NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[MIKAYOYO]

I just can't wrap my brain around why people don't just comply. Honest to God. If you're just an innocent person then ffs do what's told. I'm a 50 something Mexican soccer mom and grandma. I was pulled over for "rolling a stop sign" 3 months ago and no, my van wasn't surrounded by cops but I didn't dare reach for my insurance card and driver's license until I told the cop what I was doing. Guess what? It didn't phase me to do that. Just freaking listen and do what you're told. We teach our children to listen and do what their told. Why can't adults follow?

 

[CARIIS]

was a gun, they shot him dead. The object turned out to
be a cell phone.

Jones was shot when she opened the door to direct officers when they arrived.

Matthews after the shooting and said he was being treated for schizophrenia.

police, who crashed their patrol car into the driver's side of her Pontiac Grand Am.

They shot Richard multiple times. Police later revealed Richard's "firearm" was actually a toy gun.

tons more

http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

officer crashed into Stephen's SUV while rushing to respond to a domestic call, killing him. He was 45 years old.

deputies restrained him into unconsciousness at the Denver jail. He died after nine days on life support.

struck Seide, 33, with a marked Seminole police pick-up truck.

Police shot Lamontez multiple times, claiming he aimed a gun at them. Police later revealed that the gun was a toy.

killed by a police cruiser while crossing the street. The cruiser was speeding on its way to a reported car crash.

struck him in the head, knocking him down. Wayne was pronounced dead at the scene by a medic.

Why did [police] shoot into a car with a baby and woman who had nothing to do with their investigation?

tased James twice, causing him to die from his injuries.

shot by an undercover NYPD officer while allegedly standing near a suspect.

passenger in a vehicle that was struck by a police car.

officer deployed his Taser, causing Robinson to fall from an eight-foot wall, sustaining fatal injuries.

officers shot and fatally wounded him after he attempted to "shoot" them with the toy gun.

Police sprayed Michael Sabbie with a chemical agent while in jail, causing him to become unresponsive and die soon afterwards.

restrained him and called paramedics. Davis became unconscious and died while being transported to the hospital.

account was later disproven by body camera footage released by Cincinnati prosecutor Joseph Deters.

had never been arrested and that the warrants were for someone else with the same name.

Despite police saying Davis was 'very, very violent' towards the officer, the officer did not sustain any injuries.

tons more

http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

 

[CARIIS]

I just can't wrap my brain around why people don't just comply. Honest to God. If you're just an innocent person then ffs do what's told. I'm a 50 something Mexican soccer mom and grandma. I was pulled over for "rolling a stop sign" 3 months ago and no, my van wasn't surrounded by cops but I didn't dare reach for my insurance card and driver's license until I told the cop what I was doing. Guess what? It didn't phase me to do that. Just freaking listen and do what you're told. We teach our children to listen and do what their told. Why can't adults follow?

I think perception of complying varies with anyone !

 

[CARIIS]

The only way blood could be on his loaded weapon is if he had the weapon with him outside of the vehicle when shot. There is no other way and the gun has been proved to be his and his DNA is on the weapon. Imo, the officer was justified and had ever right to defend himself.

Its a crying shame that the business people and regular citizens of Charlotte have had to pay such a harsh heavy price for a police officer doing his job when confronted by man with a loaded handgun who refused to put it down. All of this mayhem was built once again on a false narrative. It never seems to change in that respect.

His wife is trying to doctor it up now. She clearly said 'don't do it.' Imo, she was talking to him! She probably knew he was a loose cannon. I also think she knew he carried a handgun. It will be interesting to learn where the weapon came from. She says he has TBI but he is in a possession of a loaded lethal handgun? How smart is that IF that story is even true. Its hard to find this woman credible.

IMO

Its so shocking how "fast" results come back when it invoves a cop shooting someone.

 

[bluesneakers]

I just can't wrap my brain around why people don't just comply. Honest to God. If you're just an innocent person then ffs do what's told. I'm a 50 something Mexican soccer mom and grandma. I was pulled over for "rolling a stop sign" 3 months ago and no, my van wasn't surrounded by cops but I didn't dare reach for my insurance card and driver's license until I told the cop what I was doing. Guess what? It didn't phase me to do that. Just freaking listen and do what you're told. We teach our children to listen and do what their told. Why can't adults follow?

If he's had a TBI (especially if he'd just taken medication) it's possible he was confused or didn't understand what was happening. They're shouting at him "Drop the gun!" and he's not processing it correctly, or maybe wondering who they are and why are they shouting at him? Just speculating.

 

[CARIIS]

The only way blood could be on his loaded weapon is if he had the weapon with him outside of the vehicle when shot. There is no other way and the gun has been proved to be his and his DNA is on the weapon. Imo, the officer was justified and had ever right to defend himself.

Its a crying shame that the business people and regular citizens of Charlotte have had to pay such a harsh heavy price for a police officer doing his job when confronted by man with a loaded handgun who refused to put it down. All of this mayhem was built once again on a false narrative. It never seems to change in that respect.

His wife is trying to doctor it up now. She clearly said 'don't do it.' Imo, she was talking to him! She probably knew he was a loose cannon. I also think she knew he carried a handgun. It will be interesting to learn where the weapon came from. She says he has TBI but he is in a possession of a loaded lethal handgun? How smart is that IF that story is even true. Its hard to find this woman credible.

IMO

If ya think about the narrative actually, in reflection actually sounds as if the dont do it is directed to all the cops pulling out their guns

On more than one occasion she was actually yelling at him to do what they were saying moo

 

[bluesneakers]

The only way blood could be on his loaded weapon is if he had the weapon with him outside of the vehicle when shot. There is no other way and the gun has been proved to be his and his DNA is on the weapon. Imo, the officer was justified and had ever right to defend himself.

Its a crying shame that the business people and regular citizens of Charlotte have had to pay such a harsh heavy price for a police officer doing his job when confronted by man with a loaded handgun who refused to put it down. All of this mayhem was built once again on a false narrative. It never seems to change in that respect.

His wife is trying to doctor it up now. She clearly said 'don't do it.' Imo, she was talking to him! She probably knew he was a loose cannon. I also think she knew he carried a handgun. It will be interesting to learn where the weapon came from. She says he has TBI but he is in a possession of a loaded lethal handgun? How smart is that IF that story is even true. Its hard to find this woman credible.

IMO

She was talking to the men with guns who were about to shoot her husband.

IMO she's a victim and WS is a victim-friendly site. You can find her story hard to believe but there's no reason to make it personal. Thanks.

 

[Tillicum]

OT but don't know where to start a thread at. Maybe someone can start one? Active shooter at Cascade Mall Washington

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[bluesneakers]

Double post.

 

[bluesneakers]

If ya think about the narrative actually, in reflection actually sounds as if the dont do it is directed to all the cops pulling out their guns

On more than one occasion she was actually yelling at him to do what they were saying moo

My heart breaks for this poor woman, stuck on the side and unable to do anything other than watch her husband be shot to death.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

If he's had a TBI (especially if he'd just taken medication) it's possible he was confused or didn't understand what was happening. They're shouting at him "Drop the gun!" and he's not processing it correctly, or maybe wondering who they are and why are they shouting at him? Just speculating.

Someone that is unable to process simple commands shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car much less be in possession of a gun. I'd be interested in the toxicology results.

 

[CARIIS]

This, a thousand times this. Can't thank this post enough.



What could she possibly be telling him not to do? At first I thought she was talking to the cops, but she clearly is talking to her husband and saying not to do something, but what?

And why aren't there protests in Tulsa? That's where the real indignation should be. Moo

Casue, properly she is going to jail!!

I think that is what the media is missing -- this has evolved more into, IMO, about murderers going free

If I slammed my car into someone , and they died, Id be in jail.

I was surprised to see how many folks were killed by cops in their cars. That vehicular homicide , if it is a citizen moo

If an ambulance driver restrained someone and they croaked, they would go to jail.

The mercedes guy who was running as fast as could AWAy who got blasted in his back like 9 times when 20 feet away from the cop


If I got into a tussle on the sidewalk and ended up choking someone to their grave Id be in jail

If I shot and murdered a kid playing in a park with a toy gun , Id be in jail.

In every one of the abovementioned my jail time would start around 32 minutes after event .

The issue has moved, IMO, from cops killing AA - its moved to the buddy system and judicial system not charging people who have murdered other people

moo

 

[MIKAYOYO]

I think perception of complying varies with anyone !

How? You're told to do something by an authority figure, you do it. Period.

If he's had a TBI (especially if he'd just taken medication) it's possible he was confused or didn't understand what was happening. They're shouting at him "Drop the gun!" and he's not processing it correctly, or maybe wondering who they are and why are they shouting at him? Just speculating.

Ok, so the cops should just wait and see? Hopefully he's just holding a gun....for what? And if he's that messed up with a TV I, why is he driving a vehicle?

 

[CARIIS]

Wow, thanks. I don't recall if any of these cases ever made the national headlines. They don't seem to gain as much attention or they don't receive any just like the 10 whites who were shot and killed by police officers in a three day span from 9-18 thru 9-20-16. I wouldn't have even known about any of them but now I follow a site that updates them as they happen and the site attaches the local news articles to each one. Mr. Scott was one of the 12 who was shot and killed during the same time period.

I wonder why so much disparity in the media coverage between the two races and why one race usually gets national attention and others get little to none. I have always tried to figure that out but never have understood it. That is why I scour the net for local news stations. That is where a lot of these cases are only reported.

I would have thought it would have been a huge new story for 10 whites to be shot and killed by cops in a three day timespan but it never happened.

I think it has to do with the rate that afterwards, it turns out that AA are unarmed, more than other races

Interesting on SKY news the other night . Did a study black men with something in their hand had 45X chance more than white subjects getting shot with something in THEIR hands

it was live

 

[K_Z]

And why aren't there protests in Tulsa? That's where the real indignation should be. Moo

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That seems like a very logical question to ask, until you consider the important politics we are currently mired in. And then it's more obvious "why" NC is "hosting" the riot and protests, rather than OK. NC is a very "important" state in the current election cycle, while OK is "settled". The riots and protests, IMO, are being organized, whipped up, promoted, and sustained by outside political forces-- not locals, for a definite "political" purpose. IMO. I heard in the car tonight that all but 3 of the 44 rioters that were arrested the second night are from outside of NC.

The riots and demonstrations also a nice national distraction from some of the more potentially "troublesome" headlines. JMO.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

My heart breaks for this poor woman, stuck on the side and unable to do anything other than watch her husband be shot to death.

Well at least she managed to video her husband dying so all the world could see. If we're judging by video, you wouldn't be able to hold me back from my dying husband camera be damned. That's just my opinion.

 

[CARIIS]

How? You're told to do something by an authority figure, you do it. Period.



Ok, so the cops should just wait and see? Hopefully he's just holding a gun....for what? And if he's that messed up with a TV I, why is he driving a vehicle?

We dont know severity of impairment. I would think reasonable in that he was on meds for it. In this instance (unlike mental) everyone there was clearly told that he has some impairment.

So its kinda like expectation of complaince among children - capablitly to do it . Same thing with autistic case - he was clueless that continuing to play with his truck would be viewed by cops as a gun .

In much the same way, the the other guy had screamed out that the guy was impaired.


Their is an expectation, when we are talking about killing people that training would make cops, in broad daylight, being able to ascertain guns from other items.

[FONT=&amp]“Over the past year, The Post found that the vast majority of those shot and killed by police were armed and half of them were white...... police killed blacks at three times the rate of whites when adjusted for the populations where these shootings occurred. And although black men represent 6 percent of the U.S. population, they made up nearly 40 percent of those who were killed while unarmed.”

Yes, unarmed people being killed by cops would tend to generate more media coverage. Understandably, if an armed person (white or black) was shot in the back a whole bunch of times - that can even be understandable to some degree. But killing unarmed Americans gets coverage - because it is abhorent

moo

[/FONT]Its not an opinion - its facts!


http://www.denverpost.com/2016/07/12/fact-check-more-whites-shot-by-police-in-2015-than-minorities/

moo

 

[K_Z]

She was talking to the men with guns who were about to shoot her husband.

IMO she's a victim and WS is a victim-friendly site. You can find her story hard to believe but there's no reason to make it personal. Thanks.

She took the video. She insisted that it be publicized as widely as possible. She and her family have given interviews and statements to the media. She is not off limits for discussion or criticism about any of that, because she is a both witness and a participant.

We are allowed to make our own judgement about her actions, and her motivations, and her truthfulness.

 

[K_Z]

Well at least she managed to video her husband dying so all the world could see. If we're judging by video, you wouldn't be able to hold me back from my dying husband camera be damned. That's just my opinion.

I wish she had called 911 with the phone she was video recording with.

 

[bluesneakers]

Snipped for focus.

That seems like a very logical question to ask, until you consider the important politics we are currently mired in. And then it's more obvious "why" NC is "hosting" the riot and protests, rather than OK. NC is a very "important" state in the current election cycle, while OK is "settled". The riots and protests, IMO, are being organized, whipped up, promoted, and sustained by outside political forces-- not locals, for a definite "political" purpose. IMO. I heard in the car tonight that all but 3 of the 44 rioters that were arrested the second night are from outside of NC.

The riots and demonstrations also a nice national distraction from some of the more potentially "troublesome" headlines. JMO.

Was this a legitimate report or just someone calling into a radio show? I know you won't have a link.