Eileen730
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:floorlaugh: You funny. Lets. On a serious note, I have several possibilities on my radar.
I just think NH is so obvious that it cant possibly be him.
:floorlaugh: You funny. Lets. On a serious note, I have several possibilities on my radar.
I know we asked VOH about cameras, but I don't think we asked if it has an alarm system. (apologies if it's been asked). I am just wondering if it could be possible that NH left a window open (or the like) for himself to slink back in at night? And if he were to do this, what would he be able to access? A Computer? A phone? A place to wash up? Keys?
VOH, from what you observed on 041612, can you state whether or not there were any new customers to the bar that day? Were they all known to you that were there? TIA
VOH...Did Kelli regularly or on occasion smoke cigarettes?
How about Nick (IIRC, he is a smoker, please confirm). IN NY you can't smoke inside bars, you have to step outside. How about in NC, smoking inside?
Occum's Razor, folks.
To that end: VOH, what is your impression with local LE knowledge about Nick Holbert's involvement in this matter? I'm not talking official, but rather the "investigative atmosphere."
Quoting self to ask...where is the link to that? Realize, I don't have one so must ask...
How are we so sure that the cell last pings only pinged at Froggy's? Anyone have a link to that? I remember the presser, Locklear states something to the effect 'everything keeps bringing us back here'...he is not standing at FB when he states that, so is he talking about the general area? And, couldn't the general area include her apartment and FB? Where is the 'here' he speaks of?
I'm a bit confused by this question.
Original question:VOH, what is your impression with local LE knowledge about Nick Holbert's involvement in this matter? I'm not talking official, but rather the "investigative atmosphere."
Sorry for the confusion. I meant, what's the feel of local LE about who they think the perp actually is, or more specifically, do you get any feeling that LE is reasonably sure of both a crime and a suspect?
I cannot speak for that they feel or what they know. My personal belief is they are sure of a crime, but not 100% on the suspect. Though I also do believe they are working hard and following up on EVERY tip they get.
Portabella,
Remember all those geometry lessons you hated in school? Figuring out the degrees of the angles in triangles? Thankfully, some geeks love that math and have used it as the basis for telecommunications science. Telecomm technicians/engineers use those same principles to triangulate the approximate point of actual ping locations between towers. Not a perfect science, but it's become far more accurate these days.
In this instance, results may also be supported by GPS information from the iPhone 4s, too. Aside from the standard GPS that Kelli may have had set to active on the phone, many, many phone apps include a service called 'location' on by default. An example: Say Kelli used Facebook or twitter apps on her phone, and had either set to 'update location'. Each time that Kelli sent an update (post), the content would automagically be updated with her GPS location at the time.
Not saying that Kelli did use any app like that the night she went missing, those are just examples of phone apps that usually have 'location' turned on by default.
Police may have:
- The triangulated ping report from teleco
- GPS - basic service from the phone
- Potentially other location updates from app Kelli used on her phone
- iPhone 'find my phone' locater - last set of data
Even with all of those data points, or just one, it doesn't answer where Kelli is, but points LE to where to begin looking for the phone when it was disabled. Kelli may or may not have been near at the time, but whoever was in possession of her phone was last near that ping location, KWIM?
>skip this part if you really don't want a lesson< ;p
(FWIW, all of these application services are all part of big business for software developers these days. They all fall under 'geolocation'. Many companies pay big money, and make big money by gathering data on where people are at any given time. Have you heard of FourSquare or Groupon? People 'check-in' electronically to their local coffee shop, and the local coffee shop uses that knowledge of the customer's proximity to offer coupons, discounts & specials. And they gather a truckload of data about consumer buying habits in the process. All because these cool little gadgets on our phones do it automagically.)
Here is Nick's quote again, tell me if you find something strange here...
I said I figured she didn't want me to know where she lived, or somebody was there and she didn't want to be seen together."
BondJamesBond?
If this is "exactly" how he stated it, it leads me to wonder if he did not slip a bit there. Look at it this way....
I said, "I figure you don't what me to know where you live" or I said,
What you don't want us to be seen together".
He is saying this as HE SAID..... not that he thought, but HE SAID. So perhaps she told him near to the beginning of the ride home. "Hey Nick, thanks for driving me home, just drop me off at my Apartment complex entrance if you don't mine".
I could see where this could lead rapidly to a insult, a crash that he realized he had no shot with her that night. Rejection realizing he just spent the night paying for drinks for someone that had not only no interest in him in "that way" but also obviously did not fully trust him. Then he could have made the statements above.....
Leading Kelli to say, the next set of statements....as I recall it was like she was demanding being let out of the car. I think his demeanor and his own statements spooked her. I think this happened rapidly. And as I have stated before Nick might be lying, but there is truth to every lie....IMHO
While I have suspicions on both NH and MB, after comparing cases, this article of statistics really puts a twist in my thought process. Last Thursday, I helped in the search party for Kelli. I saw NH's lean-to and personal hygiene products, the bar area, her apartment, etc. What stood out to me was the HUGE road construction going on directly across the street from the bar with acres of orange clay and bulldozers. These other women in this article were "abducted" or went "missing" near a major highway and some confirmed with major on-going road construction. Some of these girls' appearances are almost identical. Especially Holly Bobo and KB. Case info is also very similar. Just something to think about and study.
http://www.zimbio.com/IU/articles/3i54JV9Gmis/Pretty+Blonde+Kelli+Bordeaux+Goes+Missing
LMAO. Nope, but big fan of his. The dude is a serious critical thinker. Is he still around?
ETA: I see he is, but hasn't posted recently. I'm very flattered you'd even think it. Thank you.
The thing that keeps bouncing around in my head and I can't quite figure out is the 2 text messages. The family feels pretty certain that she didn't make either one of them, and we don't know the time they were sent, only they were an hour apart. I think the time must be pretty important.
If the first was sent prior to their departure and it wasn't Kelli who sent it? Makes me think there was some sort of premeditation. Why else would someone else text that. It doesn't make sense to me since NH is the most logical suspect since he took her home and was last seen with her, that he would plan to do something and set up a SODDI scenerio. If it was an escalation of a situation after they left, it wasn't a planned thing, so no reason to text "some man is taking me home" before that.
If both texts came after the alleged time they left, 1:20am and then an hour later, it would make more sense that it wasn't Kelli and someone was covering their tracks. Am I making sense?? Therefore, the time is important!!
The thing that keeps bouncing around in my head and I can't quite figure out is the 2 text messages. The family feels pretty certain that she didn't make either one of them, and we don't know the time they were sent, only they were an hour apart. I think the time must be pretty important.
If the first was sent prior to their departure and it wasn't Kelli who sent it? Makes me think there was some sort of premeditation. Why else would someone else text that. It doesn't make sense to me since NH is the most logical suspect since he took her home and was last seen with her, that he would plan to do something and set up a SODDI scenerio. If it was an escalation of a situation after they left, it wasn't a planned thing, so no reason to text "some man is taking me home" before that.
If both texts came after the alleged time they left, 1:20am and then an hour later, it would make more sense that it wasn't Kelli and someone was covering their tracks. Am I making sense?? Therefore, the time is important!!
If this is "exactly" how he stated it, it leads me to wonder if he did not slip a bit there. Look at it this way....
I said, "I figure you don't what me to know where you live" or I said,
What you don't want us to be seen together".
He is saying this as HE SAID..... not that he thought, but HE SAID. So perhaps she told him near to the beginning of the ride home. "Hey Nick, thanks for driving me home, just drop me off at my Apartment complex entrance if you don't mine".
I could see where this could lead rapidly to a insult, a crash that he realized he had no shot with her that night. Rejection realizing he just spent the night paying for drinks for someone that had not only no interest in him in "that way" but also obviously did not fully trust him. Then he could have made the statements above.....
Leading Kelli to say, the next set of statements....as I recall it was like she was demanding being let out of the car. I think his demeanor and his own statements spooked her. I think this happened rapidly. And as I have stated before Nick might be lying, but there is truth to every lie....IMHO