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My question was....because he was up at 4 am does that mean he had to have gone to HT at that time? Because it sounded that way from mom's post.

Heck it is 3 30 am here and I am up. I woke up and am having a snack.

I don't believe mom meant that at all, that he HAD to have gone to HT at 4 a.m. because he was up then. NO, I think it means there is MORE of a chance that he DID go at 4 a.m., because he has admitted he was UP at that time.

You see, per previous information we've learned, it was NORMAL MO for Brad to get up at, I believe something like 6 a.m.....YET, on the exact day NC goes missing and is murdered, Brad's NORMAL activity has changed. He's up two hours earlier than normal, (unconfirmed) that he went to the store at 4 a.m., AND then again at 6:15 and then 6:30-6:45, AND he suddenly becomes Suzie homemaker and cleans the house and does several tubs of wash. NC's friends said Brad NEVER did housework nor wash, NC's sister Krista said he was uncooperative with NC with getting the house in order to sell, and LE learned immediately it was UNUSUAL for BC to 'clean and wash.'

Nah, Brad being up at 4:00 a.m., at the least proves he had two additional hours (under cover of darkness) to dispose of Nancy's body AND to (stage) clean-up the house and cars.

Remember, LE DID take the carpet or floorboard of the TRUNK of BC's car! Frankly, I think that's MUCH more important than whether BC went to 2 or 3 trips to HT the morning of Nancy's murder. Oh,........AND the FACT that he did indeed, purchase LAUNDRY detergent! ;)

JMHO
fran
 
What evidence could he possible have been cleaning up given the way she died?

Things could have gotten knocked over, something could spill...he could be afraid her hair, saliva, urine, feces would be detectable. He sure did a LOT of laundry that morning...I think in his depo he said 3 loads of towels alone. Why did he vacuum his car trunk (for a 'gas spill') 2 - 4 weeks after this 'spill?'

If he was expecting Nancy back after a run (so he could go play tennis at 9:30am) why would Nancy have expected him to have cleaned most of the house in the 1 hr she would have been gone running? He cleaned for 4+ hours (perhaps longer). He wasn't concerned, he wasn't aggravated to be missing tennis plans that Nancy herself gave permission to the night before, he wasn't looking for Nancy until it became clear that JA was going to come over...he was cleaning (and cleaning, and laundering).

Nancy would probably have been happy that he was making an effort to help out for the 1 hr or so that her run should have taken until she got home (maybe up to 2 hrs if you want to be generous about it). Afterall, Nancy gave her permission the night before for him to be playing tennis w/MH at 9:30am.

Nancy would have probably come home before going over to JA's house. Certainly JA called early (as early as 8:30am according to testimony at the custody hearing) so he knew she wasn't at JA's. What did Brad do in response to learning his wife hadn't gone to JA's as expected by JA?

He Cleaned.

And Cleaned some more.

And what was Nancy MOST upset about? The fact that he did not give her $300 as normal on that Friday morning. He "forgot." She called him on Friday @ work to tell him she didn't have any money.

On Saturday morning he could have gone to get it, but he didn't...he didn't even 'try.' Didn't do it the night before either.

Sat. morning Brad wasn't getting the money his wife needed and was customary to get the day before. Nope. What was Brad doing? Cleaning. Know why? Because he knew Nancy wasn't ever going to spend another dollar again and therefore there was no need to get money out of the bank for her.
 
My opinion of the cleaning (I've exlained this before) with the assumption that BC didn't do it. So again, I'm explaining this as if BC did not kill NC. If he did not, and he said in his deposition that he still loved his wife and wanted the marriage to work...then it explains the cleaning. He cleaned the week before, but obviously no where near the standards that she has. So he was intent on proving himself that weekend. Again, I'm not trying to change your mind, but I can see this as a valid reason for him cleaning. Besides, why is everyone focused on him cleaning the house from top to bottom. She was strangled, so this wasn't a bloody mess he needed to clean up. Her body might have released urine or feces, but that wouldn't have been much to clean up (although it could explain the need to do laundry). But even if there was a small struggle, he still wouldn't have needed to scrub the house. So for me, him doing so makes more sense that he was trying to prove himself than it was trying to clean up evidence. What evidence could he possible have been cleaning up given the way she died?

Well, I'll tell ya, after watching a NUMBER of these cases unfold here on Websleuths, there's one reason for a guy, who has the REPUTATION of NEVER cleaning house or DOING WASH, to clean and do wash on the EXACT day his wife disappears and later shows up murdered, it's to clean up any unknown evidence. Oh, sure there's going to be dna from both, they live there,.........BUT there's always the unknown evidence LE looks for. The smatter of dna where it shouldn't be. The broken nail, where it shouldn't be, that fits like a piece of puzzle to the victim. The piece of jewelry (ie earring) one still on the victim. A possible urine soaked comforter, vomit tested back to the victim in the entryway,.............vegetative matter in the trunk of the car matching what the wife ate ealier in the evening,............hair of the victim in the trunk of the car..........

It's either clean the house or car or wherever the crime occurred,...........or burn it down (which has also been known as a standard MO, and definitely recently!)

When it's NOT normal MO for the suspect to clean, it's suspicious that he suddenly starts cleaning.

Of course he's denied all allegations of abuse towards his wife and that he's CLAIMED he was 'Super Dad' YET everyone else who knew the couple while they were a couple completely deny that is true. I didn't really expect Brad to admit he wasn't Mr. Perfect and he was Suzie Homemaker. Of course he THINKS he's a prize catch, although his WIFE knew the truth. The deadly truth.

One common bond with these guys is they all believe they're smarter than everyone else, especially LE, AND that if they lie enough, people will believe them. After all, they've gotten this far in life with hiding their dark secrets. PLUS, the one person they inflicted the most damage to is no longer here to dispute what they say, so naturally everyone will believe them.

In this case, I believe Brad has been taken completely off guard with HOW MANY of Nancy's friends and family know EXACTLY what he was REALLY like and he underestimated the reaction of LE. Just because he just got his MBA earlier this year, doesn't mean he wouldn't murder his wife. Everyone knows that, ESPECIALLY LE.......Murdering husbands cross all scocio/economic lines. As a matter of fact, IMO, the more educated ones think they have a better chance of getting away with murder because they are so smart. The only problem is,..............their degree is NOT in murder. :mad:

I approached this case not thinking anything, one way or the other. I wasn't even there in Cary and it only took me a few days to figure out Brad did it. I'm sure LE had him pegged within an hour. That's about how long it took LE to become suspicious of Scott Peterson. Of course, as in this case, it took a few additional months to collect the 'evidence' the husband was involved. Circumstantial, yes,.............but it still spells m.u.r.d.e.r!

JMHO
fran
 
I finally listened to Depo tape #7 since this has not become a high priority on my list of to do's since BC is now :behindbar where he belongs.

Does anyone find it strange for a man who doesn't do laundry knows he had Dreft on the shelf? Wrong purchase perhaps once he read the label?

How about him stating to not giving Katie milk because they have been told to stop. But yet NC gets up was NOT too happy about having no milk in the house to give Katie? So if she was upset by this doesn't anyone find it strange he didn't go sooner to the store than after 6am than wrestle with a child for 2 hours at that time of the morning? Doesn't sound like NC was ending Katie milk drinking. Was Katie really up @4am, when he stated in his affidavit he got ready for the girls to get up after he returned from getting milk?

Det Daniels IMO saw thru all of this also.

Actually, I missed that. But the fact that he knows what Dreft is might show that he has done laundry before for the girls.
 
Actually, I missed that. But the fact that he knows what Dreft is might show that he has done laundry before for the girls.

I think you might have a point there. What is Dreft specifically designed for ?
 
Okay - thanks. No infants here recently, and I have been warned that operating a washing machine may well result in a good thrashing. :crazy:

Although I know what it is, my wife won't let me get anywhere near the washing machine with our daughters clothes. It will be the same with our new daughter (due in a week or so). I guess she isn't fond of how I wash my clothes.
 
Although I know what it is, my wife won't let me get anywhere near the washing machine with our daughters clothes. It will be the same with our new daughter (due in a week or so). I guess she isn't fond of how I wash my clothes.

I can relate to that ! :)
 
I was spoiled for years...a BF I lived with used to do all the laundry, including mine too. He wasn't half bad at it either! He like to cook too.
 
I don't get what you are trying to prove. Maybe they emailed him what K&B posted and that is in a different format. Who cares that what you printed out doesn't match what is posted on K&Bs website. I can see in the video that he purchased 3 items from the 2 trips. He purchased milk, detergent, and a can of something. Do you see something different? Again, what are you trying to prove or show with this?
If they are trying to say that was the receipt that Brad was given from the store, it should have been the actual copy and done in the same format as her receipt. With definite differences then it does beg to question if the receipt they are showing on the website is 1) from the same store, 2) is an actual receipt, 3) has it been altered?

I care that what they printed out from the store doesn't match Brad's. What is the reason for this? I do not trust his attorneys, obviously. Nor should we!! They are working off any and every fabrication laid out by Brad to try to weave some sense of logic into it for a jury to buy into. Telling the truth isn't their job.

(Btw~ People shouldn't be rude to others on here. "Who cares" is not what I would start out my sentences with around here.)
 
If they present those receipts at the trial and they are not what HT printed, there will (I'm sure) be discussion among the attorneys if these are not HT receipts. For their website they may have doctored up the receipts to make it more obvious to the general public ... at a trial they have to present copies as obtained from HT or the evidence won't pass muster and be submitted. I wouldn't get too worked-up over how they are graphically presenting things on their website...since that is not a courtroom and there is no legal implication or case outcome from what they put on a website. The real question is what will the receipts they actually submit as legal evidence look like?
 
My opinion of the cleaning (I've exlained this before) with the assumption that BC didn't do it. So again, I'm explaining this as if BC did not kill NC. If he did not, and he said in his deposition that he still loved his wife and wanted the marriage to work...then it explains the cleaning. He cleaned the week before, but obviously no where near the standards that she has. So he was intent on proving himself that weekend. Again, I'm not trying to change your mind, but I can see this as a valid reason for him cleaning. Besides, why is everyone focused on him cleaning the house from top to bottom. She was strangled, so this wasn't a bloody mess he needed to clean up. Her body might have released urine or feces, but that wouldn't have been much to clean up (although it could explain the need to do laundry). But even if there was a small struggle, he still wouldn't have needed to scrub the house. So for me, him doing so makes more sense that he was trying to prove himself than it was trying to clean up evidence. What evidence could he possible have been cleaning up given the way she died?

I've thought a lot about the cleaning too and I'm sure you know my stance on things....guilty as hell. Anyway, even though cause of death was strangulation, how do we know there was not a fight beforehand. Nancy was tall, fit, and IMO would fight him like a mad tigress.

I personally don't think he just came up behind her, strangled her for 4+ minutes and she was dead. I think they argued as soon as she got home....primarily over the way she spoke to him at the party and the money he didn't give her. I think he'd had time to simmer and get even madder before she came home and they really had a HUGE fight. Things escalated, they moved around different rooms of the house....I tend to think downstairs since the girls were asleep upstairs. I can even see Nancy slapping him or BC hitting her. Maybe there was blood...even a small amount would neccesitate cleaning, especially if the blood was shed during movement, he wouldn't know for sure how/where to clean to remove it all so it would be better to clean everything/every inch to insure all blood was gone. Again, I'm not talking about lots of blood, just a small amount of blood and blood mixed with saliva from getting hit in the face, however, even a tiny amount would cause worry and excessive cleaning.

I think this fighting and moving around the downstairs messed up the house...of course it would. Nancy went upstairs to go to bed and this is where I think he finally strangled her. I think he followed her upstairs, by this time extremely mad, and just snapped and strangled her. I think she put up a hell of a struggle, knocking things over, grabbing at him, grabbing at doors, walls, furniture, etc. If she had any blood on her fingers..from herself or scratching him as she was strangled this blood was everywwhere she touched, everywhere. She released her urine/bowels....maybe in more than one place as they moved around.

So yes, I personally think he a a LOT to clean up...not a lot of blood, urine, etc, but a lot of area to clean to effectively remove even this little amount. Being the intelligent person he is, I think he cleaned like a madman to get rid of all evidence of a struggle and any blood, saliva, DNA that was spread all over the house from their fight.

JMO but I can see him cleaning for hours and hours in an attempt to remove any evidence of a struggle and of course the murder.
 
If I needed to do laundry but there was none of my usual detergent, but there was Dreft, I'd use the Dreft. I'd especially use Dreft before I'd go out to the grocery store that early in the morning. Dreft works. Tide HE comes in various formulas, such as one with bleach. Would that show on the receipt? Oh wait. That Tide w/without bleach thing has gotten so boring. Nevermind on that. But he could have used the Dreft! Why did he mention he had Dreft in the first place? Probably because he knew that LE had seen it and would ask BC why he didn't just use the Dreft.:confused:

BTW, I remember receiving a box of Dreft from the hospital when I had my first baby. They gave out gift bags to new moms.
 
If they are trying to say that was the receipt that Brad was given from the store, it should have been the actual copy and done in the same format as her receipt. With definite differences then it does beg to question if the receipt they are showing on the website is 1) from the same store, 2) is an actual receipt, 3) has it been altered?

I care that what they printed out from the store doesn't match Brad's. What is the reason for this? I do not trust his attorneys, obviously. Nor should we!! They are working off any and every fabrication laid out by Brad to try to weave some sense of logic into it for a jury to buy into. Telling the truth isn't their job.

(Btw~ People shouldn't be rude to others on here. "Who cares" is not what I would start out my sentences with around here.)

I wasn't being rude. I was saying that you could see in the video what he was purchasing, and that matched what was shown on the receipt. I don't know why the receipt is in a different format, but I don't think it matters because you can see what he was buying.
 
Tarheel, I have several scenarios in my head of BC killing NC. One scenario is that BC and NC are engaged in verbal fighting. Maybe he reminds her that her necklace was paid for by his money. Maybe he tried to jerk it off her neck. Or, he could have made the faint impression from the necklace on her neck during the time he strangled her. That's only one of my scenarios. I really wish the real one would surface.
 
If I needed to do laundry but there was none of my usual detergent, but there was Dreft, I'd use the Dreft. I'd especially use Dreft before I'd go out to the grocery store that early in the morning. Dreft works. Tide HE comes in various formulas, such as one with bleach. Would that show on the receipt? Oh wait. That Tide w/without bleach thing has gotten so boring. Nevermind on that. But he could have used the Dreft! Why did he mention he had Dreft in the first place? Probably because he knew that LE had seen it and would ask BC why he didn't just use the Dreft.:confused:

BTW, I remember receiving a box of Dreft from the hospital when I had my first baby. They gave out gift bags to new moms.
For a man who can't remember certain facts, like someone's last name he was engaged to, he can remember the Dreft! :waitasec: This is a man who didn't do laundry. KL testified to never ever seeing him do it, NC friends stated it in their affidavits.

If they had a HE washer he couldn't/shouldn't use Dreft. So this brings the next question, why have it there on the shelf? If they don't have a HE washer why not use it when they both supposedly had plans that morning?

The next part of the depo I heard him say he seperated the clothes, so
a) did he begin them and use all the detergent and NOT remember to get it on his 1st round to HT?
b) did NC do the 1st load and fail to call him that they needed it?
c) he states how upset she was upset for not having any, so don't you think she would have been just as upset when she began the 1st load and it was just about empty?
d) how long does a load take? He says the 1st load had finished when he got home from buying milk. So a load had to begin before he left.

Even better, he has on his affidavit #167, "he noticed they were out."
Also in #167 he states he got ready to get the girls up, but wait....Katie was UP!!!:bang:

IMO, a web of LIES BC has spun for himself.
 
Yes Mom....he's spun a good web at that. I think his "over-explanations" did him much harm with LE and his not testifiying at the hearing just sealed it for him IMO.
 
Tarheel, I have several scenarios in my head of BC killing NC. One scenario is that BC and NC are engaged in verbal fighting. Maybe he reminds her that her necklace was paid for by his money. Maybe he tried to jerk it off her neck. Or, he could have made the faint impression from the necklace on her neck during the time he strangled her. That's only one of my scenarios. I really wish the real one would surface.

We'll know sooner or later. Some have said they think a year+ until trial, but I don't think it will be that long. Also I don't see him copping a plea, which by the way I don't think one will be offered anyway, so we'll learn at trial what LE surmises went on that night/morning.

We'll learn of Judge Sasser's reason for granting temporty custody to the
Rentzs soon and this will tell us lots IMO.
 
Yes Mom....he's spun a good web at that. I think his "over-explanations" did him much harm with LE and his not testifiying at the hearing just sealed it for him IMO.
Now look at where he is :behindbar It didn't come a day too soon IMO.

He has done plenty of :footinmouth:

One thing he didn't get taught is how much easier it is to remember the truth, than to remember the lie he told.
It is disgusting to see just how many he has told.
 
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