Netflix to stream new documentary on Steven Avery - #2

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You can see the complete videos of both Brendan & SA [video=youtube;VTipx6RfTC0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTipx6RfTC0&list=PL7aG4xdJnM5QwSiGnLQgjtwC75jCKsVaF[/video], posted by Anonymous (OpAveryDassey).

Thanks, but Ive seen all of these.
The point I am making is that we don't have access to everything that was said to BD. Nobody does. Just him and the crooked investigators. I doubt BD clearly remembers any of it so unless one of these crooks is going to rat on himself or his crooked colleague, we will never know.
 
Do you mean Hillegas ? I haven't seen any testimony saying Bobby was in her voicemail.
Oops! I meant Mike Haibach. He spoke of checking her voicemail. The defense then asked a technician if any her voicemail could have been deleted bc people had allegedly called, and received a voicemail box full message.

That was in the documentary. Cannot remember which episode but I do think it was very early in the trial. I will try to find it and get back to you.

Eta ~ you can see Mike's testimony in episode 5, beginning at 28.40

Again, apologies for totally and completely, referring to the wrong person with regard to the voicemails.
 
Thanks, but Ive seen all of these.
The point I am making is that we don't have access to everything that was said to BD. Nobody does. Just him and the crooked investigators. I doubt BD clearly remembers any of it so unless one of these crooks is going to rat on himself or his crooked colleague, we will never know.
Wisconsin adopted a rule in 2005 that juvenile interrogations must be recorded, in response to the precedent setting case of State v Jerrell, CJ. This, of course, does not mean that LE did not violate that rule.
 
Wisconsin adopted a rule in 2005 that juvenile interrogations must be recorded, in response to the precedent setting case of State v Jerrell, CJ. This, of course, does not mean that LE did not violate that rule.

They did violate that rule, in the 2/27 evening interview, which they claim was due to equipment malfunction. I was going to try and do some research on case law for this issue, because LE was allowed at his trial to testify about what was said during the lost interview. Not sure on the legality of this, or if there was even any guiding case law on the issue, since the rule was so new.


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I still go with my gut that TH died at the hands of someone or more that had the most obvious motive.

And no, I don't believe Avery sat in prison thinking of murdering a business contact and making it look like LE was going to make it look like he was framed.....so.....he can say they framed him....what...my head hurts on that one.
 
I hear you. Barb doesn't come across as the brightest person either.

I also admit she might have even had the wrong day that this occurred, and brendan might not even know himself. They strike me as that kind of people honestly.

For example if the police said, do you have bleach in your house ? Or have you ever seen Steve using bleach ? Hell, she might have remembered that indeed once Brendan had bleach on his pants and said he had been helping steve clean the floor. I mean, it's plausible to me that it could have happened in july and she gets talked into maybe it was that day. I get it.

But then, you hear a coworker of tadych's makes a statement that Scott is worried about blood stains on his kids laundry being mixed in with his.

So, in my mind, there's too much of this laundry/bleach talk going on for it to not be highly probable that indeed it happened that day. Something happened that day with bleach, imo. And as I said, could be completely innocent and police twisted it. That I don't doubt. That is plausible.

I am with you on brendan 100%, he was saying whatever they wanted to hear so he could get back to school to see his girlfriend or whatever. I almost cried watching him listen to music after that one interview, because I could tell that's all he was thinking about - his girlfriend. He was starting to realize that he likely never sees her again. Very sad.

Bloodstains and bleach are two separate things. If Tadych remembers the one of the Dassey kids' bloody clothes being mixed in with his, why didn't Barb see blood on the pants? Surely that would be far more memorable than bleach. There are also other Dassey children in the residence, Tadych says nothing about whose pants they are. Brendan also states he got blood on his pants, but that he didn't wash them right away. So if that is true, Barb noticed bleach but not blood, and blood stains should have still been in the pants when police got them- blood is one of the hardest stains to get out of clothing, especially if it sits for awhile. Yet there were no bloodstains on Dasseys pants.

I can easily see the cops playing a game with the dates. Whenever Brendan gave them info that didn't jive with their narrative, they'd ask "are you sure that was the 31st" or something along those lines. Can easily see it being done with Barb.

This is why hearsay isn't allowed in court. Way too difficult to assess the truth value of the original statement when it comes from another person.


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The RAV4 was taken in a covered trailer to the crime lab in Madison, IIRC. Prior to that, it was left uncovered in the rain on the Avery property, against the advice of the forensic specialist from Madison.


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Had the DNA sample from the hood latch been collected prior to being left in rain?
 
Had the DNA sample from the hood latch been collected prior to being left in rain?

I don't believe any DNA collection was done until it arrived at the lab in Madison, but I could be wrong on that


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Could not get the hood open means whatever damage occurred to the hood was after SA's dna was left inside the hood. FWIW

from reading that link, it's my understanding that they were not able to open the hood because the vehicle was locked and they couldn't get to the "hood release" located inside the vehicle.
 
Thank you! I can't get anything out of Dropbox today either and it is driving me crazy.


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So it was a full profile they got from hood latch sample. April 3... Doesn't DNA degrade? Or no?
 
Bloodstains and bleach are two separate things. If Tadych remembers the one of the Dassey kids' bloody clothes being mixed in with his, why didn't Barb see blood on the pants? Surely that would be far more memorable than bleach. There are also other Dassey children in the residence, Tadych says nothing about whose pants they are. Brendan also states he got blood on his pants, but that he didn't wash them right away. So if that is true, Barb noticed bleach but not blood, and blood stains should have still been in the pants when police got them- blood is one of the hardest stains to get out of clothing, especially if it sits for awhile. Yet there were no bloodstains on Dasseys pants.

I can easily see the cops playing a game with the dates. Whenever Brendan gave them info that didn't jive with their narrative, they'd ask "are you sure that was the 31st" or something along those lines. Can easily see it being done with Barb.

This is why hearsay isn't allowed in court. Way too difficult to assess the truth value of the original statement when it comes from another person.


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Yes, I agree that we don't have the full story. As you said there are other children in the house. But if Tadych's first reaction to the avery arrest is in regards to blood, I find it suspicious.

I can't say for sure, but I think if the pants were bleached like described, I could see her focusing more on big white splotches as opposed to tiny red ones. I'd say it's very plausible that I might know that there is little blood spots on my pants with big bleach spots, but no one would notice them unless I pointed it out to them.

But saying there were no bloodstains on dassey's pant's 6 months later after hmmm how many washes ? Seems rather reasonable to expect the blood could be gone. But I'll admit I don't know how many times something has to be washed to have blood removed.


I do agree games could be played with Barb, just the same as brendan.

But in terms of plausibility and probability, I lean more towards brendan had bleach and blood on his pants. For all I know, he helped Tadych clean something up and he told brendan to say he helped steve. ya know ?

Or while doing the laundry, Tadych noticed the blood ?

But, in terms of what I have heard, I think I lean towards brendan having bleach and blood on his pants. Barb aware of the bleach. Tadych aware of the blood. Brendan oblivious to it all.

All just speculation of course, but I don't think it's a crazy theory. All I have to believe is statements/observations attributed to these people BEFORE police interviewed brendan.

I am just looking at 3 pieces of evidence that are separate and actually fit together, if you assume no one is lying or misremembering.
 

It didn't pick up the quote but it was in the last page or two when someone theorized that LE didn't kill Teresa, but just "came upon" her dead body and instead of looking for the real killer, who just happened to have killed her moments before, decided it would be a good time to frame SA. Those cops were certainly lucky that day!
 
Not to sound sexist but I really have a hard time imagining Tadych doing laundry.
 
It didn't pick up the quote but it was in the last page or two when someone theorized that LE didn't kill Teresa, but just "came upon" her dead body and instead of looking for the real killer, who just happened to have killed her moments before, decided it would be a good time to frame SA. Those cops were certainly lucky that day!

Ahhh yes. Well, it could be as simple as they came upon the evidence (I don't think they'd found the body) and assumed it was SA, and decided to bolster the evidence found by planting some. They could have honestly believed they had the right dude.
 
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