Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #11

[fran]

Not all sex assaults end with ejaculation or pubic hairs remaining on the victim....just sayin'

Now, wouldn't that be CONVENIENT!

 

[Just the Fax]

Now, wouldn't that be CONVENIENT!

Like I said, there is a huge reason Brad and his attorney want that autopsy released.

 

[fran]

Same could be said of the affidavits made on behalf of Nancy. Lawyers !

Thinking about this though, her dad is experienced in these types of cases, I'm fairly certain, seeing what his job was before. So he knows how this works. The deck was already stacked against the family getting custody, imo, so they NEEDED to play hardball.

IF Brad loved Nancy so much, he didn't NEED to reply in kind. He COULD have waited until the hearing. He thought it was more important that he get out anything derogatory about Nancy to EVERYONE rather than respecting her memory and pleading his case before no one, but the judge.

A tactical move, most likely encouraged by his lawyer. NOT the correct move though, IMO.

JMHO
fran

 

[raisincharlie]

I hope the cops noticed which way her shoes were tied.
Remember helping your young kids tie their shoes ?

If they were placed and tied after her death, the 'direction' of the knot may be important evidence...

I dunno about that, being left handed, I tie my own shoes different than the right handed members of my family.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Didn't the other idiot have help from an minor who acted as a co-conspirator?

It seems to me it would be very difficult to get another adult to conspire in this way to commit murder -- especially since it requires the cooperation of a third party, unwitting or not.

Respectfully,
RC

PS....Gosh! I hope he hasn't been studying recent high profile cases!
Planting 3rd party dna? good grief! waiting, waiting, waiting......:waitasec:
nahhh.......he wouldn't be THAT smart in criminal behavior! But another idiot was but it was DISCOVERED by LE......fran

PPS......Let's hope, IF it is him, he didn't study this other case!!!!

 

[Just the Fax]

I dunno about that, being left handed, I tie my own shoes different than the right handed members of my family.

But if both Nancy and Brad were right handed.....

One usually brings the loop over toward yourself, so the opposite pattern would exist if tieing from the opposite direction.

Being a runner and a spend thrift, she obviously had many pairs of shoes. I bet my closet has a pair or 2 with the laces tied, where I just 'pulled off' w/o unlacing

Obviously not a smoking gun, but interesting CE if true.

 

[CARYISHOME]

Those new homes started at $500,000 per the sign.
With their financial predicament, I doubt either one was looking at 'stepping up' to a more expensive home....but who knows ?

You really need to drive on Holly Springs and notice that established subdivision. I just think it would be odd for a 'man' to drive in there to 'look' at new homes being built.

Agree. It would be unusual for a man to ride through there looking at houses by himself.

 

[reddress58]

Those new homes started at $500,000 per the sign.
With their financial predicament, I doubt either one was looking at 'stepping up' to a more expensive home....but who knows ?

You really need to drive on Holly Springs and notice that established subdivision. I just think it would be odd for a 'man' to drive in there to 'look' at new homes being built.

Hi guys,

I'm new to this but have been reading for the past few days. I live one block from the Coopers and, as a runner, do the same route as NC. My close proximity and similar running habits obviously have made me sit up and think very deeply about this case.

I didn't know NC personally, but I HAVE seen her running; and because of her tall, slim figure, she definetely stands out. It's hard not to take a second glance. If she were running that Sat. morning, SOMEONE, I believe, would have noticed. Also, the place where she was found would NOT be a typical course to follow. As someone mentioned earlier, it would require one to get out on Holly Springs road from Cary Parkway for quite a distance before turning onto Fielding Dr. And, Holly Springs road is not condusive to running. It's quite busy regardless of time of day. Fielding Dr. leads to nowhere; and unless you live in the neighborhood and are a casual runner, there would be no reason to put it on a training route. (I, too, have trained for a 1/2 marathon)

Now here is some inside scoop: the Coopers were working with a builder the end of last year to build a house in a neighborhood off Hwy. 55 in WEST Cary...nowhere near Lochmere but much closer to BC's employment. The houses in this newer subdivision are well into the four, five, and six hundred thousand dollar range and higher. I am in RE and know the area well. From what I have gathered, they scraped the idea after returning from their December vacation up north apparently because they decided to separate, instead, at that time. So BC could afford a more expensive house and obviously wasn't as strapped as it looks. Maybe graduating soon from his MBA program was going to bring an increase in salary, therefore affording the newer digs.

 

[Just the Fax]

Agree. It would be unusual for a man to ride through there looking at houses by himself.

On second thought, he knew in April they were going to have to sell the house for the divorce. Maybe he was out scouting for a new place to live ?

The $500,000 + is what makes it odd though.

 

[Just the Fax]

Hi guys,

Now here is some inside scoop: the Coopers were working with a builder the end of last year to build a house in a neighborhood off Hwy. 55 in WEST Cary...nowhere near Lochmere but much closer to BC's employment. The houses in this newer subdivision are well into the four, five, and six hundred thousand dollar range and higher. I am in RE and know the area well. From what I have gathered, they scraped the idea after returning from their December vacation up north apparently because they decided to separate, instead, at that time. So BC could afford a more expensive house and obviously wasn't as strapped as it looks. Maybe graduating soon from his MBA program was going to bring an increase in salary, therefore affording the newer digs.

Welcome and please continue to post !

I doubt he could qualify for that size mortgage, considering $45k credit card debt, ect.
The MBA added to his certified Cisco designation would put his salary maybe at $110- $125K
That is not that much $ for a family of 4 with an relatively 'affluent' lifestyle when the spouse does not work.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi guys,

I'm new to this but have been reading for the past few days. I live one block from the Coopers and, as a runner, do the same route as NC. My close proximity and similar running habits obviously have made me sit up and think very deeply about this case.

I didn't know NC personally, but I HAVE seen her running; and because of her tall, slim figure, she definetely stands out. It's hard not to take a second glance. If she were running that Sat. morning, SOMEONE, I believe, would have noticed. Also, the place where she was found would NOT be a typical course to follow. As someone mentioned earlier, it would require one to get out on Holly Springs road from Cary Parkway for quite a distance before turning onto Fielding Dr. And, Holly Springs road is not condusive to running. It's quite busy regardless of time of day. Fielding Dr. leads to nowhere; and unless you live in the neighborhood and are a casual runner, there would be no reason to put it on a training route. (I, too, have trained for a 1/2 marathon)

Now here is some inside scoop: the Coopers were working with a builder the end of last year to build a house in a neighborhood off Hwy. 55 in WEST Cary...nowhere near Lochmere but much closer to BC's employment. The houses in this newer subdivision are well into the four, five, and six hundred thousand dollar range and higher. I am in RE and know the area well. From what I have gathered, they scraped the idea after returning from their December vacation up north apparently because they decided to separate, instead, at that time. So BC could afford a more expensive house and obviously wasn't as strapped as it looks. Maybe graduating soon from his MBA program was going to bring an increase in salary, therefore affording the newer digs.

Hi reddress58 !

Thanks for the information. It pretty well seems from your posts and others that Nancy's body had to have been transported to the location where she was found if she went jogging from home.

I'm a bit confused about this coffee shop - it has been said Nancy would go there and sometimes jog from there. I do not recall the name, perhaps you do - java - something. What routes are available from there if you know ?

 

[SleuthyGal]

WELCOME reddress58!

I really appreciate your joining in and also giving us your perspective as a runner.

I'm in Cary too, though closer to Bond Park.

Oh and I'm not a runner (not by a longshot)!

 

[reddress58]

Hi reddress58 !

Thanks for the information. It pretty well seems from your posts and others that Nancy's body had to have been transported to the location where she was found if she went jogging from home.

I'm a bit confused about this coffee shop - it has been said Nancy would go there and sometimes jog from there. I do not recall the name, perhaps you do - java - something. What routes are available from there if you know ?

Java Jive is at the OTHER end of Lochmere Drive from Holly Springs Rd. It is on the corner of Lochmere Dr. & Kildaire Farm Road. Although Kildaire Farm is busy, too; you can cross it and extend your run to the other side and continue along Lochmere Dr. There is also a path that runs along Kildaire Farm for quite a ways leading to another Lochmere section. This same path breaks off to the right, goes under a Kildaire Farm overpass and continues behind one neighoborhood and then into the woods of Ritter Park. The other end of this comes out into the Regency neighoborhood. This is the main runner's route that connects the two neighborhoods.

There was a rape along this path about 8 to 10 years ago of a woman runner. They caught the goon...she recognized him on TV from another rape in N. Raleigh. THAT would be the ONLY place I could think of where Nancy would be accousted while running. (well...not quite...there is an area around the Regency Lake that's pretty isolated, too.) Since the rape, I NEVER run through that section of the park alone. Thing is, the running path is quite a ways from any parking areas. The closest one I can think of is the parking lot at Ritter Park, but the perp would still have quite a ways to either carry her or make her walk to a car. When all this happened and before her body was found, I was hoping the search would go deeper and wider along this path. As soon as her body was discovered where it was, I was quite certain she wasn't running...there is no place convenient to get her to a car. We runners would be very leery of a car stopped in the road, so I cannot see her being accousted along the roadways.

Java Jive is a nice in between point of the Lochmere and Regency neighborhoods.

 

[Just the Fax]

There was a rape along this path about 8 to 10 years ago of a woman runner. They caught the goon...she recognized him on TV from another rape in N. Raleigh. THAT would be the ONLY place I could think of where Nancy would be accousted while running. (well...not quite...there is an area around the Regency Lake that's pretty isolated, too.) Since the rape, I NEVER run through that section of the park alone. Thing is, the running path is quite a ways from any parking areas. The closest one I can think of is the parking lot at Ritter Park, but the perp would still have quite a ways to either carry her or make her walk to a car. When all this happened and before her body was found, I was hoping the search would go deeper and wider along this path. As soon as her body was discovered where it was, I was quite certain she wasn't running...there is no place convenient to get her to a car. We runners would be very leery of a car stopped in the road, so I cannot see her being accousted along the roadways.

Java Jive is a nice in between point of the Lochmere and Regency neighborhoods.

I do vaguely recall that rape you described years ago.
As is typical of those attacks, the perpetrator leaps out from hiding and rapes his victim very near by. If he were to kill her after the attack, it is propostrous to think he would carry the body to a car and then dump it a couple of miles away.

 

[SleuthyGal]

One of the 'clues' I realized I hadn't given much thought to before is that Nancy's parents believe he did it. That much is obvious. Now usually the immediate family thinks 'oh he loved her so much no wayyyy' and then they learn from LE that their son-in-law is not quite who they thought he was. That happened in Laci's case, Lori Hacking's case and I'm sure in others.

So here we have Nancy's parents immediately cold toward BC and it's not, IMHO, because of the pending separation/divorce. They were told something that closed their hearts. I don't believe it's just a random thing where they are being mean and unfair. They truly believe BC did this crime.

And while that is NOT evidence in any way....it *is* a clue.

 

[Just the Fax]

Brad would have been much smarter to dump Nancy's body in a known running area if he wanted it to appear she was attacked while jogging.

He obviously chose the remote site instead cause he feared being spotted by a runner driving around one of the parks or trails.

I hope the residents of that subdivision all realize the cooper's had a silver BMW X5

 

[Just the Fax]

One of the 'clues' I realized I hadn't given much thought to before is that Nancy's parents believe he did it. That much is obvious. Now usually the immediate family thinks 'oh he loved her so much no wayyyy' and then they learn from LE that their son-in-law is not quite who they thought he was. That happened in Laci's case, Lori Hacking's case and I'm sure in others.

So here we have Nancy's parents immediately cold toward BC and it's not, IMHO, because of the pending separation/divorce. They were told something that closed their hearts. I don't believe it's just a random thing where they are being mean and unfair. They truly believe BC did this crime.

And while that is NOT evidence in any way....it *is* a clue.

When Michelle Young was killed, it was an immediate **clue** that jason was the killer when I learned of Linda Fisher's feelings toward him.

 

[reddress58]

I do vaguely recall that rape you described years ago.
As is typical of those attacks, the perpetrator leaps out from hiding and rapes his victim very near by. If he were to kill her after the attack, it is propostrous to think he would carry the body to a car and then dump it a couple of miles away.

Exactly! There is also a section at the far end of Regency Lake past the Amphitheatre that abutts to the parking area of a commercial building. (Regency Lake was on her typical route) Since it was Saturday morning, it could be possible to get her there and throw her into a car if no one was in the building to see. However, the perp would be taking a very long and indirect route to get her way over to Fielding Drive on the other side of Lochmere from that location. Just not reasonable. There is no direct route. The dump site would most likely be in the opposite direction. The park is the only direct connection of the two neighborhoods.

 

[SleuthyGal]

He obviously chose the remote site instead cause he feared being spotted by a runner driving around one of the parks or trails.

Yes exactly! The odds of Nancy jogging down that deserted new subdivision seems rather rare. And I don't know how a stranger/rapist/attacker would get this woman in broad daylight (at 7am), attack her, and then transport her to the dump site. A 5'9" woman is going to make some noise! And at 7am it's daylight already. How many attackers are awake at 7am, waiting for a victim to happen by?
In CARY, no less.

 

[raisincharlie]

I do vaguely recall that rape you described years ago.
As is typical of those attacks, the perpetrator leaps out from hiding and rapes his victim very near by. If he were to kill her after the attack, it is propostrous to think he would carry the body to a car and then dump it a couple of miles away.

It happens - think about Judith Nilan. Jogger abducted while running later found in a shed on a property belonging to a Sesame Street actor who had nothing to do with the abduction. He did transport her away from the abduction scene by car. It happens.