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MattJ - I know this doesn’t need saying but I’m gonna say it anyway - keep us posted. Thank you.
130 Days Missing. That’s too long for Paul’s family.
There has been no more recent Montana news since the investigation into his disappearance was declared ‘cold.’ I check at least once a week and watch several local papers.
There was an unidentified body found in the Clark’s Fork of the Yellowstone River back in July. I know this is weird, but back when we were determine whether Paul had actually come through Montana (he did, entering on the interstate from the west) it occurred to me that during April the Clark Fork would have been starting to rage. He would have crossed it numerous times. One of my imaginary possible self-harm scenarios was that he left his car in Reed Point and backtracked west by hitchhiking then jumped off a bridge into a different river, the Clark Fork for example. Honestly it seemed a more likely river than the Yellowstone, given his path of travel.
Officials trying to ID body found in Clark Fork River | Local | missoulian.com
I don’t know if this person has been identified. There have been no updates from the Missoula Sheriff’s Department.
I guess it’s like my bear & bacon grease scenario, overly complicated. But the kind of thing I might have done if I wanted to leave some hope for my loved ones or really didn’t want to be found.
Loreet and MattJ - still no updates on the body found in the river. I did find MSM article about a 70-year-old man who went missing in that area when his boat capsized. Could it be this person?
Body of missing boater found in Clark Fork River
This is from June 2018. So is there another body found? I’m confused now.
This article is the one where I found the information that Paul entered Montana from the west. Though to be more precise now that I read it, we don’t actually know how far west, nor which road he entered the state on. The article mentions that he may have passed through Butte. That’s not much to go on. He may have traveled on I15 to Butte and not passed through Missoula nor crossed the Clark Fork after all. Sorry I made an assumption and presented it as fact. It is definitely worth noting that he did not travel the shortest distance between 2 points coming from Colorado though.Wait, he came in from the west? I thought he was in Colorado before he went to Bozeman, which would make his most likely route from the south or southeast.
This article is the one where I found the information that Paul entered Montana from the west. Though to be more precise now that I read it, we don’t actually know how far west, nor which road he entered the state on. The article mentions that he may have passed through Butte. That’s not much to go on. He may have traveled on I15 to Butte and not passed through Missoula nor crossed the Clark Fork after all. Sorry I made an assumption and presented it as fact. It is definitely worth noting that he did not travel the shortest distance between 2 points coming from Colorado though.
Search continues for missing Illinois man nearly two weeks after his car was found in Reed Point | Local | billingsgazette.com
Though most locals have a fair bit less information than we on websleuths do — unofficially. If I wasn’t a member on this board and just read the papers I would know nothing about Paul’s keys left behind, the interview on the same day as his scheduled return to work, his previous disappearance. These change things for me a great deal.I didn't learn anything interesting while I was in Bozeman. Locals mostly seem to believe he fell into the river by accident and will be found this fall while the water's low.
Oh, I missed that Paul went missing before! Can you tell me when and for how long? Good grief, I have been following this thread all along, how did I miss this?!?!?! Thanks!Though most locals have a fair bit less information than we on websleuths do — unofficially. If I wasn’t a member on this board and just read the papers I would know nothing about Paul’s keys left behind, the interview on the same day as his scheduled return to work, his previous disappearance. These change things for me a great deal.
Hey a question just occurred to me. I have been picturing the keys outside Paul’s car as his car keys alone, but I wonder if he also dropped his apartment/house keys, work and other keys? Probably ArcadeKris would know.
Though most locals have a fair bit less information than we on websleuths do — unofficially. If I wasn’t a member on this board and just read the papers I would know nothing about Paul’s keys left behind, the interview on the same day as his scheduled return to work, his previous disappearance. These change things for me a great deal.
Hey a question just occurred to me. I have been picturing the keys outside Paul’s car as his car keys alone, but I wonder if he also dropped his apartment/house keys, work and other keys? Probably ArcadeKris would know.
Oh, I missed that Paul went missing before! Can you tell me when and for how long? Good grief, I have been following this thread all along, how did I miss this?!?!?! Thanks!
Thank you. Without knowing why he disappeared for two weeks 20 years ago, I hesitate to think that he left for the same reason. Some people leave during family situations gone bad, break ups, and other things, and he might have needed time to sort things out.Check out post #583. I don’t want to quote it and get myself or the poster bumped from the thread or forum. So a previous disappearance falls into the ‘unverified rumor’ category and is clearly indicated as such. Myself, I’ve turned a 180 and am relying on information from people who know Paul and have been willing to post here to shape my thoughts.
The following article contradicts that information about a previous disappearance toward the end :
Missing Illinois man case open but cold
That's a good point.
I've been at that point in my life--so depressed and despairing that I really, deeply, logically thought that my family would be better off if I was out of the picture. I figured they wouldn't miss me, my troubles and issues, my tantrums, my failure to cope--I was pretty nearly non-functional in everyday life, a robot going through the motions, and it had reached the point where I could see it was damaging my kids. I don't think I would have killed myself, probably would have just walked, and become a homeless itinerant. My middlest called me back just by running to me with a big hug, but if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't be here now.
Thanks for being vulnerable enough to share this on the thread, carbuff. I think it goes a long way in helping others understand how this could occur. I really think that the "others would be better off without me/I'm a burden" thinking process some go to can't be overstated. It makes me wish everyone on the planet would watch "It's a Wonderful Life" daily, to combat this. Okay, *everyone* on the planet -- and *daily* -- is probably a bit much, lol. But I'm thinking that you guys know what I mean.
...And I'm so very glad you got that incredible hug, carbuff!!
I want you to know that this post has made me reach out to my husband. He is going through a lot this year and I feel like he is kind of a robot going through the motions some times. He had a call with some online therapist, but refuses to go to one in person. Last night, after I read your post, I told him how much I appreciate him walking our pup and how he's probably going to live at least 12 more years and counts on him for those walks. I could see his eyes light up for the first time since his dad died and he hugged our dog for a long time and promised him he'd be there for him. Everyone needs to feel loved and appreciated and have some kind of purpose for their future. I'm not a huggy person, but I'm going to do better at letting people know what their doing has value to others. Thanks for sharing your little middles gift to youThat's a good point.
I've been at that point in my life--so depressed and despairing that I really, deeply, logically thought that my family would be better off if I was out of the picture. I figured they wouldn't miss me, my troubles and issues, my tantrums, my failure to cope--I was pretty nearly non-functional in everyday life, a robot going through the motions, and it had reached the point where I could see it was damaging my kids. I don't think I would have killed myself, probably would have just walked, and become a homeless itinerant. My middlest called me back just by running to me with a big hug, but if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't be here now.