New book coming out by Paula Woodward

[Tortoise]

Major props to BoldBear for keeping us up to speed on this book. I wanted to read this book when it came out even though I knew much of it would be IDI nonsense. I mainly wanted to check it out since it had a few things we hadn't seen before like police reports mentioning Burke crying and of course the other fruit she had eaten. I've been reading a few other books since its release though(Ric Flair's book and one on Hinterkaifeck) so delayed buying it.

I was also intrigued by the 'squatter' theory even though I don't buy it.

I haven't heard about the police reports of Burke crying. Is it just in this book?

 

[BoldBear]

In this version of the story, both John and Patsy walked Burke out to the car. Until I find the reference, I take this as fiction.

“...Bundled in his winter jacket, Burke carried an armful of toys he had received for Christmas just the day before. He was crying. His parents hugged him tightly, trying to convey all the reassurance they could muster.”

Woodward, Paula. We Have Your Daughter: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét Ramsey Twenty Years Later (Kindle Locations 383-384). Easton Studio Press, LLC. Kindle Edition.

 

[Annapurna]

In this version of the story, both John and Patsy walked Burke out to the car. Until I find the reference, I take this as fiction.

“...Bundled in his winter jacket, Burke carried an armful of toys he had received for Christmas just the day before. He was crying. His parents hugged him tightly, trying to convey all the reassurance they could muster.”

Woodward, Paula. We Have Your Daughter: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét Ramsey Twenty Years Later (Kindle Locations 383-384). Easton Studio Press, LLC. Kindle Edition.

This doesn't make sense though because BR was driven to the Fernies from the Whites, not by his parents or from his own house. So this didn't happen unless they are saying it happened at some other point?


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[HarmonyE.]

In this version of the story, both John and Patsy walked Burke out to the car. Until I find the reference, I take this as fiction.

“...Bundled in his winter jacket, Burke carried an armful of toys he had received for Christmas just the day before. He was crying. His parents hugged him tightly, trying to convey all the reassurance they could muster.”

Woodward, Paula. We Have Your Daughter: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét Ramsey Twenty Years Later (Kindle Locations 383-384). Easton Studio Press, LLC. Kindle Edition.

The nauseating pro-Ramsey re-writing of history is over-the-top. And just serves to highlight the fact that she couldn't come up with genuinely nice things about these people.

Anyone thinking of buying this book - don't. You will be spending good money for nothing but higher blood pressure.

 

[Ambitioned]

This doesn't make sense though because BR was driven to the Fernies from the Whites, not by his parents or from his own house. So this didn't happen unless they are saying it happened at some other point?

That's right. IIRC he took his Nintendo and went with Fleet. Patsy stayed in the solarium doing her drama queen bit.

I'd trust gas station sushi more than I'd trust any Paula spin.

 

[Miz Adventure]

More:
http://www.simulstream.com/mp3.html

Loved this! Thanks for the link.

I read that Paula Woodward is saying that JBR not only had pineapple in her intestine but other fruit as well.

Is she actually trying to make us believe that this 'Intruder' brought a tin of fruit cocktail with him that night?

He forgot to bring a ransom note and the other items he would need - AND he forgot to take his victim with him - but he remembered to bring fruit.

She is trying to say the bowl of pineapple on the kitchen counter, with a spoon in it, was just a coincidence? Of course that would mean that Patsy and Burke's fingerprints are irrelevant on the bowl if it was actually fruit cocktail that JBR was given.

 

[HarmonyE.]

Loved this! Thanks for the link.

I read that Paula Woodward is saying that JBR not only had pineapple in her intestine but other fruit as well.

Is she actually trying to make us believe that this 'Intruder' brought a tin of fruit cocktail with him that night?

He forgot to bring a ransom note and the other items he would need - AND he forgot to take his victim with him - but he remembered to bring fruit.

She is trying to say the bowl of pineapple on the kitchen counter, with a spoon in it, was just a coincidence? Of course that would mean that Patsy and Burke's fingerprints are irrelevant on the bowl if it was actually fruit cocktail that JBR was given.

I think she was trying to imply that JBR ate fruit cocktail at the party. Very secret fruit cocktail. So pay no attention to the pineapple sitting on the counter, folks. Just walk right on by that. The Ramseys say she never left her bed until the stun gunning murderer sneaked in and zapped her. And so it must have been.

 

[Annapurna]

I think she was trying to imply that JBR ate fruit cocktail at the party. Very secret fruit cocktail. So pay no attention to the pineapple sitting on the counter, folks. Just walk right on by that. The Ramseys say she never left her bed until the stun gunning murderer sneaked in and zapped her. And so it must have been.

Lol, that cracked me up. What the hell is she on that she thinks these things make any sense? I propose "Paula's Razor": whenever the facts are inconvenient just ignore them and make something up that sounds better (could also be called Hillary's Razor, but I digress).

I think it was BoldBear who said "it's like she's trying to go back in time to plant evidence in the Ramsey house" and that is such a good way to phrase it.


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[DrollForeignFaction]

Here's Paula on the pineapple: http://www.westword.com/news/jonben...-book-john-ramsey-burke-did-it-claims-8362070

And then there was something else. One of the things I got — I call it a JonBenét murder book index. It was about 4,000 pages long and it had portions, summaries, sentences from police reports, and some from CBI and FBI that I was able to verify. It was fascinating, and one of the things in there was about that bowl of pineapple that so much was made of — to all of us. The picture of it, and how Burke's and Patsy's fingerprints were on the bowl. And Boulder police didn't take the contents of her stomach to be tested until October of 1997. Which is a long time. Took it to the University of Colorado. Two experts at the University of Colorado, they came back in January of 1998, and they came back with a report that said what was in her stomach was grapes, grape skins, cherries and pineapples. A fruit cocktail.

I asked one of the forensic pathologists and said, "Is this unusual to wait so long to test the stomach contents?" And he said, "In a high-profile case like this, you have to move everything forward really fast." And he said, "Knowing that, in relation to the pineapple, what you can say is, an hour before she was killed, JonBenét ate fruit cocktail." We don't know who fed it to her. There are no remnants left in the house that we know of.
[snip]
The documentation. The police reports. I have portions of thousands of police reports that I studied. I have tremendous amounts of information about things like the fruit cocktail, for example. The long delay, and then, after the testing, the realization that, gee, that pineapple might not be relevant because of the fruit cocktail. And in police reports I saw, there were no references to fruit cocktail. There are still people who talk about the pineapple being in her stomach, and partially it was. But there was also grapes, grape skins and cherries. That's pretty misleading.

So I wonder what exactly she has about the "fruit cocktail" that proves it was there. Seems like a pretty big deal if true, how much time does she devote to it in her book and how does she document it? She herself makes a point of how long it took police to take that to the lab and says "two" people who examined it came back with that report - perhaps implying others did not come to that conclusion upon examining the material? Considering the bizarre leaps of logic PW makes I wouldn't be surprised if she misread the report, even.

How much of the documentation she brags about is actually in the book? That was the only reason I considered buying it, if she published never-before-seen reports - NOT her summaries or interpretation of material only she has access to. Furthermore, what exactly is this book of "fragments," "lines," and "portions" from (classified?) material she has and who gave it to her? She should just publish that, it'd be more useful than her insane intruder theory.


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[Ambitioned]

Lol, that cracked me up. What the hell is she on that she thinks these things make any sense? I propose "Paula's Razor": whenever the facts are inconvenient just ignore them and make something up that sounds better (could also be called Hillary's Razor, but I digress).

You both crack me up!

 

[Ambitioned]

How much of the documentation she brags about is actually in the book? That was the only reason I considered buying it, if she published never-before-seen reports - NOT her summaries or interpretation of material only she has access to. Furthermore, what exactly is this book of "fragments," "lines," and "portions" from (classified?) material she has and who gave it to her? She should just publish that, it'd be more useful than her insane intruder theory.

What's bizarre is that she has "important" documents on her own website. But not the "fruit cocktail" one. Heavens no, us "plebs" aren't privvy to that stuff!

 

[DrollForeignFaction]

Exactly, ambitioned. Frankly there wasn't much on her site that wasn't already available, not sure why she's holding back the good stuff if there is any.



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[Ambitioned]

As my grandpa used to say, "She's as windy as a sack full o' farts."

 

[cee_]

If she was struggling to claw at the rope, where's the skin under her fingernails?

According to this site, there was male DNA found under her fingernails, but it didn't match any of the Ramsey men.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682463/DNA Evidence

 

[BBB167893]

According to this site, there was male DNA found under her fingernails, but it didn't match any of the Ramsey men.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682463/DNA Evidence

There are numerous problems with that fingernail DNA, cee_. For one, there were two male profiles and a female profile.

 

[Ambitioned]

Also I see a gloved hand touching her nails. Hard telling WHAT was on that glove. If you pick up one piece of evidence and then pick up another piece of evidence, you can transfer evidence from the first item to the second item.

I also read that there was a lack of care with the clippers and the descriptions of how the crime scene was compromised.

"Some of the DNA taken from the 6-year-old pageant queen's fingernails and underwear was "degraded," Wise said. He said the tool used to take samples wasn't clean.

"It had foreign DNA on it," he said."

Dr. Henry Lee told Carol McKinley the DNA under her fingernails was contaminated by contaminated nail clippers in 5/2001.

It's a damn shame really.

 

[otg]

(bbm)

Lol, that cracked me up. What the hell is she on that she thinks these things make any sense? I propose "Paula's Razor": whenever the facts are inconvenient just ignore them and make something up that sounds better (could also be called Hillary's Razor, but I digress).

I think it was BoldBear who said "it's like she's trying to go back in time to plant evidence in the Ramsey house" and that is such a good way to phrase it.

How about, "Wizard of Oz Razor?" ("Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.")

 

[otg]

As my grandpa used to say, "She's as windy as a sack full o' farts."

Good one, Ambitioned. Would your grandpa have also expressed an opinion on whether her opinions smelled worse than the contents of that sack?

 

[DrollForeignFaction]

I was just going through that Ramseys/PW interview I posted earlier and noticed something. This took place while they were promoting DOI and PW mentions Gov. Bill Owens' famous comments about the Rs hiding behind their lawyers, so it took place around Oct. 27, 1999. Check out Patsy's response to a question about the pineapple listed on the autopsy report at 7:50
"Well, I have not specifically read the autopsy report but it is my understanding that they are not definitive about whether the substance in her digestive system was pineapple or not."
http://www.9news.com/news/investiga...hos-who-in-the-jonbenet-ramsey-case/339914819

So she hasn't read the report but she has an "understanding" that there's controversy over whether it's pineapple ie: someone must have told her that. It jumped out at me that she came up with that because besides PW recently I can't recall anyone in anything I've read disputing that it was pineapple. Even Lou Smit felt compelled to fit it into his intruder theory even though it was ridiculous.

 

[k-mac]

DFF

she /they elude to havent read the autopsy report properly per lawyer instructions. cant answer what you dont know right?
pesky reporters and cops cant make one accountable for information unknown.
funny though she always manages to still say enough on topic about it. just flows wth her i dont knows dont recalls.
she has a special talent for evasion thats for sure.

she knows whats in that report like the back of her hand. how in the world could you not???