GUILTY NH - Abby Hernandez, 14, North Conway, 9 Oct 2013 - #15

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discussion since they came back from break is all about implying that she might have fallen for him and gone willingly, they are completely ignoring the fact that she just claimed this week that she did not know this guy prior and was violently kidnapped on that day she went missing.

everyone but drew's co-host is speculating about this and seems to think it is likely - one woman is saying that on the day abigail was in court she saw guilt in her face, that she looked like she might be thinking "oh i cant believe i fell for this guy's game, im responsible for all this"...

wild stuff.
 
looks like they are done with the case and have moved on to something else.
 
I guess they want to be controversial so as to garner ratings.....but it makes you wonder about discussions they have about other cases one may not be so familiar with. Do they have any credibility?
 
(Off topic -- two little abducted Amish girls found safe! Two male suspects still at large. :))
 
liljim said:
discussion since they came back from break is all about implying that she might have fallen for him and gone willingly, they are completely ignoring the fact that she just claimed this week that she did not know this guy prior and was violently kidnapped on that day she went missing.

everyone but drew's co-host is speculating about this and seems to think it is likely - one woman is saying that on the day abigail was in court she saw guilt in her face, that she looked like she might be thinking "oh i cant believe i fell for this guy's game, im responsible for all this"...

wild stuff.
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FWIW I think the one lady was projecting a bit of her own experience on this situation - unnecessarily! I believe if AH had gone of her own volition, she would not be so emaciated and sickly looking. I do believe she was abducted and this guy needs to pay.

As to the credence of the panel, yes they are mostly behavioral specialists with the exception of the blogger guy - not sure of his background. I do enjoy the show for the same reason I enjoy WS, differing viewpoints on the same subject. Much can be learned in such settings imho.
 
I get the feeling that this may have been a planned internet meet up that took an unfortunate path for Abby! I don't believe she willingly stayed away for nine months. I think her etch a sketch guy and the days it took to get info out of her would be explained by her thinking that it is her fault. Guilt and fear can make us do crazy things. Whatever the circumstances this is not her fault, she's a kid! We all know teenagers think they are all grown up and know how to handle the world, we thought that ourselves at the time. It's not until you get older and wiser that you realise how dangerous some situations can be. I just hope that the public does not crucify this poor girl, the SM comments are quite brutal!!
 
I have no idea what is wrong with Dr. Drew - he is just awful. Or any talking head that just wildly speculates about things, which is most of them. I can see why some people have questions - all cases have questions. I also don't understand why people can't grasp that even if there was some decision to meet up and go somewhere willingly, which has not been established, it could have turned into a violent kidnapping at any point. This is an underage girl who was missing for 9 months despite intense investigations. She was clearly victimized, and more details will come out about exactly what happened. It doesn't have to fit into this perfect scenario that rarely happens. I don't know why anyone needs to use terms like "in on it" like Dr. Drew. I mean, we don't have any information suggesting that, and she's a minor - they can't be "in on it" together. There's no equal bargaining there.
 
lawstudent said:
I have no idea what is wrong with Dr. Drew - he is just awful. Or any talking head that just wildly speculates about things, which is most of them. I can see why some people have questions - all cases have questions. I also don't understand why people can't grasp that even if there was some decision to meet up and go somewhere willingly, which has not been established, it could have turned into a violent kidnapping at any point. This is an underage girl who was missing for 9 months despite intense investigations. She was clearly victimized, and more details will come out about exactly what happened. It doesn't have to fit into this perfect scenario that rarely happens. I don't know why anyone needs to use terms like "in on it" like Dr. Drew. I mean, we don't have any information suggesting that, and she's a minor - they can't be "in on it" together. There's no equal bargaining there.
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I agree. I was upset that he and his "panel" were talking out of their butts. I think he will say/do anything for ratings. As you can tell I'm not a fan.
 
moonlightskybeauty said:
Yes you can tell this ordeal did physical damage to her. She looked skinny, pale, and I noticed what yiur talking about. Not sure why people bash her insinuating she "doesnt look emaciated or skinny". MOO Shes a beautiful girl and needs some TLC and she will recover back to health.

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I see the opposite. Jmho
 
Let's please not comment on Abby's physical appearance unless it is mentioned in MSM.
 
Not sure what they smoked before going on air. :thinking:
liljim said:
discussion since they came back from break is all about implying that she might have fallen for him and gone willingly, they are completely ignoring the fact that she just claimed this week that she did not know this guy prior and was violently kidnapped on that day she went missing.

everyone but drew's co-host is speculating about this and seems to think it is likely - one woman is saying that on the day abigail was in court she saw guilt in her face, that she looked like she might be thinking "oh i cant believe i fell for this guy's game, im responsible for all this"...

wild stuff.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but IMO saying she looks good isn't in any way a bash on her character? Amanda berry's hospital photo was not only a testament to her outward beauty but her beautiful soul as well...proof of her resilience and fortitude for the ten years of horrific living in the torture chamber she was forced to call 'home'.

http://www.wmtw.com/news/questions-remain-surrounding-return-of-abigail-hernandez/27094390#!bDWMlx

"Kirsch said he visited Hernandez Monday night.
"My wife and I were fortunate enough to get to see them last night, and I will have the indelible memory of them hugging, and I think right now frankly they're both exhausted and they're just happy beyond belief. She looked tired, but she looked good, and I'm sure it was a long, long day, but she looked good"
 
Cortne said:
Not sure what they smoked before going on air. :thinking:
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Again people are treating the statements this week by the attorney as the final say in this case. I don't think anyone disputes that a crime was committed due to Abby's age. I don't think dr. Drew's panel was arguing Kibby's innocence. I do believe that additional criminal charges, or at least the severity of them, will hinge on whether or not Abby was willing in some way. Again, I'm not saying that Kibby hasn't committed a crime. We are fairly certain he committed the crime he is currently charged with, but that is still up to a jury. The statement released is uncorroborated by any known evidence or statement by LE and until then it is just an accusation, thus debatable by this and any other platform or forum. I say this knowing that I may be accused of talking out of my butt, and/or under the influence of narcotics, but I am only pointing out the reality.
 
BillNH said:
Again people are treating the statements this week by the attorney as the final say in this case. I don't think anyone disputes that a crime was committed due to Abby's age. I don't think dr. Drew's panel was arguing Kibby's innocence. I do believe that additional criminal charges, or at least the severity of them, will hinge on whether or not Abby was willing in some way. Again, I'm not saying that Kibby hasn't committed a crime. We are fairly certain he committed the crime he is currently charged with, but that is still up to a jury. The statement released is uncorroborated by any known evidence or statement by LE and until then it is just an accusation, thus debatable by this and any other platform or forum. I say this knowing that I may be accused of talking out of my butt, and/or under the influence of narcotics, but I am only pointing out the reality.
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Bill this is how I see this. The family's representative said:
"Abby was violently abducted by a stranger. For many months, she suffered numerous acts of unspeakable violence. "
(in many places in MSM, can reference on http://www.bringabbyhome.com/

To me, unless I hear something different from official sources this "is" the current state of the investigation. Abby was kidnapped by a stranger and suffered violence. In light of this, I see any talk that Abby somehow had a hand in her own disappearance as misguided victim blaming. MOO.
 
Rivernh said:
Bill this is how I see this. The family's representative said:
"Abby was violently abducted by a stranger. For many months, she suffered numerous acts of unspeakable violence. "
(in many places in MSM, can reference on http://www.bringabbyhome.com/

To me, unless I hear something different from official sources this "is" the current state of the investigation. Abby was kidnapped by a stranger and suffered violence. In light of this, I see any talk that Abby somehow had a hand in her own disappearance as misguided victim blaming. MOO.
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Victim bashing was not my intent and it's not what I did. People are acting dumbfounded that there is still some discussion about what happened to Abby. The way I see it, there has been nothing to change the discussion like many seem to believe after the victims lawyer releases a statement giving their version. Obviously no one saw her abduction and unless someone comes forward or Kibby confesses, the only one saying it was a violent abduction is this lawyer. Very unlikely to be proven since again, there were no witnesses. For me, unless LE comes up with some evidence, be it before or during trial, the issue is very much still up for discussion by me, you, Dr. Drew, the man in the moon or Sasquach. Will it change much in the end? probably not by much. What is changing is public sentiment towards Abby. That's not horrible and for Abby it is probably somewhat of a relief. However, I happen to believe in the integrity of the justice system and I am irked by the lawyer's statement that they are not going to try the case in the press then proceeds to do exactly that by painting a very morbid scenario that changed the tide of sentiment about this case and very likely tainted every potential juror. Like you I will wait to hear something official before I make up my mind, but I will not run with whatever the family spokesperson decides to say until it's disproven. I honestly don't fully believe any of them. To me, and I am sure many others who are afraid to speak up, what really happened is still very much in debate and free to discuss.
 
my own POV is we now have Abby's version (albeit abbreviated). We do not have any version from Kibby yet. For now I am content to accept the statement at face value. When I hear Kibby's version (abbreviated or not) I will examine it. I do not at this time have anything from him. And yes, I am aware that is, in part, because his attorney does not have the info he feels he needs.

I am sitting back - waiting for this case to head towards trial before getting into the fray about whose version I believe or what evidence back whose.

again that is JMO
 
BillNH said:
Again people are treating the statements this week by the attorney as the final say in this case. I don't think anyone disputes that a crime was committed due to Abby's age. I don't think dr. Drew's panel was arguing Kibby's innocence. I do believe that additional criminal charges, or at least the severity of them, will hinge on whether or not Abby was willing in some way. Again, I'm not saying that Kibby hasn't committed a crime. We are fairly certain he committed the crime he is currently charged with, but that is still up to a jury. The statement released is uncorroborated by any known evidence or statement by LE and until then it is just an accusation, thus debatable by this and any other platform or forum. I say this knowing that I may be accused of talking out of my butt, and/or under the influence of narcotics, but I am only pointing out the reality.
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I don't see the same reality you do..His panel is made up of a bunch of wanna Be's. Seriously, do you think some BLOGGER can sit there and watch a video of a girl that was KIDNAPPED, and tell people that they saw guilt on her face or in her eyes? Why not just get the Long Island medium to come on and express her opinion. I would probably think a bit more highly of it. I wish the attacks against Abby would stop. I'm actually surprised the victim bashing has gone this far here.
 
Idon'tneedthesame said:
I don't see the same reality you do..His panel is made up of a bunch of wanna Be's. Seriously, do you think some BLOGGER can sit there and watch a video of a girl that was KIDNAPPED, and tell people that they saw guilt on her face or in her eyes? Why not just get the Long Island medium to come on and express her opinion. I would probably think a bit more highly of it. I wish the attacks against Abby would stop. I'm actually surprised the victim bashing has gone this far here.
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Yeah I do think that there is some validity to the science of reading facial expressions. And I bet if they were analyzing the accused and calling him guilty based on the same things, 90% of the people here would be saying " yeah I knew he was a lowlife, they just confirmed it" and high fives all around...
 
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