New developments in unsolved Jennings murders

[MeoW333]

You may find this interesting….it is a description (verbatim) of route options available in that area as explained to me by someone that lives in and is familiar with the area:

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There are all kinds of ways to get to I-10 between Welsh and Jennings. There are many dirt roads and such that intermingle, and if you know them, you can reach the highway with ease. This is one reason drugs are so easily passed between Houston and New Orleans. Some of the roads off I-10 don't even look like roads but more like dead end lanes or driveways. Ya take a left here and a right here, go around the corner and down the path and you are on 90. But you have to know the area so that you know which are dead ends and which will take you thru. Also, the cops are creatures of habit. They do patrol alot of these off shoot roads, looking for the party's and such, usually on time, each time."

This is exactly what i was trying to describe, thank you, Mahmoo!
At one point (or 2 points) there was words involving a pick up truck. A pick up truck or truck with 4 wheel drive would be useful for a perp taking the road less taken. Also, i'm sure alot of pickup trucks and types would blend in in the area, as it's more country. The killer might drive a large SUV or pick up, as it's a power trip.

 

[mahmoo]

All the victims were found on roads that were relatively close to the location of the airport. Is there any local pilots that may live in Jennings, yet may fly out for either work or fun?

There is a lot of farming in that area thus the need for crop dusting so many in that area do hold pilot's licenses. Another consideration in regards to that airport is the possibility that a large portion of the drugs that seem to be plaguing the area may be coming in through there.

 

[concernedperson]

I appreciate that drugs are a big problem in that community as well as other communities but I have to disagree that this is the sole problem. If it were just drugs you would see a lot of drive by shootings or mass shootings. This is what happens in Atlanta over turf wars or pizzed off clients. Not a picking and choosing over vulnerable young women.

I truly believe this is a serial. The fact that they knew each other even remotely has more to do with this being a very small town, with very few options.And, entertainment is fast food joints and casual drugs. I think the drug use is secondary to the reason they were murdered, and a possible control method for the serial.

It is interesting that a local commented on dirt roads and other accesses to I 10. Is it possible that there are abandoned buildings along these routes? Crime scenes? Given the clues that some had their throats cut there should be a good amount of blood in a location or trace evidence in a vehicle.

 

[mahmoo]

I appreciate that drugs are a big problem in that community as well as other communities but I have to disagree that this is the sole problem. If it were just drugs you would see a lot of drive by shootings or mass shootings. This is what happens in Atlanta over turf wars or pizzed off clients. Not a picking and choosing over vulnerable young women.

I truly believe this is a serial. The fact that they knew each other even remotely has more to do with this being a very small town, with very few options.And, entertainment is fast food joints and casual drugs. I think the drug use is secondary to the reason they were murdered, and a possible control method for the serial.

It is interesting that a local commented on dirt roads and other accesses to I 10. Is it possible that there are abandoned buildings along these routes? Crime scenes? Given the clues that some had their throats cut there should be a good amount of blood in a location or trace evidence in a vehicle.

From what I understand there any many abandoned, run down houses for sure.....don't know about commerical bldgs.

I whole-heartedly agree about the drug issue being secondary. Like some else here said.....lots of small towns and rural areas have drug issues.....the vast majority don't have young women that all know each other dying mysteriously.......it's a serial killer alright. Thought crossed my mind it could be more than one person though, they know each other.......and they've each killed.

 

[MeoW333]

I appreciate that drugs are a big problem in that community as well as other communities but I have to disagree that this is the sole problem. If it were just drugs you would see a lot of drive by shootings or mass shootings. This is what happens in Atlanta over turf wars or pizzed off clients. Not a picking and choosing over vulnerable young women.

I truly believe this is a serial. The fact that they knew each other even remotely has more to do with this being a very small town, with very few options.And, entertainment is fast food joints and casual drugs. I think the drug use is secondary to the reason they were murdered, and a possible control method for the serial.

It is interesting that a local commented on dirt roads and other accesses to I 10. Is it possible that there are abandoned buildings along these routes? Crime scenes? Given the clues that some had their throats cut there should be a good amount of blood in a location or trace evidence in a vehicle.

Being that it is a small town, the fast food restaurants seem to be in a strip, i wonder if a lot hang out there? I, too believe it is serial and not about drugs. The face that the girls may be on drugs only make them easier pickings for the killer. Turf wars for drugs are as you described, with drive bys and the like. These were all women, no dead men that we know of. I think the local LE likes to throw "drugs" into their statements about this case a lot. While they need to clean up their drug problem, even doing that won't stop their serial killer. He eventually will get bold and move over across to the other side of the tracks. If and when that happens, i am curious as to what LE's take will be then.
There also might be some abandoned hunting cabins off I-10 they could look for. Seems a lot of land and farmland.

 

[MeoW333]

There is a lot of farming in that area thus the need for crop dusting so many in that area do hold pilot's licenses. Another consideration in regards to that airport is the possibility that a large portion of the drugs that seem to be plaguing the area may be coming in through there.

It wouldn't surprise me about drugs coming in through the airport.
I'm also wondering if the killer is a pilot who can fly in and out in his own plane to another area. I wonder if anyone's flight schedule matches any patterns in the girls being killed?

 

[concernedperson]

Being that it is a small town, the fast food restaurants seem to be in a strip, i wonder if a lot hang out there? I, too believe it is serial and not about drugs. The face that the girls may be on drugs only make them easier pickings for the killer. Turf wars for drugs are as you described, with drive bys and the like. These were all women, no dead men that we know of. I think the local LE likes to throw "drugs" into their statements about this case a lot. While they need to clean up their drug problem, even doing that won't stop their serial killer. He eventually will get bold and move over across to the other side of the tracks. If and when that happens, i am curious as to what LE's take will be then.
There also might be some abandoned hunting cabins off I-10 they could look for. Seems a lot of land and farmland.

I think a thorough search of abandoned buildings is in order. I know that probable cause is an issue but if cadaver dogs were roaming around and hit on something a warrant could be obtained. Guts to open LE/FBI.

 

[mahmoo]

I think a thorough search of abandoned buildings is in order. I know that probable cause is an issue but if cadaver dogs were roaming around and hit on something a warrant could be obtained. Guts to open LE/FBI.

And I think that’s an excellent idea!!!! There’s GOT to be evidence somewhere. It could be a daunting task though.

LE has said they don’t feel the victims were killed/died where they were found. One in particular, Whitnei Dubois, was found lying on the road at an intersection. Although it was a rural area, the roads were traveled on a regular basis by residents and farmers. LE estimated she had been dead for a few days so stands to reason her body was being held elsewhere prior to being dumped (I hate that term).

Here is some interesting second-hand information regarding the abandoned property in Jeff Davis Parish. The last paragraph is a particularly interesting thought.

There are a lot of deserted, run down buildings in Jennings, starting from right before the tracks and getting worse over the tracks. A lot of them are two-story with broken windows and such. The further you go to the south side the worse it gets. Those are the ones that the city is threatening to tear down……that and the houses. The south side is your typical (for lack of a better word) slum area.

Toward the north side, the buildings that are empty are pretty well kept up for the most part.

In Roanoke, Welsh and Lake Arthur, the empty buildings in town are close to the center of town, and if not kept up, they are at least closed off and visited frequently. Used for storage and stuff. Way too many comings and goings to be used for anything illegal for very long. The roads to and from are dotted with long-abandoned old barns, houses, sheds, and such.

On the other hand, it could be possible that the killings are taking place at a hunting camp, or even just a cove out in the woods that abound in this place. The bayou intermingles throughout here and would be handy to wash off……..the floods would wash away any evidence until the next time…..no screams would be heard and time would not be an issue.

 

[MeoW333]

Is there any way we could geographically profile these cases by where the bodies were found?
Here's a link to Mahmoo's map of bodies found:
http://i44.tinypic.com/sgtmz9.jpg

Here's a link to the Sonic and Wendy's:
http://i39.tinypic.com/k0rhir.jpg

Mahmoo, i love these maps, how do you do? I can never get them to link right lol

Also, the Subway appears to be on the corner of Elton Rd and Shankland Ave, which is the same Elton Rd (not far distance from the Sonic, Wendys)

Burger King is different and seems to be right near the local exit off I-10 before Elton Rd is you were driving east to west.

 

[MeoW333]

:blowkiss:Mahmoo, can you made a map of where the bodies were found and have the map include the train tracks as well?
I need to learn how to do this..

 

[MeoW333]

March 8th, 2007 Thursday Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez goes missing

May 17, 2007 Thursday Loretta Lynna Chaisson last seen

May 28th, 2008 Wednesday Laconia Shontel "Muggy" Brown last seen (found dead hours later)

August 27, 2008 Wednesday Crystal Benoit Zeno last seen


Nov 2, 2008 Sunday Brittney Gary last seen

5 of the girls went missing on a Thursday or Wednesday, with the exception of 2, Whitnei Dubois and Ernestine Patterson, who we're not sure when they went missing.

Thank you, Mahmoo, once again for your helpful site:
http://www.scribd.com/group/63175-jennings-la-murders-serial-killings

If anyone is good at math and could pinpoint better when Dubois and Patterson were last seen or went missing, or can subtract an estimate from when they were found dead.

Looks like the killer prefers to grab the girls on Thursdays and Wednesdays. With the exception of Brittney Gary who was last seen on a Sunday. This might help us find a pattern in the killers life that he prefers certain days over others.

 

[AmandaBrown23]

March 8th, 2007 Thursday Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez goes missing

May 17, 2007 Thursday Loretta Lynna Chaisson last seen

May 28th, 2008 Wednesday Laconia Shontel "Muggy" Brown last seen (found dead hours later)

August 27, 2008 Wednesday Crystal Benoit Zeno last seen


Nov 2, 2008 Sunday Brittney Gary last seen

5 of the girls went missing on a Thursday or Wednesday, with the exception of 2, Whitnei Dubois and Ernestine Patterson, who we're not sure when they went missing.

Thank you, Mahmoo, once again for your helpful site:
http://www.scribd.com/group/63175-jennings-la-murders-serial-killings

If anyone is good at math and could pinpoint better when Dubois and Patterson were last seen or went missing, or can subtract an estimate from when they were found dead.

Looks like the killer prefers to grab the girls on Thursdays and Wednesdays. With the exception of Brittney Gary who was last seen on a Sunday. This might help us find a pattern in the killers life that he prefers certain days over others.

Its interesting that you found that and pointed it out. Maybe this is our perps day off from work?? Could be or maybe just the day he prefers. So strange. And to add to other peoples thoughts. There are several run down abandoned houses, none of which are seen from I-10. You can only see resteraunts and like Wal-Mart from the interstate. Its so small thats why I am so shocked that no one has a clue or isnt comming forward with anything because someone has to know.

 

[mahmoo]

Here's one I already had done of body locations.....if you put your mouse arrow on left edge of map and drag it to the left the map can be enlarged. You can also zoom in and out. You can see where the railroad tracks run through town. Also if you left click on hold down you can move the map east, west etc.

I'll be out til later this afternoon but will happy to do other maps then.

As for mapping the fast food locations.....I understand there may be some discrepancies with the info we have. Hopefully, I can get further clarification on this because I'm not certain which info in incorrect. Apparently the news media reported some inaccurate info.

 

[MeoW333]

Its interesting that you found that and pointed it out. Maybe this is our perps day off from work?? Could be or maybe just the day he prefers. So strange. And to add to other peoples thoughts. There are several run down abandoned houses, none of which are seen from I-10. You can only see resteraunts and like Wal-Mart from the interstate. Its so small thats why I am so shocked that no one has a clue or isnt comming forward with anything because someone has to know.

The killed has to be familiar with the Jennings area, either lives there, has lived there, has friends and family there. Maybe he takes I-10 to work and then cuts through Jennings on his way home, or vice versa.

The 3rd victim's body, Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez, was found a considerable distance from the others:

http://i44.tinypic.com/sgtmz9.jpg

The 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th victim's bodies were found in a closer cluster.
The 1st and 7th victim's bodies were more spread apart and heading towards the left. The 3rd, Lopez, was found south and to the left. He went out of his way to dispose of her body. Maybe something was going on at his other dumping grounds at the time where victims 2, 4, 5 and 6 were found. Something caused him to deviate from his dumping cluster.

#7 Brittney Gary and #3 Kristen Gary Lopez are related and their bodies were found much farther out than the others. Lopez' being the farthest out.

They were all known to know each other and quite a few worked at the fast food cluster off of Elton Rd, near the I-10 exit to Jennings. If the killer had seen them at the fast food places, then he'd be coming towards Jennings from I-10 going east from west. Burger King seems to be moreso off I-10 going towards the exit for Jennings.
Maybe the killer takes I-10 to work and back?

 

[MeoW333]

Here's one I already had done of body locations.....if you put your mouse arrow on left edge of map and drag it to the left the map can be enlarged. You can also zoom in and out. You can see where the railroad tracks run through town. Also if you left click on hold down you can move the map east, west etc.

I'll be out til later this afternoon but will happy to do other maps then.

As for mapping the fast food locations.....I understand there may be some discrepancies with the info we have. Hopefully, I can get further clarification on this because I'm not certain which info in incorrect. Apparently the news media reported some inaccurate info.

Thank you so much, Mahmoo I am checking the live map now
Hopefully he can get the correct info down the news media messed up on..

 

[MeoW333]

Victims 1, 2, 3 were all found in drainage canals.
#1. Grand Marais drainage canal off LA 1126 (found by fisherman)
#2. drainage canal off LA 102
#3. PetitJean Canal off LA 99 (found by fisherman)
#4. intersection of Bobby and Earl Duhon Rds
#5. East Racca Road (near the police shooting range)
#6. dry canal a couple miles southeast of Jennings
#7. off Keystone Rd, in the grass, 1/2 mile south of LA 1126

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v...=0&phscl=1&cid=60C91F7C872664B2!165&encType=1

Victim #'s 7,1,2,6 almost form a line along LA 1126

Victim #3 is found very far from the others. southwest of them. Almost like the killer took LA 1126 to LA 99 and south to dispose of the body.

Victim #4 is left at an intersection lying on a rural road. The killer wants to be recognized and is not hiding his victims in canals as the first 3 were.

Victim #5 was found on East Racca Rd which leads to a police shooting range. It's almost as if the killer is begging to be recognized and taunting police. Bleach was poured on her to destroy evidence

Victim #6 killer back to using canals as a "dumping spot"

Victim #7 went missing Nov 2, 2008 on the way to the Family Dollar Store, located at 414 W Plaquemine St in Jennings; her body was found Nov 15, 2008 off Keystone Rd, a 1/2 mile south of LA 1126, the killer is moving further out away from his previous "dumping spots"

 

[mahmoo]

The 3rd victim's body, Kristen Elizabeth Gary Lopez, was found a considerable distance from the others

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What is also interesting and worth consideration with this particular death is that 1 year 9-1/2 months had passed since the body prior to hers was found .

Will check back in later this afternoon.....carry on :blowkiss:.

 

[concernedperson]

Victims 1 and 2, Loretta Lewis and Ernestine Patterson were both last seen around mid month in May and June 2005 respectfully. The remains were found 5/21/2005 and 6/18/2005.

Victims 3 and 4, Elizabeth Lopez and Whitnei Dubois were both last seen around the first of the month in March and May 2007. The remains were found 3/18/2007 and 5/12/2007.

Victim # 5, Muggy Brown was last seen 5/28/08 and found later the same day by the police shooting range . Bleach was poured over the remains to eliminate evidence. This police shooting range was on a dirt road and wouldn't be known to someone who isn't local. Also, Ms. Brown's murder is not in a "pair"

Victims 6 and 7, Crystal Zeno and Brittany Gary were both last seen around the end of the prior month or beginning of a month. Crystal Zeno was found 9/11/2008 and believed to have been last seen in late August 2008. Brittany Gary seen on November 2,2008 and found on November 15,2008.

The pattern that emerges seems to be some kind of rotation, like a work rotation with the women being killed in pairs within a relatively short time frame and similar days/times of the month. With the exception of Muggy Brown who was killed and found in plain view hours after her murder.

 

[MeoW333]

Victims 1 and 2, Loretta Lewis and Ernestine Patterson were both last seen around mid month in May and June 2005 respectfully. The remains were found 5/21/2005 and 6/18/2005.

Victims 3 and 4, Elizabeth Lopez and Whitnei Dubois were both last seen around the first of the month in March and May 2007. The remains were found 3/18/2007 and 5/12/2007.

Victim # 5, Muggy Brown was last seen 5/28/08 and found later the same day by the police shooting range . Bleach was poured over the remains to eliminate evidence. This police shooting range was on a dirt road and wouldn't be known to someone who isn't local. Also, Ms. Brown's murder is not in a "pair"

Victims 6 and 7, Crystal Zeno and Brittany Gary were both last seen around the end of the prior month or beginning of a month. Crystal Zeno was found 9/11/2008 and believed to have been last seen in late August 2008. Brittany Gary seen on November 2,2008 and found on November 15,2008.

The pattern that emerges seems to be some kind of rotation, like a work rotation with the women being killed in pairs within a relatively short time frame and similar days/times of the month. With the exception of Muggy Brown who was killed and found in plain view hours after her murder.

Awesome, CP :blowkiss: it's also like he's playing cards with LE, although LE doesn't seem to really want to "play back", they're not as interested as they should be.
He's killing in pairs... I see the pattern, Muggy Brown seems like a "wild card" he left as a taunt, pouring bleach on her even, to rid of evidence.
I wonder why he's killing them in pairs? Does he not have time in his schedule to space them out more.. his cooling off period seems.. this is so odd..

 

[concernedperson]

Awesome, CP :blowkiss: it's also like he's playing cards with LE, although LE doesn't seem to really want to "play back", they're not as interested as they should be.
He's killing in pairs... I see the pattern, Muggy Brown seems like a "wild card" he left as a taunt, pouring bleach on her even, to rid of evidence.
I wonder why he's killing them in pairs? Does he not have time in his schedule to space them out more.. his cooling off period seems.. this is so odd..

With my exercise posted above I don't think Muggy Brown was a victim of the serial killer but rather a local killer. The murder doesn't fit with the pattern mentioned above. I think it is some sort of serial killer ritual, the paired killings, the timing, and possibly a personal work schedule dictating how he does this.

Also if he is not killing somewhere else then he has escalated. 2 killings in 2005, No killings in 2006, 2 killings in 2007, 2-3 killings in 2008, so if his pattern holds true there should be other attempts around March 2009.

BTW, thanks for the compliment. :blowkiss: