MyTinkieGirl
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Did SA ever suggest taking a lie detector test from an independent source?
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RSBM.
I know a lot of hunters. I don't know any hunters who shower BEFORE going hunting. My hinky meter is buzzing.
Inconsistent testimony = bus driver/propane truck driver vs Bobby Dassey
You see no reason to believe the blood was planted? None at all? Not even the clear tampering with the boxes?
And you are willing to accept that the key is suspicious, but unable to understand that ANY suspicious evidence provided by the police must necessarily call into question the rest of it?
And I am tired of this superior attitude from some people that they are too clever to have been swayed by the documentary...the rest of us just foolish, manipulated sheep.
I also see the evidence that was left out and it is almost entirely conjecture....and unconvincing conjecture at that.
That rules out anyone living on the Avery compound.
I'M NOT EVEN SORRY
If Avery really did pour gasoline on the family cat, and throw the poor thing into a fire, then I can't feel too sympathetic towards him. Maybe his evil ways got him where he is today.
I think if the bed really was where they believe it all happen, it would of been removed. Or was it? If not then this shows they didn't believe Brendans story but wanted him to source SA, all they wanted was SA.. I think if they would of played by the rules, the case would of eventually been solved.
edit to add, I can't remember if the bed was removed....
I don't see those inconsistencies having a big impact on the case at all.
Yes, the box was opened/poorly taped. That is the extent of that.
I've called into question the rest of it, and haven't seen any reason to believe the rest of it was planted. I'm sure the jury did the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
RSBM.
I know a lot of hunters. I don't know any hunters who shower BEFORE going hunting. My hinky meter is buzzing.
What? No murder.....so Teresa set herself on fire? Please explain.
Definitely grounds to send him to jail forever and ever amen. He did his time for the cat, you can't seriously be suggesting... oh nevermind.
I've tried to find information on the mattress. IF that's the same mattress why wasn't it tested? If they believe he threw it out, burned it, whatever, you know darn well that would have been a HUGE point for them. "SEE HE BURNED THE MATTRESS BECAUSE IT CONTAINED BLOOD EVIDENCE". No one EVER mentioned the mattress, not once. The deputies sat their butts on it while searching! This tells me more than literally anything that they know without a doubt that murder did not happen in that room.
Do you know what "chain of custody" means?
Family full of 'em, none of them do. At most, they'll rub some scent away on themselves but that stuff is garbage, so they all just go unshowered. JMO
I'd be willing to bet the bed didn't even have bedposts. This whole case is a fabrication. I question if a murder even took place.
I'll tell you why they're not very good explanations imo:
1. I've never seen a butt dial that lasted only 13 seconds.
2. Whether a butt dial or a misdial, one would assume it would be with *67 like the first 2 calls, but it wasn't.
Are you under the impression she was killed by fire?
I don't see those inconsistencies having a big impact on the case at all.
Yes, the box was opened/poorly taped. That is the extent of that.
I've called into question the rest of it, and haven't seen any reason to believe the rest of it was planted. I'm sure the jury did the same.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Strang readily admits he thinks it’s possible that Avery is guilty. But, he argues, “If our system worked on convicting people on maybes, then everybody could pat themselves on the back and go out and have a beer, convicting a man on a maybe. Our system isn’t supposed to work on convicting people on maybes.
“In our system, if we live the values we profess, that means you get to keep your liberty,” he continued. “That means you don’t spend the rest of your life in a cage. Could he be guilty? Sure, he could. Do I think he was proven guilty? No. Do I think there’s a real strong chance he could be innocent? Yes. But that’s just me. I wasn’t asked to decide.”
In his defense, he was first waking up for the day, so maybe a 3-4 min shower was his daily waking up routine. That being said, there are serious problems with all 4 of those mentioned. That CA was being given inside information from LE when he should have been a prime suspect really says it all as far LE's investigation into anyone but Steven.
Edit- wanted to add with BD specifically the two showers were what stuck out to me. Again, maybe this was his routine, but it still was somewhat questionable. If he was rushing to go hunting, why shower before, why not just shower after? Definitely interesting.
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Brendan discussing cleaning of the bedroom 3/1 interview:
pg 607
W: When do you clean the place up
B: Like 9:50
W: Tell me, what do you do
B: He took the, the bedsheets, took em outside and he burnt em
W: Took the bedsheets outside and he burnt em. OK
F: Was there blood on the bedsheets?
B: Yeah
F: Was it a lot of blood?
B: Bout a stain like that big
F: OK
pg 640-641
W: You said that you had cut her throat. Here's the thing Brendan, when you cut somebody's throat, they bleed a lot. Ok? Am I right?
B: Yeah
W: She bled a lot, so I know you had blood on ya, it's pretty much impossible not to. Did you have blood on you?
B: No
W: None at all?
B: No
pg 643
F: Brendan, when she's on the bed, was there a lot of blood?
B: Yeah
F: Do you recall when the sheets were taken off the bed and stuff that the blood had soaked through to the mattress pad at all? Or mattress?
B: I don't know
F: You don't know, did you see or not?
B: No
pg 644
W: Did you turn the mattress over or anything like that?
B: No
Edit: Just wanted to add in that I almost laughed out loud when Brendan said he started cleaning at 9:50 to be home by 10. Just shows how he didn't see the crime scene he described- I've obviously never had to clean a crime scene like Brendan described (hopefully no one on here has had to lol) but if I had to guess how long it would take to clean up a room where someone's throat was slit, I'd say hours, and I'd be skeptical of if you could do it completely at all. All their cleaning was done in 10 minutes. It would be laughable if he wasn't sitting in prison for it.
Which I think is a common sentiment for the people who have chosen to take an objective look at the case instead of hopping on the "Making a Murderer" bandwagon and discounting any detail that doesn't point to Avery's innocence. Myself, I believe it's possible the police could have planted all of the evidence and Avery might still guilty. I would have voted not guilty because I have MORE than reasonable doubt as to if he is guilty.
Brendan discussing cleaning of the bedroom 3/1 interview:
pg 607
W: When do you clean the place up
B: Like 9:50
W: Tell me, what do you do
B: He took the, the bedsheets, took em outside and he burnt em
W: Took the bedsheets outside and he burnt em. OK
F: Was there blood on the bedsheets?
B: Yeah
F: Was it a lot of blood?
B: Bout a stain like that big
F: OK
pg 640-641
W: You said that you had cut her throat. Here's the thing Brendan, when you cut somebody's throat, they bleed a lot. Ok? Am I right?
B: Yeah
W: She bled a lot, so I know you had blood on ya, it's pretty much impossible not to. Did you have blood on you?
B: No
W: None at all?
B: No
pg 643
F: Brendan, when she's on the bed, was there a lot of blood?
B: Yeah
F: Do you recall when the sheets were taken off the bed and stuff that the blood had soaked through to the mattress pad at all? Or mattress?
B: I don't know
F: You don't know, did you see or not?
B: No
pg 644
W: Did you turn the mattress over or anything like that?
B: No
Edit: Just wanted to add in that I almost laughed out loud when Brendan said he started cleaning at 9:50 to be home by 10. Just shows how he didn't see the crime scene he described- I've obviously never had to clean a crime scene like Brendan described (hopefully no one on here has had to lol) but if I had to guess how long it would take to clean up a room where someone's throat was slit, I'd say hours, and I'd be skeptical of if you could do it completely at all. All their cleaning was done in 10 minutes. It would be laughable if he wasn't sitting in prison for it.
I wonder if there are any WS members who have either been employed as crime scene cleanup or know someone/been around someone who has cleaned up a crime scene (professionally). I'd like to know the steps/details it takes. You're right-- 10 minutes is not a lot of time to clean up all traces of DNA.