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OK, I looked through and I found some possible identities. I know there are quite a bit, but I hope it helps.

Margaret Ann Hayes, aged 22, disappeared in Indiana in 1977. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1445dfin.html
Debra Ann Wilhite, aged 19, disappeared in Indiana in 1974.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/723dfin.html
Alice Mae Van Alstine, aged 28, disappeared in Iowa in 1976.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1806dfia.html
Jackie Lynn Leslie, aged 13, disappeared in Arizona in 1974.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/95dfaz.html
Dixie Lee Arensen, aged 20, disappeared in California in 1968.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1734dfca.html
Cindy Lee Mellin, aged 19, disappeared in California in 1970.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/869dfca.html
Robin Ann Graham, aged 18, disappeared in California in 1970.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/980dfca.html
Debra Pscholka, aged 12, disappeared in California in 1971.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/889dfca.html
Linda Ann Miller, aged 19, disappeared in California (though might have gone to Mexico) in 1973.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3087dfca.html
Corrine June Groenenberg, aged 16, disappeared in California in 1973.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/863dfca.html
Sherry Elizabeth Roach, aged 17, disappeared in California in 1976.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2989dfca.html
Connie Gail Minchaca, aged 17, disappeared in California in 1978.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1112dfca.html
Rebecca Ann Kellison, aged 21, disappeared in Colorado in 1976.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2781dfco.html
Maria Florence Anjiras, aged 14, disappeared in Connecticut in 1976.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1032dfct.html
Gail Lorriane Joiner, aged 13, disappeared from Florida in 1972.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2190dffl.html
Carol Lynn Roberts, aged 18, disappeared in Florida in 1976.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1298dffl.html
Patricia Elayne Action, aged 25, disappeared in Florida in 1978.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1947dffl.html
Mary Michelle Sprague, aged 19, disappeared in Florida in 1979.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2080dffl.html
Barbara Ann Hilton, aged 23, disappeared in Illinois in 1972.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3017dfil.html
Catherine Runte, aged 28, disappeared in Illinois in 1979.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/563dfil.html
Betty Irene Redmond, aged 25, disappeared in Maryland in 1976.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/933dfmd.html
Vicke Lee Lamberton, aged 24, disappeared in Massachusetts in 1974.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/737dfma.html
Cynthia Coon, aged 13, disappeared in Michigan in 1970. Called her family three months later and did not know her whereabouts.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/858dfmi.html
Kathy Sue Wilcox, aged 15, disappeared in Michigan in 1972.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1367dfmi.html
Belinda VanLith, aged 17, disappeared in Minnesota in 1974.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2665dfmn.html
Rebecca Doisy, aged 23, disappeared in Missouri in 1976.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1677dfmo.html
Linda Lee Lovell, aged 25, disappeared in Montana in 1974.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2999dfmt.html
Lorriane Rae Herbster, aged 17, disappeared in New Jersey in 1979.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1412dfnj.html
Denise Marie Sheehy, aged 16, disappeared in New York in 1970.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/754dfny.html
Mary Lou Bostwick, aged 16, disappeared in New York in 1972.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3395dfny.html
Judith Ann Elwell, aged 5, disappeared in Oklahoma in 1967.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2399dfok.html
Sandra Lee Hopler, aged 18, disappeared in Pennsylvania in 1973.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1436dfpa.html
Teresa Lynn Rhoades, aged 13, disappeared in Pennsylvania in 1975.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2610dfpa.html
Trenny Lynn Gibson, aged 16, disappeared inTennessee in 1976.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/425dftn.html
Vicki Martinez, aged 19, disappeared in Tennessee in 1979.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2579dftx.html
Phyllis Eleanor Berry, aged 21, disappeared in Texas in 1975.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/544dftx.html
Marcia Estelle Remick, aged 17, disappeared in Virginia in 1979.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/227dfva.html
Elaine Marie Robertson, aged 23, disappeared in Washington in 1979.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2888dfwa.html
Margaret Dodd, aged 27, disappeared in West Virginia in 1977.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/404dfwv.html
Carlene Brown, aged 19, disappeared in Wyoming in 1974.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2217dfwy.html
Ramona Price, aged 7, disappeared in California in 1961.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11687/22
Anita Drake, aged 15, disappeared in Ohio in 1963.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20113/31
Sandra Breed, aged 16, disappeared in New York in 1964.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/19076/32
Lynn Luray, aged 15, disappeared in California in 1964.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5669/33
Alice Reeves, aged 20, disappeared in Louisiana in 1967.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20169/47
Darlene Polizzi, aged 19, disappeared in New Jersey in 1967.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/18331/48
Deborah Spickler, aged 13, disappeared in Connecticut in 1968.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5426/50
Barbara Paciotti, aged 20, disappeared in Minnesota in 1969.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11036/55
Patricia Chesher, aged 12, disappeared in New Mexico in 1969.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8865/56
Jeanette Miller, aged 17, disappeared in Washington in 1970.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4581/72
Helen Green, aged 13, disappeared in Illinois in 1971.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/24164/76
Jamie Grissim, aged 16, missing from Washington in 1971.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2716/85
Lynn Schluze, aged 18, disappeared from Vermont in 1971.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6975/86
Debra Lowe, aged 13, disappeared in Florida in 1972.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/3980/88
Pamela Burrows, aged 24, disappeared in Washington in 1973.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14106/94
Linda St. Germaine, aged 12, disappeared in New York in 1973.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9506/96
Kathleen Rodgers, aged 16, disappeared in California in 1973.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/22528/97
Rory Kesinger, aged 24, disappeared in Massachusetts in 1973.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/26809/101
Sharon Pretorius, aged 13, disappeared in Ohio in 1973.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7424/113
Vicki Hollar, aged 24, disappeared in Oregon in 1973.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9265/110
Corrine Groenenberg, aged 16, disappeared in California in 1973.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4547/120
Linda Lovell, aged 25, disappeared in Montana in 1974. (One of the NamUs pictures looks uncannily like Jane Doe.)
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9136/133
Georgann Hawkins, aged 18, disappeared in Washington in 1974.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/19039/131
Catherine Sjoberg, aged 17, disappeared in Wisconsin in 1974.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/5658/130
Barbara Glueckert, aged 14, disappeared in Illinois in 1974.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/4594/141
Lisa Wilson, aged 14, disappeared in Texas in 1974.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6817/149
Edna Thorne, aged 15, disappeared in Pennsylvania in 1975.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2509/161
Kathleen Murphy, aged 20, disappeared in Texas in 1976.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17082/175
Eileen Hynson, aged 19, disappeared in California in 1976.
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/14520/189
 
That's the problem. Before all the technology we have now, this thing happened. Who knows, maybe there are some bodies in archaeological digs out there that were the victims of sexual predators.
 
Roselvr said:
Identify These Victims FB Page
JaneDoe Allenstown FB Profile
Mystery in Allenstown, NH blog see the comments - THANK YOU to the former park residents who came out on Saturday to meet us! It was an encouragement to know people want to help identify these little girls. Later in the week, more maps of the park will be posted starting with the Stonybrook Ave section which is where we will be filling in names first. Shoot us an email if you lived in the park and haven't already heard from us! oakhillresearch@gmail.com


Click here if you lived in Bear Brook Gardens between 1977 and 1985
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Has anyone read the comments to the blog? There is a huge tip there - see the comments
Oak Hill ResearchJanuary 13, 2015 at 2:30 PM

Yesterday there was a comment posted here that we chose to remove because it mentioned several living persons. We have reposted the comment but removed both names:

The man who loaded trucks name was (NAME REMOVED) he was a man that worked carnivals. He was very nice looking but with acne he was bitten by a dog on his left cheek and had a nasty scar. He had shoulder length hair parted on the left. he was about 24/26 5foot ten/eleven hazel or dark blue eye's. He was a police officer? He had a badge. He was from Maryland. The barrels were from NY and carried sealant. Could be used for driveways or mobile home roofs. The family traveled with the carnival and from another country. They lived up above the store and they came to Allenstown NH because of the trucker and his helpers to work . The family originally stayed in a white camper that they lived in before the window blew out in a storm. There were three children and one woman. One of the middle children belonged to the trucker . The woman spoke broken English. One of the most mangled of the babies was a boy? ( I think)The Man who drove truck parked it beside the camper after the murders and The barrels showed up possibly when the mobile home was removed. The moving of the mobile home the burning of the store and the trucker are connected. (DIFFERENT NAME REMOVED). Start there.
The murder of the two eldest happened across the road from the store. The other two behind store.
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LucyOso said:
BBM. Folks, just a heads up...Many people, such as Rose have dedicated hours and hours and hours and hours to WS. Many of us make errors and mistakes when we research, gather information, and post it for other WSers to have easy access to. This happens. We are a team. Here for the same goal. It is very important to be respectful and realize that your fellow sleuthers are volunteers....they are not paid to do this job, they have other lives, family, and obligations. Everything is here is volunteerism. It takes a team...sometimes it does take a fresh set of eyes to get things up to date or current. When diasgreeing or pointing out a data error, please be polite and courteous. When posting under anonymous names we often forget social etiquette. It is very difficult to detect tone and intent, sarcasm or sincerity at times. As there aren't non-verbal cues we need to make certain we are communicating respectfully and our words match our intent. Anyway, I have witnessed a few threads get locked because folks aren't being polite. If disagreeing or pointing out a mistake, please use terms such as Respectfully, IMOO, etc. Thanks! :loveyou:
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Sorry, had a stomach virus go through my house. My little grandson got it so bad. Thank you <3
Hope Shane comes back
 
Interesting stuff there. I hope it leads somewhere.

I'm surprised that apparently we who lived a distance away heard more about the 2000 discovery than the people who lived next door.
 
I'm blanking out on a burned store. Anyone hear of that as something connected to this case?

Waffling on whether this tip is credible - if so, it's a little too credible. How would anyone know where the murders took place? They weren't found for years afterwards.
 
Donjeta said:
Police are still looking at this case:

http://www.wmur.com/news/19013578/detail.html

There's also a video and a picture of the place they were found. They were indeed found in barrels, first the adult and one child in 1985 and then in 2000 another barrel was found somewhere nearby when the case got assigned to a new trooper who went looking at the crime scene.

"In November 1985, a hunter found a tipped-over, 55-gallon drum near Bear Brook State Park, not far from a burned-down convenience store.
"You could see basically packaging of some type, and as he examined closer, he noticed there was a skull there," [state police Detective John] Sonia said."

It is still unclear what the precise relationship is but two children are related to the adult by DNA. I wish they'd say if it looks like the children have the same father but guess they don't know? What do you reckon are the chances that they have been reported missing separately? That only the children or some of them are on the missing persons lists? Or that only the woman is. If she's a transient she may have gone missing a while before being killed and may not have had the children with her then.

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"Sonia said the four could be from Canada or transients. There are no reports of four people missing together from that time.

With a case this cold, investigators said they know forensic science is one way to get answers. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has produced composites of three victims based on their remains, but the descriptions are rather broad with large age ranges and race varying from Caucasian to Native American.

"When you have bodies that are outdoors for a long period of time, they are being exposed to the weather extremes, heat, cold and bacteria,' said Kim Rumrill of the stte police forensics lab. "All these things work against you trying to find a DNA profile."

Investigators are now turning to water. A new technique links isotopes found in drinking water to different regions of the country. Those isotopes are found in human hair, and samples from the adult victim are now being tested.

"If she traveled they can get the travel history because they analyze segments of the hair, each segment separately," Fallon said.

Police said it's the first of three steps -- learn where they're from, discover who they are, and then find the killer.

"There's a lot of, I guess, force involved," Sonia said. "Again, it's pretty brutal. So that shows some kind of level of intimacy to take those, to do that to the bodies and to dispose of them the way they disposed of them."

State police are asking anyone with information to contact them at 603-271-2663 or nhsp.intel@dos.nh.gov."
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Never mind, found it.
 
The person who left that tip appears to have written a follow-up comment in which she says she lived in the trailer park and heard the murders but was afraid to come forward. I'm on the fence too.

Irish_Eyes said:
I'm blanking out on a burned store. Anyone hear of that as something connected to this case?

Waffling on whether this tip is credible - if so, it's a little too credible. How would anyone know where the murders took place? They weren't found for years afterwards.
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And we know for sure this tip has been reported? It does seem like there are a few things that could help LE rule it as credible or not. For one thing, it says the barrels came from NY and they were originally filled with stuff to roof sealant or something. I read somewhere else that LE had not ever released information that specific about the barrels. Assuming that's true it seems like that would be the kind of holdback information that might make them inclined to take a second look if those details match what they know.
 
If that commenter is telling the truth, I'm just about to freak out right now.

This rang a bell for me and I couldn't figure out why. When I figured it out I immediately picked up the phone and called the appropriate agency. I talked to a detective and they are looking into it. I'm going to wait to say more until they call me back, just in case, because if I'm right, I don't want to even accidentally mess up by saying anything they would rather me have kept quiet about. I want to tell you as badly as you want to know, but I don't want it on this board where anyone could be reading it. So be patient with me and keep your fingers crossed!
 
Irish_Eyes said:
If that commenter is telling the truth, I'm just about to freak out right now.

This rang a bell for me and I couldn't figure out why. When I figured it out I immediately picked up the phone and called the appropriate agency. I talked to a detective and they are looking into it. I'm going to wait to say more until they call me back, just in case, because if I'm right, I don't want to even accidentally mess up by saying anything they would rather me have kept quiet about. I want to tell you as badly as you want to know, but I don't want it on this board where anyone could be reading it. So be patient with me and keep your fingers crossed!
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Wow. just wow. One thing for sure, I am going to be keeping an eye on this thread.
 
Irish_Eyes said:
If that commenter is telling the truth, I'm just about to freak out right now.

This rang a bell for me and I couldn't figure out why. When I figured it out I immediately picked up the phone and called the appropriate agency. I talked to a detective and they are looking into it. I'm going to wait to say more until they call me back, just in case, because if I'm right, I don't want to even accidentally mess up by saying anything they would rather me have kept quiet about. I want to tell you as badly as you want to know, but I don't want it on this board where anyone could be reading it. So be patient with me and keep your fingers crossed!
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I just had a similar reaction. Sent you a PM to see if we're on the same page.
 
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