NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #13

[lbminnesota]

Ok, trying to catch up (again)
I've tried to be really understanding with the whole dad should have known thing and all that. So, I've just decided not to comment on it.

But, I do want to say this. I've seen it questioned in here several times about Brad calling Shaniya a young lady.

Is that a southern thing?? I say this because I come from the deep south and I say it all the time. I refer to my DD as a young lady all the time.
"She's a smart young lady, she's a sassy little lady, go to your room young lady!!!"

I also call her (at 12) my baby.

IMO they are terms of endearment.


I don't think there is anything hinky about him referring to his daughter as a special young lady - IMO

The phrase is "Beautiful Woman" but may be a regional reference as you said.

 

[not_my_kids]

So true

IMHO Instead of yet another self serving family "foundation" we need a national clearing house for missing/exploited kids that actually works

we need quick ways to intervene, the California model should be nationwide

is there a movement for that or a "name" for that law? why don't we hear more about that??

I keep thinking that if someone, anyone, could have forced an intevention at that trailer to check on Shaynia's well being that she would be alive today

I have suggested calling social workers, cops, drug squad...I don't know what else to do
we need a fast way to intervene

It seems that one can call the Humane Society and get a quick intervention in regard to pets...what about kids? (and yes, I also love pets LOL)

any info on this would be much appreciated thanks

I'll look. I first heard about it from a prosecutor in Mountainview CA. I had called her about a missing child, taken by her mother. We talked and she told me that she pities the mother and she would drop the charges if she could, since it was later proven that the father, that had custody, was abusing the child. That was when she told me about the law. That if mother had known about it, she could have simply taken her daughter to the emergency room, custodial or not...it's not kidnapping in CA if you have proof or strong belief that a child is being abused. You have to call the police on yourself immediately and immediately take them to LE or medical treatment, but if you follow those rules, they won't prosecute.
I don't know the name of it, but I'll put a call into her and see what she can tell me.

 

[SuziQ]

And I don't disagree with you one bit. I have questions too. Just saving them for later. Sleuthing father now does me no good at this point. Again, IMO.
I'd love for more sleuthing to be done on Aunt Brenda IMO. She was there. Not much said lately about her.:waitasec:

But, I'd love to have a post count on here about just how many posts have been made regarding father and how many regarding the criminals. I think we would be shocked. I'm not saying he is perfect, he had faults and I will look into those at a later time. Just my personal choice to wait.

At this time, I'd rather focus on the criminals and those that were in that trailer at the time.

Have you ever heard of the saying "The buck stops here"? That's how I feel about the dad. Focus on what you want to. Sleuth who you want. Many of us here want to know the truth because we aren't feeling it coming from dad.

 

[mama2echo]

Why did he need someone else to take care of Shaniya?

this has bothered me too...but knowing my daughter(who is only a month younger than Shaniya) right now she is VERY clingy to me...she never was as a baby or anything, always been miss independent...but since shes started K its been all about mommy...so i wonder if she was going thru the same kind of thing, and wanted/missed her mommy...and he caved and gave the benifit of doubt that she would be alright and get to be with her mommy, ya know?

 

[CarrieBean]

I need to find the link, but it has been in the media that DSS was involved with the creature over her son, not Shaniya.
So, that says to me that none of these people that saw the burns, if they were ever there at all, called for help for Shaniya.
Failed from many angles.

The "over her son" part doesn't make sense to me. If there were alleged issues with AD and her son why wouldn't it apply to any other children in the home, even if they were only there on occasion?

 

[balaney]

Wondering - if the motel was a place for picture taking - money in *advertiser censored*.

 

[songline]

SuziQ, I always love your post.
I have pretty much stayed quiet about the father, but I have my thoughts. A real ticker for me was when they said yesterday after the video interview a memorial was being set up in Shaniya's name, no information what this fund is going to be used for and it was said shortly after the father talked about Shaniya running into his "BMW" with her bike. Maybe it's just me but I find it hard to stomach someone who has money setting up and asking for money in Shaniya's name.
I knew there would be more to come about him, just a feeling. While he had nothing to do with her death, he sure had the warning signs and people he could have turned to. Poor baby had no one to protect her.

Just a thought, where did we get that this guy has money?
Just because he is not living in a trailer doe snot mean money at all.
He worked in construction...Last I heard construction workers especially now with our economy are not making a bundle.
I am not defending the man.....I just dont know where we get
that the man has money.

 

[ElizaAvalon]

I don't know if this has been discussed and I don't have time today to dig for it, but is/was AD a prostitute herself?

I'd also like to know under what circumstances AD gave up her baby to BL? You give birth and then you hand over your baby to a man you had a one night stand with? Doesn't make much sense to me unless it was court ordered that she not have custody (drugs?).

I see BL in front of his nicely manicured house with columns and lawn and I have to wonder to myself what the hell was he thinking dumping his beautiful daughter in that hive of crime at AD's home?

I don't want to blame the father. He is suffering over this far more than any of us are suffering (and, we are!). But he made some really bad choices. And he will have to live with them for the rest of his life.

 

[BeanE]

I'm still not awake yet (had a terrible night) and not caught up. Sorry if this has already been posted.

Myrna Allen says during a recent visit to her home she noticed scars on her arms and asked the 5-year-old what happened.

"She says 'cigarette' and then I said 'from where,' she said 'my momma's friends,' and I said 'they were burning you with butts,' and she said 'some times'," Myrna Allen said.



http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7123252

 

[BeanE]

HLN just said they will carry the presser live in 15 minutes.

 

[TakeNote]

Wondering - if the motel was a place for picture taking - money in *advertiser censored*.

this was my thought as well....pictures and maybe video

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

The "over her son" part doesn't make sense to me. If there were alleged issues with AD and her son why wouldn't it apply to any other children in the home, even if they were only there on occasion?

Any children should be looked over when there is a DCFS/Social Services complaint of abuse. However, very often one child is singled out for abuse. Assuming DCFS/SS knew Shaniya was an infrequent visitor I would assume they would have interviewed/examined her for any signs of abuse/neglect.

We also know of many stories of child protective workers that drop the ball. I really don't know what to think about any of the players in this anymore.

 

[TakeNote]

can someone link the conf....when its on....thanks

 

[ElizaAvalon]

Just a thought, where did we get that this guy has money?
Just because he is not living in a trailer doe snot mean money at all.
He worked in construction...Last I heard construction workers especially now with our economy are not making a bundle.
I am not defending the man.....I just dont know where we get
that the man has money.

He may not be rolling in dough, but the man is not suffering for cash. This is taken in front of his home:

Not too shabby.

 

[CarrieBean]

Just a thought, where did we get that this guy has money?
Just because he is not living in a trailer doe snot mean money at all.
He worked in construction...Last I heard construction workers especially now with our economy are not making a bundle.
I am not defending the man.....I just dont know where we get
that the man has money.

The nice house and the beemer would be my guess. It doesn't mean the guy is loaded though. There are plenty of people out there who appear to be well off, who are just getting by.

 

[LogicalMinds]

From the start I found the contrast so odd and disturbing.
dingy run down single wide trailer in what most locals say is the WORST part of town

lovely brick home, pretty dresses..now a scooter and a beemer

What about the sister, her baby, and the guys (felons) living/staying overnight there??? all in a small trailer

didn't they check into the people that Shaynia would be around??

A call to the leasing office could have told them there were a lot of people in and out of that trailer

knowing that AD had drug problems wouldn't a "drug test" be a good idea before handing over this precious little girl??

So many chances to save her....and now this tragedy

My sorrow is for that beautiful little girl

 

[Trident]

I've gone through crying and rage (probably lost a few friends here last night). But today, I feel hopeful in the caring of Brad's friend and father-in-law. They showed "it takes a village" in parenting our children. I'll never understand the why's but I still have faith that most of us are kind and generous people.

I believe Brad's friend and his father-in-law are good, decent, caring men. I, however, don't share your faith in the rest of the world.

WHY didn't bio-dad allow the child to live with people he knew were decent? WHY did he insist, apparently against his sister's wishes, on giving his beautiful daughter to his "one night stand" to help her to learn to be a mother? It seems to me, and is only my opinion, he didn't want the responsibility of caring for this child any more - his other children live elsewhere.

My opinion only

 

[KivaSupporter]

I'm still not awake yet (had a terrible night) and not caught up. Sorry if this has already been posted.

Myrna Allen says during a recent visit to her home she noticed scars on her arms and asked the 5-year-old what happened.

"She says 'cigarette' and then I said 'from where,' she said 'my momma's friends,' and I said 'they were burning you with butts,' and she said 'some times'," Myrna Allen said.



http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7123252

What I want to know is did she report it to the authorities. If she did not, she is to blame as well for what happened to this poor child. :furious:

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

I'm still not awake yet (had a terrible night) and not caught up. Sorry if this has already been posted.

Myrna Allen says during a recent visit to her home she noticed scars on her arms and asked the 5-year-old what happened.

"She says 'cigarette' and then I said 'from where,' she said 'my momma's friends,' and I said 'they were burning you with butts,' and she said 'some times'," Myrna Allen said.



http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7123252

((hugs)) BeanE, rough nights are never fun.

I have to go back to something I said before. Did Allen call CPS when she learned this information? All fine and dandy to tell the press now... if we are sleuthing Dad's (not you per se) failures then it would seem to be a lot of people around Shaniya failed her.

 

[not_my_kids]

Southern girl here too, and the reference to calling girls ladies is right on the mark...no matter how old they are we call them ladies..some folks around here just want to read SOMETHING into EVERYFRIGGINTHING they hear! And this case being in NC, I have heard people from that area speaking WAY more southern than me, and I am almost as south as you can get statewise. It really is starting to tick me off that some folks here want to start on the daddy bashing..."he isn't acting right"..."he is saying the wrong thing"..."would you just look at how much different he is today than yesterday!!!!!!!!!!"..."he's talking different today"..."he isn't showing enough emotion"..."he sent her into this"..."he should have known better"...."OMG! he prefers women of a different race?!?!?!?!"..."he doesn't seem sad enough"...
Lemme ask all you obviously perfect parents what you would do in this situation? Tell me that you never let your kid stay over at someones house that you could really kick yourself for it now looking back.. I DID
If you are divorced..did you not try to give the other parent at least 1 more chance to do the right thing?!?!?! ....anything can happen in the blink of an eye! I have made some mistakes as a mom, at least I can see it..and God forbid if anything happened to one of my kids I would never forgive myself for it! And if it did I would hope that people would understand that it is not them in that situation, it is not up to us to judge this man! Seriously at any rate, Brad did secure Shaniya's future for her whether he was active in her life or not, that child was very well taken care of...had she been with the other parental unit, I hate to even think of what the 5 little years she had would have been like.

If my decisions ever lead to the death of my child...then may the people be as KIND and give as much as SLACK to me as we have all given this father. His choice put Shaniya in the situation that resulted in her death. Not his intention, but he needs to be looked at hard.