GUILTY NC - Valerie Hamilton, 23, Charlotte, 15 September 2010

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The Charlotte Observer is reporting that there weren't any signs of physical murder on her body (strangulation, gunshot, stab wounds, etc.) but there were signs of drug use. Apparently Harvey is claiming that he didn't kill her, but she died of an overdose and then he hid the body, or something like that. It doesn't add up to me. Of course, it's giving the awful people who comment terrible things on news stories lots of new blame-the-victim fodder.

In the comments section of the Charlotte Observer story, this is posted....
this is a tragedy, but why is no one looking up ms. hamilton's past legal troubles? one quick query on www.charmeck.org indicates that she had a dwi in 2008.

Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...ey-waives-extradition-will.html#ixzz10DGOWDNK

We have villified him as a kidnapper, murderer and RSO/rapist. As more details come out, she may have had issues with drugs/alcohol. Certainly his behavior of hiding the body, fleeing, etc. hasn't helped him.
 
Preliminary autopsy results released for Valerie Hamilton

Updated today at 7:27 PM
CHARLOTTE, N.C. – The Medical Examiner’s Office released a preliminary autopsy report for Valerie Hamilton late Tuesday afternoon.
Those results do not indicate any kind of physical trauma or specify a cause of death.

Michael Neal Harvey was arrested in New York on Monday in connection with Hamilton’s death. He appeared before a judge Tuesday afternoon.

While leaving court, Harvey told reporters he was not a murderer.

“This is not a murder,” Harvey said. “There’s no murder at all.”

He said he is not responsible for her death at all.

“She OD’ed in her sleep, you want to hear that? Harvey asked. “She OD’ed in her sleep, she overdosed in her sleep.”

Detectives are still waiting for results from toxicology tests and results of the sexual assault examination kit.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg homicide detectives say they spoke with a number of witnesses who reported seeing Hamilton with Harvey at the Thomas Street Tavern Wednesday night.

Homicide detectives report that they found evidence of drug use.

Witnesses told police that Hamilton appeared to need medical attention and some of those witnesses say they approached Harvey, telling him to take Hamilton to a medical professional.

Police say they believe Harvey moved Hamilton’s body to try to hide her death.

Detectives are still investigating the case to figure out exactly what happened the night Hamilton died and what, if any, charges should be filed.

more at http://www.wcnc.com/news/Preliminary-autopsy-results-released-in-Hamilton-death-103476779.html
 
It's hard to say the autopsy prelim doesn't put a different cast on things. My question now is: What drug were they doing that could have resulted in her death? And was the first time she ever did this drug? Did she do it voluntarily?

My thoughts are with her family and loved ones.
 
It's hard to say the autopsy prelim doesn't put a different cast on things. My question now is: What drug were they doing that could have resulted in her death? And was the first time she ever did this drug? Did she do it voluntarily?

My thoughts are with her family and loved ones.
My understanding his drug of choice was heroin, so if there are indications of Valerie's drug use without the toxicology reports, I am inclined to think it may be the same. MOO
 
Autopsy has me somewhat perplexed also but I must say this. Speaking for myself I will be hard pressed to believe she voluntarily took any drugs that may have caused her death.

Her friends report she was in training for a triathlon, that she despised drugs. She was a teacher in a swimming school and generally talked to her father a few times a day. She was in school to be a teacher. This is not the profile of a drug user.

When Harvey was arrested he reportedly had heroin paraphernalia around him and he was in a drugged state.

I'm stepping out on a limb and assuming he drugged her, that she wasn't willing. Either through drink as in date rape etc. I just can't imagine her being a willing party to heroin if that's what it turns out to be. A hair strand test should confirm any and all usage and I'll bet there is none from a previous past.

I suppose we all await the toxicology report but at this point I can't see her being a willing participant to a major drug. I actually expect her hair strand test to be clean.

JMO
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Autopsy has me somewhat perplexed also but I must say this. Speaking for myself I will be hard pressed to believe she voluntarily took any drugs that may have caused her death.

I'm inclined to agree with you because I would hope that the swim school would drug test its instructors since they literally have the lives of little kids in their hands and they most certainly would do background checks.

I can't think of any business in N.C. where people work or volunteer with children, people with disabiliies or older adults don't have background checks/drug tests.
 
Autopsy has me somewhat perplexed also but I must say this. Speaking for myself I will be hard pressed to believe she voluntarily took any drugs that may have caused her death.

Her friends report she was in training for a triathlon, that she despised drugs. She was a teacher in a swimming school and generally talked to her father a few times a day. She was in school to be a teacher. This is not the profile of a drug user.

When Harvey was arrested he reportedly had heroin paraphernalia around him and he was in a drugged state.

I'm stepping out on a limb and assuming he drugged her, that she wasn't willing. Either through drink as in date rape etc. I just can't imagine her being a willing party to heroin if that's what it turns out to be. A hair strand test should confirm any and all usage and I'll bet there is none from a previous past.

I suppose we all await the toxicology report but at this point I can't see her being a willing participant to a major drug. I actually expect her hair strand test to be clean.

JMO
jumping off da soapbox
I wonder if while in an unconscious state, she was injected with heroin as a cover up to make it appear she died of a self-inflicted overdose? Just speculation (and we do not know what the drug is without the tox report) as to how she could have "signs of drug use" without being the one who administered the drugs herself. :waitasec: MOO
 
Here's the only scenario that I can come up with that has her going to all 3 locations with him (without taking her purse and keys - how did she get into her apt.?)

12:30-1:30 - they leave the bar together to continue the evening (no problem so far). Perhaps, they go to another bar or she says hey, there's a hot tub at my appt complex? Wanna go there? He says sure, but I need to swing by my house and get my swimsuit - I don't live far from here.

1:30ish -They take his car to his house. (10 min drive from Thomas St.)

(But why did she not take her car to her apt???)

Around 2:30 a.m. - they go to her apt. so she can change into her swimsuit (25-30 min drive from his house). She leaves door unlocked because the pool/hot tub is not that far from her apt. (I don't know this for a fact, just a scenario).

3 a.m. - They are in the hot tub - she calls her friend because she may be getting vibes that this guy is weird and if her friend comes over, he will leave.

3:30ish - As it's getting later, she tells him that she has to go get her car, he takes her back, she puts her keys and purse in the car and turns to say goodnight and
then he grabs her.

OR - she does take her car to her apt., but he drove it back to the parking lot near Thomas Street with her keys and purse in it to stage the scene.

I still don't know how she ends up at Econolodge, unless he took her there right after he kidnapped her.


Perhaps, just perhaps, the 20 year old friend is not being honest about the phone call.
I'm obviously not convinced she was at her apartment, or in a hot tub that night.
I wonder if he put something in her drink before she even left the bar.
That would explain the strange behavior of leaving her keys, purse, etc.

Was her cellphone found in her purse? If not then where was it found, anyone know? tia
 
Just had a far out thought: did LE say they knew she had been to the hot tub? What if she did something like heroin for the first time and was really tripping, and they didn't go to the hot tub but she thought they were going to go (mistakenly or tripping)? I've never done heroin so I'm not sure of the effects, but I had morphine after a c-section and called people up from the hospital and said I had been scuba diving, was on an airplane, etc. HOWEVER, friends later said it was noticeable that my speech was slurred. Her friend didn't seem to think that at the time, I'm assuming.

What I don't get is - how do you go from being in such need of medical assistance that folks around you are urging medical help immediately, to being happy in a hot tub?!? There's a missing link here.

If she were a previous user of heroin, there would probably be needle tracks. I'm more inclined to think that she may have been a party girl but not a druggie. Either it is a cover up, or he already slipped her something else and she "consented" to heroin while already in a drugged state.

It really is a shame... I really feel for her family.
 
I really didn't want to comment on this case until toxicology results came in, and I don't know this poor woman personally, but just because she didn't seem to be the "type" of person to voluntarily use drugs doesn't mean that she didn't. You would be surprised at the "type" of people who actually do use drugs and are very good at hiding it. I am leaning towards Valerie taking the drugs on her own free will.

That does not excuse the actions of the accused by any means. If he is the one who provided the drugs, then he will face charges for her death, but who provided him with the drugs? By all accounts it seems that he was a user and not a dealer? You wouldn't believe the stuff people lace these drugs with nowadays and there could be a lot of bad heroine (not that heroine isn't bad enough) going around.

I'm not blaming her. She didn't have to die. It sounds like she could have been saved had he gotten her the medical help that she obviously needed (WHY didn't those witnesses not call for help?). I just really, really hate drugs!! I have never used them, but I know of many who have and many who have died because of them. Now another young woman has lost her life and her poor father has to bury his child. Sad! Senseless!

P.S. Just in case it is heroine, it wouldn't mean that she had to of had track marks. I believe it can be smoked or snorted also? Correct me if I am wrong?
 
FWIW, there's NO way I'd ever try a drug like that with a stranger (or at all, for that matter), but certainly not with someone I didn't trust. I smell a rat on this one. The posters who said she may have been drugged and then shot up are what's ringing truest to me. If she didn't even smoke weed (and I'm guessing she didn't), there's no way she'd just "graduate" to heroin all of a sudden.
 
My thought on the hot tub call: Perhaps she felt things were getting out of control at his place or the motel and wanted to go home, but couldn't get him to take her home, so she tried to encourage him to take her home with a "two hot babes in the hot tub" type of invitation... You know, "hey, I bet my friend will meet us at the hot tub and we can have a really good time there," in hopes that once she got there and her friend got there she could get rid of him and be safer at the same time. Just a thought that ran through my head. I could see myself trying that - I can't convince you just to take me home, so let me sweeten the pot, while also getting reinforcements who I know will help me get rid of you.
 
I really didn't want to comment on this case until toxicology results came in, and I don't know this poor woman personally, but just because she didn't seem to be the "type" of person to voluntarily use drugs doesn't mean that she didn't. You would be surprised at the "type" of people who actually do use drugs and are very good at hiding it. I am leaning towards Valerie taking the drugs on her own free will.

That does not excuse the actions of the accused by any means. If he is the one who provided the drugs, then he will face charges for her death, but who provided him with the drugs? By all accounts it seems that he was a user and not a dealer? You wouldn't believe the stuff people lace these drugs with nowadays and there could be a lot of bad heroine (not that heroine isn't bad enough) going around.

I'm not blaming her. She didn't have to die. It sounds like she could have been saved had he gotten her the medical help that she obviously needed (WHY didn't those witnesses not call for help?). I just really, really hate drugs!! I have never used them, but I know of many who have and many who have died because of them. Now another young woman has lost her life and her poor father has to bury his child. Sad! Senseless!

P.S. Just in case it is heroine, it wouldn't mean that she had to of had track marks. I believe it can be smoked or snorted also? Correct me if I am wrong?

I very much agree with this. I'm not much older than Valerie, and I know plenty of young people who do well in school or have a good job but they occasionally use recreational drugs. Not all drug users are homeless, constantly strung out, and committing crimes. I hate to use "responsible" and "drug use" in the same sentence, because really no drug use is "responsible," but there are plenty of people out there who occasionally use drugs without completely ruining their lives, at least they haven't ruined it yet. JMO.

It will be interesting to see what other evidence comes to light.

BTW, one article I read (it's already been linked here but I have forgotten which one) said that one of Harvey's drug charges was related to selling counterfeit drugs, so it's not too much of a stretch to say that maybe Hamilton willingly partook in some of his drugs not realizing it was laced with something dangerous.
 
Perhaps, just perhaps, the 20 year old friend is not being honest about the phone call.
I'm obviously not convinced she was at her apartment, or in a hot tub that night.
I wonder if he put something in her drink before she even left the bar.
That would explain the strange behavior of leaving her keys, purse, etc.

Was her cellphone found in her purse? If not then where was it found, anyone know? tia

LE never mentioned they found her cell phone. But I'm wondering if HE sent her friend a text message at 3am inviting her to come over from her cell. I think she was already dead at that time.
 
On Tuesday, Harvey made his first appearance in court. As he was being escorted into the courthouse, Harvey told WIVB Reporter George Richert that he is innocent and that Hamilton overdosed on heroin.

Richert told WBTV that Harvey claims he and Hamilton did some black tar heroin the night they left the bar, and when he woke up, he claims she was dead.

Police are still awaiting toxicology results and the results of the sexual assault examination kit.


http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13198213
 
FWIW, there's NO way I'd ever try a drug like that with a stranger (or at all, for that matter), but certainly not with someone I didn't trust. I smell a rat on this one. The posters who said she may have been drugged and then shot up are what's ringing truest to me. If she didn't even smoke weed (and I'm guessing she didn't), there's no way she'd just "graduate" to heroin all of a sudden.

I agree but I wanted to add a few things. Like many, I was an excellent student, the apple of my dad's eye, and I did many things they knew (thankfully) nothing about. I made a lot of trips across the country seeing the Dead, and had friends from all walks of life. I, and some of those friends, experimented with drugs, and my best friend and roomie in college, now a respectable lawyer, had a heroin problem you'd never have suspected. I preferred stimulants. Either way, no track marks and no one knew (I didn't know about my bff, and I'm not naive, nor was I then).

I never partied with strangers, early on, because I knew you couldn't trust what might happen or what they might slip you. Over time, I was less cautious. Friends owned a club called Wetlands in the City. One night, a really creepy guy we knew as Rockman offered me a joint. I ended up spending the night locked in a bathroom stall. I couldn't see, literally, and while I didn't know what was happening, I knew I couldn't leave that bathroom. I have no idea what it was (pcp?) but it was bad as I am sure his intentions were. It reminded me how dangerous the world could be. I look back often, and am amazed that my disregard for safety or even simple thought didn't get me killed.

Another friend in VA was not so lucky. I think she was working as a dancer, early 90s, and one night, her birthday, she went back to the apartment of strangers (some guys and girls). They asked if she wanted to do a line of coke for her birthday, and she did. Except it wasn't coke, but heroin, and she'd done a big line. When they had her drugged, they (all) raped her. I guess they got into a car, which crashed as she fought. I recall finding reports in the paper after she told me (I was horrified after the call and didn't want to believe what I had heard). I insisted that she report it, but I'm not sure she did. We drifted apart after that, her living so far away, and me having moved on to a different life. I was worried, too, that she'd end up dead. (I looked her up on FB a while ago and was happy to see that her profile says she's married, and a parent, so I guess she made it!)

The point is, that sort of innocent risk may have been what happened. It doesn't make Valerie a bad person, nor is she different than many people at that age. The guy may not have tried to trick her, but he sure didn't help her when she needed it. Any of those people who told him to get her help are just as guilty. Her dad said that he knew his daughter made mistakes and hoped people would learn from this. Stranger danger doesn't end with childhood. It's more important the older one gets, because more choices are presented, not all good, and things like drinking impair judgement. I feel for her family, and the waste of the years Valerie lost. Ultimately, whatever the circumstances, accident or not, trusting a stranger is what it comes down to, with a senseless, tragic result.
 
I agree but I wanted to add a few things. Like many, I was an excellent student, the apple of my dad's eye, and I did many things they knew (thankfully) nothing about. I made a lot of trips across the country seeing the Dead, and had friends from all walks of life. I, and some of those friends, experimented with drugs, and my best friend and roomie in college, now a respectable lawyer, had a heroin problem you'd never have suspected. I preferred stimulants. Either way, no track marks and no one knew (I didn't know about my bff, and I'm not naive, nor was I then).

I never partied with strangers, early on, because I knew you couldn't trust what might happen or what they might slip you. Over time, I was less cautious. Friends owned a club called Wetlands in the City. One night, a really creepy guy we knew as Rockman offered me a joint. I ended up spending the night locked in a bathroom stall. I couldn't see, literally, and while I didn't know what was happening, I knew I couldn't leave that bathroom. I have no idea what it was (pcp?) but it was bad as I am sure his intentions were. It reminded me how dangerous the world could be. I look back often, and am amazed that my disregard for safety or even simple thought didn't get me killed.

Another friend in VA was not so lucky. I think she was working as a dancer, early 90s, and one night, her birthday, she went back to the apartment of strangers (some guys and girls). They asked if she wanted to do a line of coke for her birthday, and she did. Except it wasn't coke, but heroin, and she'd done a big line. When they had her drugged, they (all) raped her. I guess they got into a car, which crashed as she fought. I recall finding reports in the paper after she told me (I was horrified after the call and didn't want to believe what I had heard). I insisted that she report it, but I'm not sure she did. We drifted apart after that, her living so far away, and me having moved on to a different life. I was worried, too, that she'd end up dead. (I looked her up on FB a while ago and was happy to see that her profile says she's married, and a parent, so I guess she made it!)

The point is, that sort of innocent risk may have been what happened. It doesn't make Valerie a bad person, nor is she different than many people at that age. The guy may not have tried to trick her, but he sure didn't help her when she needed it. Any of those people who told him to get her help are just as guilty. Her dad said that he knew his daughter made mistakes and hoped people would learn from this. Stranger danger doesn't end with childhood. It's more important the older one gets, because more choices are presented, not all good, and things like drinking impair judgement. I feel for her family, and the waste of the years Valerie lost. Ultimately, whatever the circumstances, accident or not, trusting a stranger is what it comes down to, with a senseless, tragic result.

The thanks button wasn't quite enough for this wonderful post.
 
Here's an idea: what if he drugged her with GHB (read on this link that it can be used to "enhance" a heroin high - so he may have already had it with him) and then injected her with heroin after she died? He may have hidden the body so that the GHB would be undetectable by the time they found her and he could use the "I panicked" approach and only be charged for involuntary manslaughter or concealment. Hm.

http://www.k-state.edu/media/webzine/Didyouhearyes/GHBfacts.html
 

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