NC NC - Faith Hedgepeth, 19, UNC student, Chapel Hill, 7 Sept 2012 #1

[Woof357]

As I continued reading about this tragedy from various sources, it became apparent to me that the Chapel Hill Police investigation was flawed from the very beginning. Reading through the 118 page document release still available via the web (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1283962/hedgepeth-case-files.pdf), the investigators lead a disorganized campaign searching for evidence. The first 18 pages are requests to seal documents, and after that a chronology of warrants and investigative text related to search of Facebook profiles, the apartment, automobiles and then DNA collection via bucal swabs.

Some notes on the available information;

1. Page 43 contains a warrant to search the automobile of FH dated 9/11/2012. Page 51 describes the collection of DNA samples from the drivers side backseat area.
This seems to suggest that this car sat in the parking lot for 4 days before investigators searched it for evidence. There is no notation on whether or not he car was locked, what items were found inside etc. The description of DNA swabs from the backseat area is the only record of DNA acquisition from the crime scene in the entire document. Also, no indication as to why the drivers side backseat area was of interest. In other witness descriptions the car was seen with its gas cap open during this time period. This in itself seems out of the ordinary.

2. Page 62 and 74 contains search warrants for FH and KR laptops dated 10/24/2012. Almost two months after the murder. This seems incongruent with the idea that Facebook profiles were target with warrants on 9/11/2012. Almost certainly information on at least one of the laptops was changed/altered during this time period.

3. Page 53 contains the warrant to search the apartment on 9/7/2012, with an inventory of seized material added on page 60. Apparently additional items were gathered on 9/10/2012. If DNA was gathered there is no description of this process, though almost certainly it was or had already taken place.

4. Pages 91-117 describe requests for DNA swabs and some officer testimony into cases were initially these request were refused. This took place from 12/3/2012 to around 6/4/2013.

Some particular flaw that could be pointed out are he dates for the evidence collection from the car and apartment. These would suggest that they were open to contamination during the intervening time periods. The lack of a description for the DNA collection process in the apartment is another glaring omission. This process would be completed by specialists and should be well documented.

One anonymous source who lived in the apartments stated "was at the crime scene the entire day of Sept. 7 and also said the woods weren’t searched. She also noticed that Faith’s car remained in the parking lot with the gas tank open, not immediately searched or dusted for prints.The source noticed that officers didn’t search other apartments or go door-to-door to question neighbors. Police also didn’t bring police dogs to search the area".
https://synapse.atavist.com/sealings

The story in the above link also describe how vital time was lost when police returned to a lot near the Thrill nightclub to ask for video tapes, 19 months after the murder of FH.

On top of all this you have the apparent failure by the North Carolina State Medical Examiner to calculate an approximate time of death for KH. This is beyond puzzling. In a homicide investigation where there are no witnesses, the determination of time off death would be one of the initial, and primary variables used. What is the explanation for not performing this procedure in this case? The only official information available is from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation ( http://www.ncsbi.gov/Divisions/Legal/Unsolved-Crimes/Faith-Hedgepeth.aspx), on this page the time of death is listed as
"2:40 am - 11am" This of course, suggests many different scenarios than the ones resented by the various witnesses to the event.

Cold cases are particularly difficult for both police and the community. There is always the lingering anguish and fear of the unknown and lingering doubt. I was brought to this board because of a cold case from my own community that has never been solved, going on almost 40 years now. The brutal murder of a pretty, popular young student was a shock to the community and left deep scars on everyone. Even more tragic was the inability to find the killer and the apparent lack of police ability to follow up on leads and collect evidence. At a certain point you begin to wonder about it all and even the most bizarre scenarios eventually come to mind. Everyone becomes a suspect. And to make my point, this atmosphere creates deep suspicions of the police, their ability and their motives. And at a certain point in this case, you have to take a look, a critical look, at the investigation.

It is apparent that the outcome of the investigation into the death of FH is highly dependent on the DNA samples that were obtained. Based upon the description of the Chapel Hill police activities in collecting evidence, I would suggest that these samples have become compromised in some way. An outside, independent investigation should be performed to look at the data collection process, analysis procedures, and material inventory for this case. In addition, a review of the personnel involved, and any possible conflicts of interest should be conducted.

A final point in this post. The fact that there was no time of death calculation from the autopsy of FH should be considered professionally negligent. This is a real question that should be officially addressed by the medical examiner.

 

[Webthrush]

As I continued reading about this tragedy from various sources, it became apparent to me that the Chapel Hill Police investigation was flawed from the very beginning. Reading through the 118 page document release still available via the web (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1283962/hedgepeth-case-files.pdf), the investigators lead a disorganized campaign searching for evidence. The first 18 pages are requests to seal documents, and after that a chronology of warrants and investigative text related to search of Facebook profiles, the apartment, automobiles and then DNA collection via bucal swabs.

Some notes on the available information;

1. Page 43 contains a warrant to search the automobile of FH dated 9/11/2012. Page 51 describes the collection of DNA samples from the drivers side backseat area.
This seems to suggest that this car sat in the parking lot for 4 days before investigators searched it for evidence. There is no notation on whether or not he car was locked, what items were found inside etc. The description of DNA swabs from the backseat area is the only record of DNA acquisition from the crime scene in the entire document. Also, no indication as to why the drivers side backseat area was of interest. In other witness descriptions the car was seen with its gas cap open during this time period. This in itself seems out of the ordinary.

2. Page 62 and 74 contains search warrants for FH and KR laptops dated 10/24/2012. Almost two months after the murder. This seems incongruent with the idea that Facebook profiles were target with warrants on 9/11/2012. Almost certainly information on at least one of the laptops was changed/altered during this time period.

3. Page 53 contains the warrant to search the apartment on 9/7/2012, with an inventory of seized material added on page 60. Apparently additional items were gathered on 9/10/2012. If DNA was gathered there is no description of this process, though almost certainly it was or had already taken place.

4. Pages 91-117 describe requests for DNA swabs and some officer testimony into cases were initially these request were refused. This took place from 12/3/2012 to around 6/4/2013.

Some particular flaw that could be pointed out are he dates for the evidence collection from the car and apartment. These would suggest that they were open to contamination during the intervening time periods. The lack of a description for the DNA collection process in the apartment is another glaring omission. This process would be completed by specialists and should be well documented.

One anonymous source who lived in the apartments stated "was at the crime scene the entire day of Sept. 7 and also said the woods weren’t searched. She also noticed that Faith’s car remained in the parking lot with the gas tank open, not immediately searched or dusted for prints.The source noticed that officers didn’t search other apartments or go door-to-door to question neighbors. Police also didn’t bring police dogs to search the area".
https://synapse.atavist.com/sealings

The story in the above link also describe how vital time was lost when police returned to a lot near the Thrill nightclub to ask for video tapes, 19 months after the murder of FH.

On top of all this you have the apparent failure by the North Carolina State Medical Examiner to calculate an approximate time of death for KH. This is beyond puzzling. In a homicide investigation where there are no witnesses, the determination of time off death would be one of the initial, and primary variables used. What is the explanation for not performing this procedure in this case? The only official information available is from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation ( http://www.ncsbi.gov/Divisions/Legal/Unsolved-Crimes/Faith-Hedgepeth.aspx), on this page the time of death is listed as
"2:40 am - 11am" This of course, suggests many different scenarios than the ones resented by the various witnesses to the event.

Cold cases are particularly difficult for both police and the community. There is always the lingering anguish and fear of the unknown and lingering doubt. I was brought to this board because of a cold case from my own community that has never been solved, going on almost 40 years now. The brutal murder of a pretty, popular young student was a shock to the community and left deep scars on everyone. Even more tragic was the inability to find the killer and the apparent lack of police ability to follow up on leads and collect evidence. At a certain point you begin to wonder about it all and even the most bizarre scenarios eventually come to mind. Everyone becomes a suspect. And to make my point, this atmosphere creates deep suspicions of the police, their ability and their motives. And at a certain point in this case, you have to take a look, a critical look, at the investigation.

It is apparent that the outcome of the investigation into the death of FH is highly dependent on the DNA samples that were obtained. Based upon the description of the Chapel Hill police activities in collecting evidence, I would suggest that these samples have become compromised in some way. An outside, independent investigation should be performed to look at the data collection process, analysis procedures, and material inventory for this case. In addition, a review of the personnel involved, and any possible conflicts of interest should be conducted.

A final point in this post. The fact that there was no time of death calculation from the autopsy of FH should be considered professionally negligent. This is a real question that should be officially addressed by the medical examiner.

Agree with most all of this… though it’s always possible that some news-reporting was loose, imprecise, or confused and some police details left out. I’ll say again I think police thought they had an open/shut case in the first 48 hrs. — the evidence against Eric J. was so tremendous and persuasive (though circumstantial), they probably lapsed looking at other possibilities and details.

Moreover, police said early on that the public need not be alarmed, there was no serial killer on the loose, that this was a very personal singular crime — yeah, seemed so at the time, and may still turn out to be the case, but I think there are now plenty of other scenarios — I don’t even think the case that FH was the specifically-intended victim has been solidly made.

I have to believe LE has an estimated time of death (and that it puts Karena away from the crime scene), but no idea why it’s never been released publicly. Handling of information in this case just seems inexplicable, even understanding that LE often walks a fine line between compromising a case or biasing a potential jury, and giving the public enough information that they can help. As they have for the last many yrs. LE will come out soon around the anniversary date (as the press will force them to) and beg the public for help, and look rather inept.

Someone asked me earlier to post the autopsy report but when I tried to include it here as an attachment I got message that the file is too large; not sure what other means of transfer are possible?

 

[Simplestarz86]

As I continued reading about this tragedy from various sources, it became apparent to me that the Chapel Hill Police investigation was flawed from the very beginning. Reading through the 118 page document release still available via the web (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1283962/hedgepeth-case-files.pdf), the investigators lead a disorganized campaign searching for evidence. The first 18 pages are requests to seal documents, and after that a chronology of warrants and investigative text related to search of Facebook profiles, the apartment, automobiles and then DNA collection via bucal swabs.

Some notes on the available information;

1. Page 43 contains a warrant to search the automobile of FH dated 9/11/2012. Page 51 describes the collection of DNA samples from the drivers side backseat area.
This seems to suggest that this car sat in the parking lot for 4 days before investigators searched it for evidence. There is no notation on whether or not he car was locked, what items were found inside etc. The description of DNA swabs from the backseat area is the only record of DNA acquisition from the crime scene in the entire document. Also, no indication as to why the drivers side backseat area was of interest. In other witness descriptions the car was seen with its gas cap open during this time period. This in itself seems out of the ordinary.

2. Page 62 and 74 contains search warrants for FH and KR laptops dated 10/24/2012. Almost two months after the murder. This seems incongruent with the idea that Facebook profiles were target with warrants on 9/11/2012. Almost certainly information on at least one of the laptops was changed/altered during this time period.

3. Page 53 contains the warrant to search the apartment on 9/7/2012, with an inventory of seized material added on page 60. Apparently additional items were gathered on 9/10/2012. If DNA was gathered there is no description of this process, though almost certainly it was or had already taken place.

4. Pages 91-117 describe requests for DNA swabs and some officer testimony into cases were initially these request were refused. This took place from 12/3/2012 to around 6/4/2013.

Some particular flaw that could be pointed out are he dates for the evidence collection from the car and apartment. These would suggest that they were open to contamination during the intervening time periods. The lack of a description for the DNA collection process in the apartment is another glaring omission. This process would be completed by specialists and should be well documented.

One anonymous source who lived in the apartments stated "was at the crime scene the entire day of Sept. 7 and also said the woods weren’t searched. She also noticed that Faith’s car remained in the parking lot with the gas tank open, not immediately searched or dusted for prints.The source noticed that officers didn’t search other apartments or go door-to-door to question neighbors. Police also didn’t bring police dogs to search the area".
https://synapse.atavist.com/sealings

The story in the above link also describe how vital time was lost when police returned to a lot near the Thrill nightclub to ask for video tapes, 19 months after the murder of FH.

On top of all this you have the apparent failure by the North Carolina State Medical Examiner to calculate an approximate time of death for KH. This is beyond puzzling. In a homicide investigation where there are no witnesses, the determination of time off death would be one of the initial, and primary variables used. What is the explanation for not performing this procedure in this case? The only official information available is from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation ( http://www.ncsbi.gov/Divisions/Legal/Unsolved-Crimes/Faith-Hedgepeth.aspx), on this page the time of death is listed as
"2:40 am - 11am" This of course, suggests many different scenarios than the ones resented by the various witnesses to the event.

Cold cases are particularly difficult for both police and the community. There is always the lingering anguish and fear of the unknown and lingering doubt. I was brought to this board because of a cold case from my own community that has never been solved, going on almost 40 years now. The brutal murder of a pretty, popular young student was a shock to the community and left deep scars on everyone. Even more tragic was the inability to find the killer and the apparent lack of police ability to follow up on leads and collect evidence. At a certain point you begin to wonder about it all and even the most bizarre scenarios eventually come to mind. Everyone becomes a suspect. And to make my point, this atmosphere creates deep suspicions of the police, their ability and their motives. And at a certain point in this case, you have to take a look, a critical look, at the investigation.

It is apparent that the outcome of the investigation into the death of FH is highly dependent on the DNA samples that were obtained. Based upon the description of the Chapel Hill police activities in collecting evidence, I would suggest that these samples have become compromised in some way. An outside, independent investigation should be performed to look at the data collection process, analysis procedures, and material inventory for this case. In addition, a review of the personnel involved, and any possible conflicts of interest should be conducted.

A final point in this post. The fact that there was no time of death calculation from the autopsy of FH should be considered professionally negligent. This is a real question that should be officially addressed by the medical examiner.

100% agree.

1. The gas tank being opened has bothered me. I had the same vehicle at one time and the was a lever on the left drive side. One thought I had is maybe Faith or someone else meant to move the seat to recline or back up and did the gas tank release first and didn't notice.

3. I also was a bit concerned because an officer had to ask ETJ to leave, he was up near the crime tape, because KR needed to return to the apartment to get something. I have wondered if she was escorted back in or was allowed to go back in one her own. Also, IMO I doubt LE stayed outside the apartment to make sure no one, unauthorized, entered back into the crime scene after Faith's body was removed.


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[WebWoman]

As I continued reading about this tragedy from various sources, it became apparent to me that the Chapel Hill Police investigation was flawed from the very beginning. Reading through the 118 page document release still available via the web (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1283962/hedgepeth-case-files.pdf), the investigators lead a disorganized campaign searching for evidence. The first 18 pages are requests to seal documents, and after that a chronology of warrants and investigative text related to search of Facebook profiles, the apartment, automobiles and then DNA collection via bucal swabs.

Some notes on the available information;

1. Page 43 contains a warrant to search the automobile of FH dated 9/11/2012. Page 51 describes the collection of DNA samples from the drivers side backseat area.
This seems to suggest that this car sat in the parking lot for 4 days before investigators searched it for evidence. There is no notation on whether or not he car was locked, what items were found inside etc. The description of DNA swabs from the backseat area is the only record of DNA acquisition from the crime scene in the entire document. Also, no indication as to why the drivers side backseat area was of interest. In other witness descriptions the car was seen with its gas cap open during this time period. This in itself seems out of the ordinary.

2. Page 62 and 74 contains search warrants for FH and KR laptops dated 10/24/2012. Almost two months after the murder. This seems incongruent with the idea that Facebook profiles were target with warrants on 9/11/2012. Almost certainly information on at least one of the laptops was changed/altered during this time period.

3. Page 53 contains the warrant to search the apartment on 9/7/2012, with an inventory of seized material added on page 60. Apparently additional items were gathered on 9/10/2012. If DNA was gathered there is no description of this process, though almost certainly it was or had already taken place.

4. Pages 91-117 describe requests for DNA swabs and some officer testimony into cases were initially these request were refused. This took place from 12/3/2012 to around 6/4/2013.

Some particular flaw that could be pointed out are he dates for the evidence collection from the car and apartment. These would suggest that they were open to contamination during the intervening time periods. The lack of a description for the DNA collection process in the apartment is another glaring omission. This process would be completed by specialists and should be well documented.

One anonymous source who lived in the apartments stated "was at the crime scene the entire day of Sept. 7 and also said the woods weren’t searched. She also noticed that Faith’s car remained in the parking lot with the gas tank open, not immediately searched or dusted for prints.The source noticed that officers didn’t search other apartments or go door-to-door to question neighbors. Police also didn’t bring police dogs to search the area".
https://synapse.atavist.com/sealings

The story in the above link also describe how vital time was lost when police returned to a lot near the Thrill nightclub to ask for video tapes, 19 months after the murder of FH.

On top of all this you have the apparent failure by the North Carolina State Medical Examiner to calculate an approximate time of death for KH. This is beyond puzzling. In a homicide investigation where there are no witnesses, the determination of time off death would be one of the initial, and primary variables used. What is the explanation for not performing this procedure in this case? The only official information available is from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation ( http://www.ncsbi.gov/Divisions/Legal/Unsolved-Crimes/Faith-Hedgepeth.aspx), on this page the time of death is listed as
"2:40 am - 11am" This of course, suggests many different scenarios than the ones resented by the various witnesses to the event.

Cold cases are particularly difficult for both police and the community. There is always the lingering anguish and fear of the unknown and lingering doubt. I was brought to this board because of a cold case from my own community that has never been solved, going on almost 40 years now. The brutal murder of a pretty, popular young student was a shock to the community and left deep scars on everyone. Even more tragic was the inability to find the killer and the apparent lack of police ability to follow up on leads and collect evidence. At a certain point you begin to wonder about it all and even the most bizarre scenarios eventually come to mind. Everyone becomes a suspect. And to make my point, this atmosphere creates deep suspicions of the police, their ability and their motives. And at a certain point in this case, you have to take a look, a critical look, at the investigation.

It is apparent that the outcome of the investigation into the death of FH is highly dependent on the DNA samples that were obtained. Based upon the description of the Chapel Hill police activities in collecting evidence, I would suggest that these samples have become compromised in some way. An outside, independent investigation should be performed to look at the data collection process, analysis procedures, and material inventory for this case. In addition, a review of the personnel involved, and any possible conflicts of interest should be conducted.

A final point in this post. The fact that there was no time of death calculation from the autopsy of FH should be considered professionally negligent. This is a real question that should be officially addressed by the medical examiner.

Are you sure the search warrant from 9/11 where swabs of DNA were taken from the back seat of driver were from Faith's car? If it's referring to the white 1997 Honda Accord which I read was the car from which swabs were taken on 9/11 it is registered to Ronnie Edwards who I assume is Brandin Edward's father and therefore Brandon's car.

The search warrant which I will attempt to attach to this post stated they are allowed to take hand prints footprints and a large list of items yet only some swabs of DNA are taken, no hair follicles, prints or anything else.

The items taken from Eriq aren't much better, very general like "clothes" "papers", also attached. No bodily fluids collected. What about having him give them the clothes he was wearing that day/night or checking the washing machine he washed his clothes in to look for blood.

 

[Simplestarz86]

Are you sure the search warrant from 9/11 where swabs of DNA were taken from the back seat of driver were from Faith's car? If it's referring to the white 1997 Honda Accord which I read was the car from which swabs were taken on 9/11 it is registered to Ronnie Edwards who I assume is Brandin Edward's father and therefore Brandon's car.

The search warrant which I will attempt to attach to this post stated they are allowed to take hand prints footprints and a large list of items yet only some swabs of DNA are taken, no hair follicles, prints or anything else.

The items taken from Eriq aren't much better, very general like "clothes" "papers", also attached. No bodily fluids collected. What about having him give them the clothes he was wearing that day/night or checking the washing machine he washed his clothes in to look for blood.

I believe you are correct. The two swabs taken from the car, were taken from the white Honda Accord that is referred to in the above attachments. To my knowledge nothing has been released in the form of documentation on the searching of Faith's car. I know in the poster you are referring to an anonymous neighbor said Faith's car sat there for a few days before being taken.


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[Webthrush]

Tom Gasparoli out with a new post and podcast as the 5-year anniversary of this crime approaches:
http://www.gaspowrites.com/2017/07/5-years-approaches.html

Mostly review, nothing much new, but does mention that there will likely be at least some new media reporting on Faith’s case in future.

 

[WebWoman]

According to this report the girls locked their apartment door behind them when they went to the nightclub that night: https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews....ments-police-happened-faith/story?id=42281581

So again it doesn't make sense that later Rosario leaves the apartment while Faith is supposedly sleeping with the door unlocked unless she let Eriq know he could get access to do what he had been threatening to do which was to kill Faith, if she was still alive at that time which I don't believe to be the case.

Also does anyone know of any rivers nearby? I ask due to the "butt dial" voicemail having talk about a river. Could they have gone to wash up the blood on them at a river? Also was the clothes Rosario had worn to thrill investigated for blood? Also the article above quotes the lieutenant stating it was likely she was raped which to me means there was no actual proof of it other than finding some semen in her which could have been from a random sexual encounter prior to the murder. I hope the semen isn't the only DNA they're using to let all the suspects off since I don't think it's the murderer's.

 

[Woof357]

Are you sure the search warrant from 9/11 where swabs of DNA were taken from the back seat of driver were from Faith's car? If it's referring to the white 1997 Honda Accord which I read was the car from which swabs were taken on 9/11 it is registered to Ronnie Edwards who I assume is Brandin Edward's father and therefore Brandon's car..

Yes, I am unable to my original post but the point is still clear. Evidence was not collected in an organized fashion.

Corrected text below.

1. Page 43 contains a warrant to search the automobile of BE dated 9/11/2012. Page 51 describes the collection of DNA samples from the drivers side backseat area. No indication as to why this particular area of the car was targeted. Seems more logical to swab front seat passenger or all of seat areas and perhaps the trunk as well. And 4 days had passed since the event had occurred. Seems logical that someone would clean the car out if they were intent on hiding something. Plenty of time there to accomplish that.


As for FH automobile, it was seen sitting in the parking lot for several days by a witness apparently unattended. There is no notation on whether or not the car was locked, if it was searched and items were found inside etc. No indication that a warrant was obtained or if DNA samples were taken from the car (another logical step in my mind) In the witness descriptions the car was seen with its gas cap open during this time period. This in itself seems out of the ordinary.

 

[WebWoman]

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding from reading both articles and search warrants this weekend is that the only DNA sample taken from the actual crime scene is semen from Faith when they don't even know for sure if she was raped so it could have been from a consensual encounter prior to the murder and the investigation's only focus has been to match someone from that semen. Has there been blood, hair and clothing follicles, fingerprints or anything else taken?

 

[CADwrest]

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding from reading both articles and search warrants this weekend is that the only DNA sample taken from the actual crime scene is semen from Faith when they don't even know for sure if she was raped so it could have been from a consensual encounter prior to the murder and the investigation's only focus has been to match someone from that semen. Has there been blood, hair and clothing follicles, fingerprints or anything else taken?

The article you linked at #729 mentions that the DNA from the pen matched that of the semen. Other articles have previously indicated the Time-out bag did, as well. Both of those objects were inside the apartment, and the bag at least was on the bed with her.

 

[WebWoman]

Anyone else see a resemblance between the DNA sketch of the Latino murder suspect (upper left) and this person? Has he been tested? I thought his sister, Karena's friend who discovered Faith's body with her, looked like the composite image then low and behold I see she has a Latin brother who looks just like him.

 

[Skigirl]

Hey everyone,
If your'e like me, you're having trouble remembering everything -- sources, facts, cast of characters. Is anyone interested in working with me to gather all of the information into one place? We might even be able to get it pinned to the beginning of this thread and any subsequent ones so that we can go back and easily reference information each time someone like me forgets and is all, "I don't think we have a photo of the whole bag," which it turns out, embarrassingly, I had posted last month. We did that on one thread that I worked on and it was really helpful. We started with the timeline and put links to the sources for everything in it.
I don't have time to start it right now, but I was thinking of starting it later this evening.
-Skigirl

 

[CADwrest]

Hey everyone,
If your'e like me, you're having trouble remembering everything -- sources, facts, cast of characters. Is anyone interested in working with me to gather all of the information into one place? We might even be able to get it pinned to the beginning of this thread and any subsequent ones so that we can go back and easily reference information each time someone like me forgets and is all, "I don't think we have a photo of the whole bag," which it turns out, embarrassingly, I had posted last month. We did that on one thread that I worked on and it was really helpful. We started with the timeline and put links to the sources for everything in it.
I don't have time to start it right now, but I was thinking of starting it later this evening.
-Skigirl

I'll help.

 

[Simplestarz86]

Hey everyone,
If your'e like me, you're having trouble remembering everything -- sources, facts, cast of characters. Is anyone interested in working with me to gather all of the information into one place? We might even be able to get it pinned to the beginning of this thread and any subsequent ones so that we can go back and easily reference information each time someone like me forgets and is all, "I don't think we have a photo of the whole bag," which it turns out, embarrassingly, I had posted last month. We did that on one thread that I worked on and it was really helpful. We started with the timeline and put links to the sources for everything in it.
I don't have time to start it right now, but I was thinking of starting it later this evening.
-Skigirl

Yes!!! I'd love to do that!!!


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[Whiskers16]

Hey everyone,
If your'e like me, you're having trouble remembering everything -- sources, facts, cast of characters. Is anyone interested in working with me to gather all of the information into one place? We might even be able to get it pinned to the beginning of this thread and any subsequent ones so that we can go back and easily reference information each time someone like me forgets and is all, "I don't think we have a photo of the whole bag," which it turns out, embarrassingly, I had posted last month. We did that on one thread that I worked on and it was really helpful. We started with the timeline and put links to the sources for everything in it.
I don't have time to start it right now, but I was thinking of starting it later this evening.
-Skigirl

me four but my availability to compile info will be mainly on weekends. i have a spreadsheet i started when going through the released documents where i was going to link up all my sources with the info i had gathered but I didn't get too far yet.

 

[Skigirl]

Great - I may not have time to start until this weekend either. I will probably start at the beginning of the day before her death and move forward in chronology. The Thrill and after are the most complicated regarding who was where when.


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[J.M. Bee]

Great post, Woof. I have always wondered why no one ever mentioned an estimated time of death.

 

[J.M. Bee]

OK, so I just listened to Tom Gasparoli's short podcast and quite liked it, in part simply because it was nice to hear a thoughtful, intelligent person talk about this case, which really does need to be solved. While he avoids stating his own opinions, it's fairly clear that he believes Faith's killer was known to her and not a stranger. I completely agree with him on this, as the probability of a stranger somehow entering that apartment between 4:30am & 10am is slim to none. The question then is why has none of the DNA or fingerprint evidence led to the killer. Right? This seems to be one of the central problems in this case: if the crime was committed by someone known to Faith, why has the forensic evidence --- the blood beneath her fingernails, the semen, fingerprints on the bottle, etc. --- not led police to the killer? They've run all of this against everyone known to her, right? Well, maybe not.

While we know the police ran the forensics against many if not all of the males known to Faith with either opportunity or motive, we don't know if they've run the forensics against Karena Rosario. After all, I'm pretty sure Rosario has never been a suspect, was never fingerprinted and never had blood taken from her. (Please correct me on this point if you think I have this wrong.) Thus, isn't there a chance that the reason that none of the forensic evidence is leading to the killer is because the police are looking in the wrong place, i.e., at the males known to Faith and not at Karena Rosario?

The assumption held by many that the killer in this case was male is a bad one, IMO, for a number of reasons. One, unless I've missed something, the police have never said that Faith showed signs of sexual assault or rape. If she showed such signs, I see no reason why they wouldn't have said this. If she didn't show such signs, then the sex was likely consensual, the semen was from a friend of hers and this friend of hers was in all likelihood not her killer. Two, haven't all of the males who knew Faith and who had opportunity or motive been tested against the forensics? I believe they have.

This leads me back to Karena Rosario, whom I like as a suspect for a number of reasons (as I have explained previously): one, she was the last person to see Faith alive and the probability of someone else entering that apartment between 4:30am and 10:00am is very slight; two, her story that she left the door unlocked doesn't make sense and is suspicious; three, she had reason to be jealous of Faith and could have killed Faith in a fit of jealousy; four, there are many unusual things about her 911 call.

Anyways, I'm glad Gaspo is doing some podcasts about this case, and I am glad the case is going to get some renewed media coverage. This case needs to be solved. Faith Hedgepeth was clearly a beautiful human being, and she deserves justice.

 

[CADwrest]

OK, so I just listened to Tom Gasparoli's short podcast and quite liked it, in part simply because it was nice to hear a thoughtful, intelligent person talk about this case, which really does need to be solved. While he avoids stating his own opinions, it's fairly clear that he believes Faith's killer was known to her and not a stranger. I completely agree with him on this, as the probability of a stranger somehow entering that apartment between 4:30am & 10am is slim to none. The question then is why has none of the DNA or fingerprint evidence led to the killer. Right? This seems to be one of the central problems in this case: if the crime was committed by someone known to Faith, why has the forensic evidence --- the blood beneath her fingernails, the semen, fingerprints on the bottle, etc. --- not led police to the killer? They've run all of this against everyone known to her, right? Well, maybe not.

While we know the police ran the forensics against many if not all of the males known to Faith with either opportunity or motive, we don't know if they've run the forensics against Karena Rosario. After all, I'm pretty sure Rosario has never been a suspect, was never fingerprinted and never had blood taken from her. (Please correct me on this point if you think I have this wrong.) Thus, isn't there a chance that the reason that none of the forensic evidence is leading to the killer is because the police are looking in the wrong place, i.e., at the males known to Faith and not at Karena Rosario?

The assumption held by many that the killer in this case was male is a bad one, IMO, for a number of reasons. One, unless I've missed something, the police have never said that Faith showed signs of sexual assault or rape. If she showed such signs, I see no reason why they wouldn't have said this. If she didn't show such signs, then the sex was likely consensual, the semen was from a friend of hers and this friend of hers was in all likelihood not her killer. Two, haven't all of the males who knew Faith and who had opportunity or motive been tested against the forensics? I believe they have.

This leads me back to Karena Rosario, whom I like as a suspect for a number of reasons (as I have explained previously): one, she was the last person to see Faith alive and the probability of someone else entering that apartment between 4:30am and 10:00am is very slight; two, her story that she left the door unlocked doesn't make sense and is suspicious; three, she had reason to be jealous of Faith and could have killed Faith in a fit of jealousy; four, there are many unusual things about her 911 call.

Anyways, I'm glad Gaspo is doing some podcasts about this case, and I am glad the case is going to get some renewed media coverage. This case needs to be solved. Faith Hedgepeth was clearly a beautiful human being, and she deserves justice.

There have been different things said about this. Some of the earlier articles (when the police first released the information) said outright that she had been raped; I think the last actual LE statement on the subject was “in all likelihood” she was raped. What can we infer from that? Well,they’ve also said there were no signs of a struggle, so that probably means Faith didn’t have the sort of defensive wounds expected from a woman who was violently resisting intercourse. That, of course, doesn’t mean that the intercourse was consensual, only that Faith did not strenuously resist physically. But it does leave open the possibility that she did have consensual sex with this male, and that afterwards he killed her for some other reason.
But, yes, the male she had intercourse with is the person who killed her. The contact DNA on the Bacardi bottle, on the note, and on the pen all matched the seminal DNA found on her.
As to Karena Rosario, LE has talked to her extensively. They’ve almost certainly fingerprinted and swabbed her, if for no other reason than that her DNA/fingerprints were all over that bedroom (on account that it was hers), and they would need a sample from her to exclude her so they could recognize foreign material from someone who didn’t live there. She’s not some investigative blind spot that they just haven’t seriously looked into.

 

[Simplestarz86]

OK, so I just listened to Tom Gasparoli's short podcast and quite liked it, in part simply because it was nice to hear a thoughtful, intelligent person talk about this case, which really does need to be solved. While he avoids stating his own opinions, it's fairly clear that he believes Faith's killer was known to her and not a stranger. I completely agree with him on this, as the probability of a stranger somehow entering that apartment between 4:30am & 10am is slim to none. The question then is why has none of the DNA or fingerprint evidence led to the killer. Right? This seems to be one of the central problems in this case: if the crime was committed by someone known to Faith, why has the forensic evidence --- the blood beneath her fingernails, the semen, fingerprints on the bottle, etc. --- not led police to the killer? They've run all of this against everyone known to her, right? Well, maybe not.

While we know the police ran the forensics against many if not all of the males known to Faith with either opportunity or motive, we don't know if they've run the forensics against Karena Rosario. After all, I'm pretty sure Rosario has never been a suspect, was never fingerprinted and never had blood taken from her. (Please correct me on this point if you think I have this wrong.) Thus, isn't there a chance that the reason that none of the forensic evidence is leading to the killer is because the police are looking in the wrong place, i.e., at the males known to Faith and not at Karena Rosario?

The assumption held by many that the killer in this case was male is a bad one, IMO, for a number of reasons. One, unless I've missed something, the police have never said that Faith showed signs of sexual assault or rape. If she showed such signs, I see no reason why they wouldn't have said this. If she didn't show such signs, then the sex was likely consensual, the semen was from a friend of hers and this friend of hers was in all likelihood not her killer. Two, haven't all of the males who knew Faith and who had opportunity or motive been tested against the forensics? I believe they have.

This leads me back to Karena Rosario, whom I like as a suspect for a number of reasons (as I have explained previously): one, she was the last person to see Faith alive and the probability of someone else entering that apartment between 4:30am and 10:00am is very slight; two, her story that she left the door unlocked doesn't make sense and is suspicious; three, she had reason to be jealous of Faith and could have killed Faith in a fit of jealousy; four, there are many unusual things about her 911 call.

Anyways, I'm glad Gaspo is doing some podcasts about this case, and I am glad the case is going to get some renewed media coverage. This case needs to be solved. Faith Hedgepeth was clearly a beautiful human being, and she deserves justice.

I agree with a lot you have stated. Due to TOS i have been unable to freely state my thoughts and theories. I do want to ask, I think it has been thrown out there before, if it could have been mistaken identity as to why it was Faith who was murdered. Which IMO, would be reason to take DNA to known males around KR too and not just those known by Faith. Not sure if this will come across as I want it to or not, forgive me I am a week away from my. Third trimester in pregnancy and getting eloquent thoughts down has been quite a challenge...as well as typing and doing anything with grace anymore-OT sorry. I'll continue with my thoughts now. When I put on my cap for the mistaken identity I cannot help but be reminded of a few pictures posted on SM early on before they were deleted or set to private where KR and Faith were dressed almost identical. I also noticed on 20/20 both KR and MR at one point both had on very similar black and white striped shirts. Footage from the thrill shows both KR and Faith wearing clothes very similar to another. That raised another question in my mind...did LE pr CSI obtain the correct clothes that Faith had been wearing the night the girls went to Thrill? Side note, I think it has been stated KR has a twin sister. I don't know the psychology of being a twin or if that is the correct word to use but I wonder if there was some identity related issues going on with her. Maybe being in a different state than her twin she grasped onto other friends to take that place which to me could lead to jealousy of Faith. I hope what I am trying to convey came across as I wanted it to. Also if I am out of line in TOS I understand if this post disappears. Just some random thoughts. As always JMO. Justice for Faith.


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