It's been so long I can't remember if we discussed this:
A few pages back, Kelli's friend and coworker says that her purse was in her apartment. VOH, did Kelli have her purse that night? I understand that some ladies don't take their purses on nights out, but in my experience many of them do.
As far as I remember, she did not have a purse with her that night.
I only will say this: my boyfriend is a pretty regular drinker, like Kelli... We have been together for years and I've never actually seen him act "drunk". He never slurs his words nor does he stumble or look cross-eyed. His actions are "different" in that, if you know him you can tell the difference, but a lot of the times, even I can't tell when he's that sauced. We've had conversations, etc. that he will seem sober for and he won't be able to recall it the next day. I'm the "loud, boisterous" one, I get a few drinks in me and my volume goes up and I laugh inappropriately, eventually slur and stumble like any normal person would... but it takes a lot to get that way. Not that he's a huge alcoholic, but we're young-ish and don't have kids, so we still tend to imbibe more on any given "party" night. Not that I need to justify our drinking... lol
I understand what you are saying. I can hold my liquor as well. She did not appear drunk to me at all.
I figured Kelli didn't smoke but may have agreed to go outside with NH so that he could smoke and she could get some fresh air. They never returned inside, correct? What was the last time anyone remembers seeing her at FB, inside or outside? That's unclear now. We used to think she left AFTER 1:00 a.m. Now, apparently, she left sooner. The time span is from a little after midnight up until 12:4- a.m.? Why so broad?
We know that LE collected potential evidence from the back of P's taxi. Of course, we didn't hear anything about the results. It could have been routine or LE may have had a specific reason for checking out that vehicle. We saw the pictures though.
Do you know who that person is? "Justin"? Who is that? Because, no one named Justin has ever come forward to tell what he knows, correct?
I heard her old boss and friend from FL say he tried to get a hold of her several times over the weekend (he appeared on a news show). Is he the only person who was concerned?
They left from the front door around 115 - 120 from what I recall. (It's been a long time now.) At this point, I don't remember if the back door was open or not.
I do know who Justin is. Justin has talked with police. I'm not going to comment further on him or the concerned person. Sorry.
I'm not sure I understand your point about Kelli's unpaid bill. If she didn't forget to pay, and wasn't planning to hold off paying until next time, then why didn't she pay her tab?
Plus, I understand it was her total tab for the night (versus paying for a drink at a time); four beers and four shots. I'm don't understand your remark about SC not being worried about $30. I'm not concerned about whether or not he was worried about unpaid tabs, just that he told LE that Kelli left an unpaid tab behind. If she hadn't, it may be clearer that she paid up and then left the bar. Leaving the unpaid tab is curious is all.
SC sure sounds as if he was free with his money considering he was thrown in the slammer for unpaid child support (among other things?). Anyway, I know his leariness of drawing attention to FB could have been due to his other problems.
I think the wording of the reports on the tab - who was drinking - who drank what - who was paying - is all very misleading. There's not much more I can say at this point. Again, believe me I want to tell you guys everything, but my moral compass says to remain quiet for now. I am 100% he didn't want attention at Froggy's to cover his own butt. I'm willing to tell you he contacted all of his employees to hear their sides of the story.
So, we know Kelli's uniform was left on her bed as if she changed in a hurry? Why would she want to have to deal with it when she came home after a night out drinking? It doesn't matter except to have an understanding of her usual habits. She wouldn't be needing her uniform until Monday though. Why leave it on the bed especially if she had time to lounge on the couch?
Am I overthinking this?
Lots of times - the uniform is washed once or twice a week (or you have two and you do laundry once a week). Most soldiers just want to get out of the ACUs the minute they get home, especially if it was a real physical and/or hot day. Throwing it on the bed doesn't really indicate anything in my mind.
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Iirc Kelli didn't take her purse out with her that night. I can't recall who said (sister?) or why but her habit would be to take an id and some cash with her in her pocket. Carp, did her shorts have pockets? Then, she'd have to keep her cell phone with her in her hand or at a table loose I guess.
I remember hearing two different stories; one was that she sat at a table (had a place to park) and the second was that she didn't have a table and roamed around all night. The conflict has always bothered me a little. Also, that she didn't sing and later that she sang. Oh well. (conflict)
Another thing we were never able to pin down early in the case is where Kelli's car was parked this whole time. The latest article indicates it was in her apartment complex parking lot. The reason we discussed this is because we couldn't figure out where NH picked her up from because no one ever confirmed it had been at her apartment. Still, she may have met him nearby her apartment - like near the main road and not immediately in front of her building.[/QUOTE]
-She had pockets in her shorts if I remember correctly.
-She didn't have stuff (a purse) to keep anywhere. There were lots of tables open that night. She moved between them, the bar, the couch in front of the stage, and the stage itself. She played pool, socialized, and sang. I can clearly remember a few songs she sang with other people that night. Spice girls (I'm serious). A song from the movie Grease. Some old Usher song. Proud Mary (The CCR version).
-Kelli's car was not at the bar. From my understanding it was at her apartment the whole time. I agree he may have met her at the entrance to her apartment.
The sister or someone else who wasn't there saying that she didn't take her purse is not enough, IMO. While I can conceive such a scenario, ladies do take their purses with them often to bars, especially to 'freshen up' or store important things like phones, wallets, and makeup. That her ID wasn't in her purse doesn't mean she didn't take the purse, as she could have put it in her pocket when she was initially carded and just didn't put it back. Also, if she had a tab, they may have kept her ID to ensure she paid (especially on cash tab), which she reportedly did not. Which reminds me, if she had a tab, many places require a held credit card until you're ready to pay. Did they allow a cash tab? That would be rare indeed.
Froggy's was a cash only bar. They had an ATM. They did not hold credit cards or ID for tabs. They just started them. Some people paid for each drink. Some (mostly regulars) ran a tab. It was hardly ever packed enough for the tender to lose track of who owed what. I do know on some events when it was packed, I paid for my drinks as I received them. There was no offer of a tab. (And I was okay with that)
I'm so ready for some answers in this situation.
