NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

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Jax49 said:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article103815426.html
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Looks like the gun is between the feet of the LEO in the red shirt and vest.

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[h=1]Former FBI agent breaks down cell phone video of Keith Scott shooting[/h]
 
Tawny said:
Probably not, because every single example can be met with excuses, tbh. That's my entire point. Excuses are made for why white men who murder dozens are alive, and justification is made for why police ambush tackled a black man for selling cigarettes, etc. Every example I try to provide, there will be excuses.

Again, JMO. IME.
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im not sure why you would say that. is this something you feel i have done to you before?

would you like some proof that you are wrong?

go look up the Philip Seidle case. my opinion on that? he should have been shot almost immediately at the first possible moment it would not endanger anyone else. multiple police officers should be facing charges for their handling of the situation. it is entirely possible the woman is dead because of their inaction. why didnt they shoot him? the only reason i find believable is because they knew him and he was a fellow officer. would they have shot literally anyone else in that situation? absolutely.
 
Tawny said:
Probably not, because every single example can be met with excuses, tbh. That's my entire point. Excuses are made for why white men who murder dozens are alive, and justification is made for why police ambush tackled a black man for selling cigarettes, etc. Every example I try to provide, there will be excuses.

Again, JMO. IME.
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What's your excuse for John Allen Muhammad then? He was black. He killed lots of people. He was apprehended alive and granted due process, a fair trial etc.

I'm not sure what you're implying here but if someone surrenders, they shouldn't be treated like a threat and just executed on the spot because they did horrific things. Conversely, if you don't comply with police, regardless of the situation, they aren't gonna treat you with kid gloves.

Ultimately, people like John Muhammad and James Holmes are monsters, but they deserve a fair and civil process to determine their punishment, whether it's life in prison or the death penalty.
 
drjones said:
im not sure why you would say that. is this something you feel i have done to you before?

would you like some proof that you are wrong?

go look up the Philip Seidle case. my opinion on that? he should have been shot almost immediately at the first possible moment it would not endanger anyone else. multiple police officers should be facing charges for their handling of the situation. it is entirely possible the woman is dead because of their inaction. why didnt they shoot him? the only reason i find believable is because they knew him and he was a fellow officer. would they have shot literally anyone else in that situation? absolutely.
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Another perfect example. He's alive.
 
Caffeine said:
What's your excuse for John Allen Muhammad then? He was black. He killed lots of people. He was apprehended alive and granted due process, a fair trial etc.

I'm not sure what you're implying here but if someone surrenders, they shouldn't be treated like a threat and just executed on the spot because they did horrific things. Conversely, if you don't comply with police, regardless of the situation, they aren't gonna treat you with kid gloves.

Ultimately, people like John Muhammad and James Holmes are monsters, but they deserve a fair and civil process to determine their punishment, whether it's life in prison or the death penalty.
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This is going precisely where I suspected it would go. Where it always goes because arguing every single solitary case is easier than admitting what the real problem is. I'll bow out now. JMO. Later.
 
human said:
Do you have a link for all of these activist groups that provide free attorneys?
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I certainly did not intend to insult anyone. I was just reviewing the infomration . Respectfully, the notion that a public defender and a $375 an hour defense attorney results in in the same outcome, is certainly not the way our system wroks.

The cival rights movement was for a reason, THe womans rights movement was for a reason. The gay rights was for a reason, IMO

I am old , I wont be here but IMo for those of you who have like teengers, there are huge problems coming from society continuing to pretend there is not a huge issue here.

I was not months ago on YOu Tube looking for anything like that when I stumbled across Cop Blockers.

What was really amazing was to watch strangers, across the united states, going out to record cop interactions (Good) and boy way wosrse than I imagined.

More im portantly , however, as a result of younger generation being , generally, more open, with SM, they are seeing a lot of these epsseodes that dont make it to MSM.

Pick any -- strangers walking by cops , who nothing about the person being harassed, and stopping thier lives to film them , clearly indicates we have a problem. To hear (easy to "evaluate" my not repecting LE in gerneral - we have diff experieances). young 20-25 yr olds spew the rage at them is telling.

And at some point, yes we are talking anarchy. Shades of it are here already. Would any of us in our 50's , go up to a cop, with camera, get a foot away and spew rage. Not on your life.

That is just an indicator of the problem. The issue is escalating and will coniunue IMO, but I think the trigger now is no arrests. No convictions. No jail.

All homosapains have notions about "right" , "wrong" and fair,

Understandably the problem is also going to expand ,as less and less folks are gonna wanna be cops. That overtime adds to the issue.

Look what after Freddie, Baltimore arrest rate dropped. That was the blue club for sure, imo.

There really can not be any confusion that there is a code of silence that is compelling. The not releasing any video is totally gonna take this to anotehr level.

That too has huge implications. It does not matter what arena we are talking about. Its human behavior , in any context, when someone is accused of anything, stealing an apple, but it is on tape that no apple was stolen would want that public.

The very fact that , at this point, they are clearly declaring they wont release ALL the video is just telling imo - why would one, in such hot a story, not do so??

All behavior has meaning. And them "using" a law that is not law is even more convolted IMO. That is obnoxious. It identical to there being a segment of an expressway changing the speed limit, but pulling people over before the speed limit change goes into effect , would not hold up anywhere.

That is dictator like in my view. I think however, they will release it, and then in 7 days hide behind the new law they made

moo
 
Tawny said:
Another perfect example. He's alive.
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you do see the difference between that situation and james holmes' case tho right? and why james holmes is not a good example while this one is?
 
My problem with the positions espoused by many? Here's what you're saying to people who care enough to try to discuss the issue:

1. Show us any/all videos/photos *immediately* because they will support our position.

2. If you don't show this evidence to us, and do it when we demand, it is clearly because you have something to hide and, more importantly, it undoubtedly proves we're correct.

3. If you show us evidence that does NOT support our position, you have lied/doctored/fabricated it, which also proves we're correct.

When all roads lead to the same destination nobody moves forward. We cannot have a dialog if all of us cannot accept that we are not always right, and the other party is not always wrong.

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Caffeine said:
What's your excuse for John Allen Muhammad then? He was black. He killed lots of people. He was apprehended alive and granted due process, a fair trial etc.

I'm not sure what you're implying here but if someone surrenders, they shouldn't be treated like a threat and just executed on the spot because they did horrific things. Conversely, if you don't comply with police, regardless of the situation, they aren't gonna treat you with kid gloves.

Ultimately, people like John Muhammad and James Holmes are monsters, but they deserve a fair and civil process to determine their punishment, whether it's life in prison or the death penalty.
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I think everyone can find a sitution that would support their beliefs. But the numbers really tell the story. I have not seen a causcisain getting shot in the back while fleeing. I have not seen a non AA go dead cause 4 cops are surpressing his breathing. If he was holding 82 hostages I am there, selling ciggs is obserd imo.

Folks criminal histories are always bought into the story by media - but in legal that is not permitted. When it comes to life or death, the ONLY thing that matters is what was happeneing in the seconds before - . The big cases that have attracted MSM, all look like , to me, excessive force. That is why they make big stories.

We have video, and eyes. I just dont (not this case in this domain cause video is confusing) get all this "investigating" - when all of us - espcially here know darn well, its a stall, waiting for the media to go away - and go to bussiness as usual, cover, lie, falsify reports, drum up illigal charges etc.

moo
 
silverkitty said:
My problem with the positions espoused by many? Here's what you're saying to people who care enough to try to discuss the issue:

1. Show us any/all videos/photos *immediately* because they will support our position.

2. If you don't show this evidence to us, and so it when we demand, it is clearly because you have something to hide and, more importantly, it undoubtedly proves we're correct.

3. If you show us evidence that does NOT support our position, you have lied/doctored/fabricated it, which also proves we're correct.

When all roads lead to the same destination nobody moves forward. We cannot have a dialog if all of us cannot accept that we are not always right, and the other party is not always wrong.

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And to heck with investigating first.
 
CARIIS said:
I think everyone can find a sitution that would support their beliefs. But the numbers really tell the story. I have not seen a causcisain getting shot in the back while fleeing. I have not seen a non AA go dead cause 4 cops are surpressing his breathing. If he was holding 82 hostages I am there, selling ciggs is obserd imo.

Folks criminal histories are always bought into the story by media - but in legal that is not permitted. When it comes to life or death, the ONLY thing that matters is what was happeneing in the seconds before - . The big cases that have attracted MSM, all look like , to me, excessive force. That is why they make big stories.

We have video, and eyes. I just dont (not this case in this domain cause video is confusing) get all this "investigating" - when all of us - espcially here know darn well, its a stall, waiting for the media to go away - and go to bussiness as usual, cover, lie, falsify reports, drum up illigal charges etc.

moo
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Getting witness statements and analyzing videos is not a stall imo
 
Tawny said:
This is going precisely where I suspected it would go. Where it always goes because arguing every single solitary case is easier than admitting what the real problem is. I'll bow out now. JMO. Later.
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If you can justify this one case or prove this one shooting doesn't fit the pattern then the pattern doesn't exist and everyone can go along believing life is fair and just for all Americans. And yes, you're right - so much easier for some to do that than admitting what the real problem is.
 
popsicle said:
Looks like the gun is between the feet of the LEO in the red shirt and vest.

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Former FBI agent breaks down cell phone video of Keith Scott shooting
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Had not seen the shot on the right. Makes everything worse - looks like he is standing to far over for it to be it, while not being there in the the shot on the left

also notice the color of deceased pants - that does not look like a hue issue? Anyone know how to get a shot from wives video released today so we can see color blue?

No crime scene tape up in one - it would seem no crime scene tape indicates that the one with it was LATER, and now poof a gun?

Even if we take in cropping of the pics, was there two blue SUVs in the driveways?

THe location of the bumper in the left photo is a totally diff placement of his body?

IN the one on the left he is parellel with bumper, in right not so.

Looks like some plant grew around 4 feet in minutes on the left one!!

It must have been windy!! The number of leaves is totally different.

The numbers of leaves is wrong.

150 in video clearly no gun where it looks like it is in the pic on right??

If you look at the video here

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/keit...phone-video-of-keith-scott-shooting/324882723

In the beginning it is a wide shot. The leaves match up to the right, there is no 4 foot shrub at all,
 
CARIIS said:
Had not seen the shot on the right. Makes everything worse - looks like he is standing to far over for it to be it, while not being there in the the shot on the left

also notice the color of deceased pants - that does not look like a hue issue? Anyone know how to get a shot from wives video released today so we can see color blue?

No crime scene tape up in one - it would seem no crime scene tape indicates that the one with it was LATER, and now poof a gun?

Even if we take in cropping of the pics, was there two blue SUVs in the driveways?

THe location of the bumper in the left photo is a totally diff placement of his body?

IN the one on the left he is parellel with bumper, in right not so.
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Both photos aren't from her video. If you scroll up to the post with the new video posted you can see where that LEO never moves his left foot. Just inside his foot the FBI guy said the gun is sitting there.
 
A loose weapon would be carefully kicked/moved aside, without touching it, to preserve fingerprint/DNA evidence and to ensure there is no chance it can be picked up by the person who pulled it or an associate. It was still an active scene and not yet secure, so nobody's going to start bagging and tagging.The officer is keeping the weapon covered while keeping his focus on what's happening. This is SOP.

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