was missing or out of place and it was as if "they" had just disappeared.

IIRC, DB's comments about "not checking" were regarding whether or not anything else was missing (i.e. valuable items a burglar might be interested in, is how I interpreted it).

I don't believe for a minute that the alleged *kidnapper* ransacked Baby Lisa's bureau & stole clothes, and then tossed those same clothes later that night in an area where the searchers conveniently found them earlier today.

bbm.

I agree it would be observable. Makes ya wonder. I know that she also hung some of Lisa's clothes, but probably not all. Who knows, I've pretty much thrown my arms up in the air waiting for more concrete information. Most comments I make are just "try and keep an open, objective mind" comments, not "here's why I don't think she did it" comments.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Sorry Jaxson, looks like we posted the same thing at the same time.

 

[Abby Normal]

I don't like to speak of personal things, but after reading the KC Star's article, I can no longer hold back something that's been cooking in my head about DB.

I raised a stepson from age 5.5 to 17. His bio-mother was a drunk/pot head. She was neglectful, emotionally abusive, and she expected this little boy to look after his 2yo brother. She blamed him one morning when she overslept and he was late for school. She also was and is a big fat liar. One day she borrowed my car to take him to school because it was snowing. When she got back she was drunk ('bout 9:30 in the morning), but told me this big story about being sidetracked by the principal of the school. I later found out her license was revoked. When my ss was 5.9, she moved away and told him she would "call tomorrow". Never did, but made a big show of attending his Kindergarten "graduation" 3 months later. :sick: Her whole family is so dysfunctional it blows my mind. And that is something, because I came from a screwed up family myself. And, ps, I'm not sure if my stepson is the bio child of my husband. This woman did claim that her live-in boyfriend (who had a vasectomy) was the father of her 2nd child.

I've thought of this all these years later following this case. Now that I read that article about DBs background it's even easier to draw some parallels. I learned that some people can fake being caring moms to outsiders when they really, really aren't. And that addicts are total liars and manipulators. And they will lie til the cows come home to cover their own behinds-to the point of making the people around them feel like they are crazy or suffering from dementia. I don't know that DB purposefully harmed Lisa (tho it is possible). But I think it's very possible she would lie endlessly to cover up, no matter.

IME and MOO

yeah, but her estranged MIL? Seems if anyone could see through the garbage it would be a (practically) ex-MIL. I love mine and I'm the best thing that ever happened to her son, and she still looks for reasons to hate me. :floorlaugh:

 

[Jaxson]

I realize how important this is but we have to table this until we some MSM link and/or video confirming. This could cause a LOT more confusion and that is the last thing this case needs.

Sorry guys. I am going to alert other mods to this thread so they can help open the discussion as soon as we have positive confirmation.

Sorry Beach I am just discussing Jim Spellmans tweets. I thought that was allowed. I am not naming anyone but Jim Spellman who is already named

 

[Jaxson]

Sorry Jaxson, looks like we posted the same thing at the same time.

That's okay Dewey2!

 

[beach]

Sorry Beach I am just discussing Jim Spellmans tweets. I thought that was allowed. I am not naming anyone but Jim Spellman who is already named

No problem. His tweets are fine.

Maybe I am tired and not interpreting them correctly but the ones I have read here do NOT positively confirm that motorcycle man has ID'd the man as the neighbor being alleged here by some.


I will always err on the side of protecting anyone's identity alleging something this serious unless I am positive. The tweets I am seeing does not say that he is identifying him as that person....in fact, what I see is that they are refusing to ID him. Yes, I can read between the lines, but this is a man's reputation we are talking about here. I really am not trying to be difficult. I want to be SURE. Not infer, kwim? That is all I am saying here.

I would just appreciate everyone tabling this until other mods can check and maybe they will see something I don't.

 

[Jaxson]

No problem. His tweets are fine.

Maybe I am tired and not interpreting them correctly but the ones I have read here do NOT positively confirm that motorcycle man has ID'd the man as the neighbor being alleged here by some.


I will always err on the side of protecting anyone's identity alleging something this serious unless I am positive. The tweets I am seeing does not say that he is identifying him as that person....in fact, what I see is that they are refusing to ID him. Yes, I can read between the lines, but this is a man's reputation we are talking about here. I really am not trying to be difficult. I want to be SURE. Not infer, kwim? That is all I am saying here.

I would just appreciate everyone tabling this until other mods can check and maybe they will see something I don't.

ITA the ones I have seen identify no one. That was my point. The person identified by motorcycleman has not been ID'd in MSM and so shouldn't be here.

 

[AngelWings444]

BBM With all due respect, we don't know if anyone climbed in the window, we just know according to JI it was tampered with. It could be that the intruder tried but failed at getting in the window, and then entered through the door. We just don't know really how they gained entrance, or exited.

We really don't know anything for sure, that was my point. In addition, my point is IF there was a kidnapper, they were very busy that night, in the home, and walking on the neighborhood streets. My post was stated as fact, it's obvious by my "moving the kids" comment.

It seems like the more information is not released, the more heated it becomes here. Not my intention. There isn't much right now, but I am hopeful. :seeya: