I think he could see basic information like when a text was sent or received but couldn't read the texts. Also basic info like when calls were sent and received (and probably duration of the calls and phone numbers). I'm sure they want info like what the texts said and also what tower the phone pinged off.
Found Deceased MT - Katelynn Berry, 26, last seen @ home, suspicious, Sidney, 21 Dec 2021 *Reward*
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"Carmell said Hank has access to Katelynn’s call logs since her phone is on his family plan. He wasn’t able to read any of Katelynn’s texts, but Carmell said he could see the call history. Carmell followed up with Dateline via email saying there were no outgoing calls after December 21.
She told Dateline they printed the call logs and provided them to the Richland County Sheriff’s Department, hoping that the department would follow up with the people their daughter spoke to last."
Family searching for 26-year-old daughter who disappeared 3 weeks ago in Sidney, Montana
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I must be really in tune with mother and daughter relationships lately. Yes, I know I am…. I cried listening to Katelyn’s mom. We need to stop and really enjoy our moments with our mamas and daughters. Life is so unpredictable. We just never know, do we?…Video to go with the article above ^. My heart goes out to her parents.
Yes, in the video I linked above, they mentioned medication for schizophrenia
Here's the link: Criminal investigation opened into disappearance of Grand Forks prosecutor’s daughter
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If a family member can access phone records online, they can see phone call activity, but most cannot see the emails, text messages, locations, photos, etc.
After the person has been missing several weeks and it meets the criteria of the cellphone provider, the family is given the records, whether they have access or not. To get a warrant, LE must be able to articulate why it is likely a crime occurred, and/or why the person is now involuntarily missing. Emails, banking will require another warrant.
The family and LE have actually seen Katelynn's phone, and presumably taken screenshots or downloaded data from the phone, before it was sent to the FBI. To me, it's been implied that so far, the only mystery is the text messages sent days after her father last saw her and if the phone left the apartment and then returned in between the father's visits. I don't think it's an established fact that he called her phone, while in the apartment, and he didn't hear it ring. Therefore it was not there, or not charged, but was later charged/returned and put on the sofa. I heard and read what the father said about his visits to the apartment and her phone. I don't think his recollection is proof of where the phone was or wasn't, especially since he may not have made a timeline from memory until after the 31st, when he was worried sick and stressed.
The FBI can MAYBE see if the phone traveled between the 21st and the time it was found and verify the known information. If some of the calls/texts involve burner phones, that will take more time to investigate.
As far as Katelynn's prescription, if the meds are in her apartment, comparing the number of pills remaining, to the date the prescription was filled, not foolproof of course, may indicate if she was on her meds.
So many victims of mental illness are estranged from their families, thru no fault of anyone. This family did everything they could to support Katelynn, to keep her safe, and yet give her some independence and privacy.
I have a (paranoid) brother who once disappeared/hid for several months. People asked me if I wasn't worried and why I wasn't out looking for him (where?). Families in my situation realize that we could get the dreaded phone call anytime, it's something we live with and we accept that we can't control the victims. To me, the possibility of a tragic outcome is similar to any death caused by an illness, neither the victim nor family should be subjected to blame, guilt or judgment.
After the person has been missing several weeks and it meets the criteria of the cellphone provider, the family is given the records, whether they have access or not. To get a warrant, LE must be able to articulate why it is likely a crime occurred, and/or why the person is now involuntarily missing. Emails, banking will require another warrant.
The family and LE have actually seen Katelynn's phone, and presumably taken screenshots or downloaded data from the phone, before it was sent to the FBI. To me, it's been implied that so far, the only mystery is the text messages sent days after her father last saw her and if the phone left the apartment and then returned in between the father's visits. I don't think it's an established fact that he called her phone, while in the apartment, and he didn't hear it ring. Therefore it was not there, or not charged, but was later charged/returned and put on the sofa. I heard and read what the father said about his visits to the apartment and her phone. I don't think his recollection is proof of where the phone was or wasn't, especially since he may not have made a timeline from memory until after the 31st, when he was worried sick and stressed.
The FBI can MAYBE see if the phone traveled between the 21st and the time it was found and verify the known information. If some of the calls/texts involve burner phones, that will take more time to investigate.
As far as Katelynn's prescription, if the meds are in her apartment, comparing the number of pills remaining, to the date the prescription was filled, not foolproof of course, may indicate if she was on her meds.
So many victims of mental illness are estranged from their families, thru no fault of anyone. This family did everything they could to support Katelynn, to keep her safe, and yet give her some independence and privacy.
I have a (paranoid) brother who once disappeared/hid for several months. People asked me if I wasn't worried and why I wasn't out looking for him (where?). Families in my situation realize that we could get the dreaded phone call anytime, it's something we live with and we accept that we can't control the victims. To me, the possibility of a tragic outcome is similar to any death caused by an illness, neither the victim nor family should be subjected to blame, guilt or judgment.
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No, we don't. Her father said she was taking medical marijuana for her mental health issues. Medical marijuana is prescribed by a doctor. I wonder if this referred to the prescription cannabis, which her father dropped off at her apartment. Medical marijuana is a prescription medication, but was she taking other pharmaceuticals for her illness?
As we know the MM was left in her apartment by her father, and was still there when police arrived. Therefore she did not take the MM, a prescription medication, with her.
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You make valid points, NSF. I think it would be easy to get dates and times mixed up due to the extreme stress caused by a missing adult child. The family obviously provided a lot of support, while trying to respect their daughter's independence. Some confusion is to be expected under the circumstances.
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In the news radio interview, the father says that the package was Katelynn's CBD. CBD is not the same as marijuana, and it contains little, if any THC. It doesn't require a prescription and can be sent in the mail and picked up by a relative. Was there an actual statement that Katelynn was using medical marijuana? I doubt that she would be on prescriptions for both schizophrenia and marijuana, with a doctor's knowledge.
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There is full spectrum CBD and CBD. What did Katelynn get, and was she registered?
Medical Marijuana in Montana - Marijuana Doctors.
Articles have also stated that she was a drug user.
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Several people have stated on this thread, mistakenly, I believe, that the father put medical marijuana on her porch. He never said that and I can't find any mention that she had a medical marijuana prescription. If you saw this information somewhere, I missed it and need a link.
Stating she was a drug user or maybe it was full spectrum CBD, with no documentation, isn't relevant to the inaccuracy of what was posted.
CBD, whether full spectrum or not, has a limit of .30% THC, but most CBD has very little to no THC. There is no comparison to marijuana, the average THC being 15 % for medical grade. No one familiar with CBD would call a CBD user, as is my 86 year old aunt, a drug user.
Stating she was a drug user or maybe it was full spectrum CBD, with no documentation, isn't relevant to the inaccuracy of what was posted.
CBD, whether full spectrum or not, has a limit of .30% THC, but most CBD has very little to no THC. There is no comparison to marijuana, the average THC being 15 % for medical grade. No one familiar with CBD would call a CBD user, as is my 86 year old aunt, a drug user.
I agree with you about the marijuana/medical marijuana. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere in print or in interviews.
Her father did say in an interview: ''Recently she has struggled with drug addiction'' but there has been no mention of what drug he's referring to.
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It's not relevant to my point, but the legal hemp-derived product is typically lower THC and higher CBD. The father does not indicate what drug(s) she was using but points out that her CBD was legal.
My point is CBD should not have morphed into the father put medical marijuana on her porch and she has a prescription, then reposted by others. After the fact, saying CBD may also have (a small amount of) THC, does not make the incorrect posts valid. If I accidentally post inaccurate information (we all make mistakes), if it's called to my attention, my reply would be "oops " and maybe an explanation.
My link:
https://www.inforum.com/news/father-of-missing-Katelynn mostly stayed at home, drawing and listening to music, but she had big dreams of opening a CBD shop in town, her father said. The legal hemp-derived product helped Katelynn cope with mental health issues that she has battled throughout her adult life, Hank said. Lately, Katelynn had also struggled with drug addiction, her father noted.
I'm confused by the replies to my original post. Are the posts inaccurate or not? Did the father say he put CBD on her porch or did he say medical marijuana?
My point is CBD should not have morphed into the father put medical marijuana on her porch and she has a prescription, then reposted by others. After the fact, saying CBD may also have (a small amount of) THC, does not make the incorrect posts valid. If I accidentally post inaccurate information (we all make mistakes), if it's called to my attention, my reply would be "oops " and maybe an explanation.
My link:
https://www.inforum.com/news/father-of-missing-Katelynn mostly stayed at home, drawing and listening to music, but she had big dreams of opening a CBD shop in town, her father said. The legal hemp-derived product helped Katelynn cope with mental health issues that she has battled throughout her adult life, Hank said. Lately, Katelynn had also struggled with drug addiction, her father noted.
Thank-you, Yes, I linked it.
I'm confused by the replies to my original post. Are the posts inaccurate or not? Did the father say he put CBD on her porch or did he say medical marijuana?
He sure as heck didn't say marijuana. I believe he said 'vape/vapes'.
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That was a different day. The father said he brought her "vape" and McDonald's on the last day he saw her. She smoked cigarettes, so maybe it was an e-cigarette or just the juice for a pen she already had. It's possible she vaped her CBD too.
It was a few days later that he put CBD on her porch.
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*Thank you. I’ve searched. Unless there is a statement in a video with no transcript - there is no article mentioning the word “Marijuana”and Katelynn together that I’m able to find. I believe this might clear up or have been the culprit causing confusion. Mr. Berry said she struggled with drug addiction in the same paragraph. It seems to me, this would have been the time to mention marijuana. I’m not saying Katelynn didn’t smoke pot. I’m saying the father didn’t say she did. Oftentimes, it is the “unsaid” that is so telling. So…
*What was her drug of choice?? If it was lately, who was in her inner circle lately? Another apartment resident? Are there community facilities there? Hanging out in her apartment all day? Alone? Surely she had a friend group. A confidante?
Katelynn mostly stayed at home, drawing and listening to music, but she had big dreams of opening a CBD shop in town, her father said. The legal hemp-derived product helped Katelynn cope with mental health issues that she has battled throughout her adult life, Hank said. Lately, Katelynn had also struggled with drug addiction, her father noted.
She had friends in town, Hank said, but she was unemployed and spent the majority of time in her apartment.
Hank, 64, remembers going to concerts with his daughter in North Dakota. At a KISS show in Grand Forks, Hank bought her a sweatshirt bearing the iconic band’s name. She was likely wearing it when she disappeared, he said.
Father of missing Sidney, Montana, woman hopeful for her return: 'I just want her home'
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The more I read, the confusion is growing. When there is a lull in a case, I always go back to ground zero. This is the time, a POI will likely involve themselves somehow in the case or might make statements that are later contradicted. Do we have a timeline to coincide with the texts, calls and statements?
According to deputies, Berry was last seen on December 21, 2021, at her home south of Sidney, Montana, which is about an hour from Williston.
Law enforcement found her cell phone at her home on December 29. She’s 5′ 4″ with a slender build, green eyes, and dark brown, shoulder-length hair. Mattison says Berry would visit a local gas station near her home if she ever needed something.
“She had asked me to pick her up a vape and some McDonalds, so after work on that Tuesday, I dropped that off and visited with her for a bit. And then the next day, I didn’t talk to her.” said Berry.
Search for GF Asst. State’s Attorney’s 26-year-old daughter continues in MT
*So…Was it Tuesday, Dec 21, that he spoke with her by phone or text? On that Tuesday, Dec 21, he took Katelynn McDonalds and a vape and visited with her. What was Katelyn wearing that Tuesday? He says she was likely wearing a KISS sweatshirt when she disappeared? He didn’t talk to her on Wednesday, Dec 22. How did Dec 29 come about?
According to deputies, Berry was last seen on December 21, 2021, at her home south of Sidney, Montana, which is about an hour from Williston.
Law enforcement found her cell phone at her home on December 29. She’s 5′ 4″ with a slender build, green eyes, and dark brown, shoulder-length hair. Mattison says Berry would visit a local gas station near her home if she ever needed something.
“She had asked me to pick her up a vape and some McDonalds, so after work on that Tuesday, I dropped that off and visited with her for a bit. And then the next day, I didn’t talk to her.” said Berry.
Search for GF Asst. State’s Attorney’s 26-year-old daughter continues in MT
*So…Was it Tuesday, Dec 21, that he spoke with her by phone or text? On that Tuesday, Dec 21, he took Katelynn McDonalds and a vape and visited with her. What was Katelyn wearing that Tuesday? He says she was likely wearing a KISS sweatshirt when she disappeared? He didn’t talk to her on Wednesday, Dec 22. How did Dec 29 come about?
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I am only referring to the father's spoken words, in the interview that took place outside his shop, which I linked, he did not mention drug addiction, that was in a printed article. I did not originally reference the printed article, that was in response to another reply/post. I'm referring only to words that he spoke at that time, describing how he left CBD on Katelynn's porch. Again, the posters stated that the father left a package on the porch, as he described in the spoken interview. Factual errors will occur, my pointing out the father was misquoted, it seems to me, doesn't warrant much discussion. I don't see any reason for further confusion or discussion, you either believe he said marijuana or you believe he said CBD.
I listened to the interview again and wrote down exactly what he said:
''On Thursday morning I threw a box of her CBD stuff up on the deck and texted her at 8:30 and said hey, I got your package on the deck''
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I didn't listen to the last six minutes of the video but this is what I noted:
Tues, Dec 21 - Katelynn's father took her lunch.
Wed, Dec 22 - Her father didn't see her.
Thu, Dec 23 - Shortly after midnight, there was an outgoing text on Katelynn's phone.
Thu, Dec 23 - Her father received an email that there was a package at the shop. He knew Katelynn was waiting for a CBD product, so he drove out there in the morning and tossed it up on her deck (approx 8:30 a.m.) because he figured she was probably sleeping.
Thu, Dec 23 - About 1 p.m, her father was at the apt to build some handrail on her deck and the package was still on the deck. When he knocked, there was no answer, so he punched in the code on the door and went in. He set the package on the couch and didn't think a whole lot about it, she just wasn't home.
Fri, Dec 24 - Katelynn's father was at the apt again to finish the handrail. He knocked again and went in and she still wasn't there. He says it wasn't alarming at this point because she does go places for a few days at a time.
Sat, Dec 25 - He went to Fairview to his sister's house for Christmas. He had been texting Katelynn all this time and had been asking her to go as well.
Sun, Dec 26 - He thinks he went out there and at this point he was starting to get more concerned because his texts were more like, "Are you okay?" and "Please let me know you're okay," and he wasn't getting any response.
Mon, Dec 27 - He talked to his sister and wondered "what if her phone's in the apt?" He went to the apt and called her phone and looked at all the plug in's - he did not hear the phone or see the phone so he assumed she had it.
Wed, Dec 29 - Katelynn's phone started going to voicemail, he knew her phone was dead, but he kept calling and texting hoping she would plug it in.
(I know there are other details but this is just to note what is in THIS video.)
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