Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 #11 *Arrest*

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How is it possible that this is the first we have heard of friends over at the home on the night of he murder? I am astonished that not one person, of all those interviewed, has ever mentioned such a party.
 
PER LN:


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1373218

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!!
I am no longer on the fence.. I am totally on the side that says WN had something to do with Celina's demise. MOO
I wonder if they interviewed these "friends"
I hope they arrest him soon and get his DNA.
Justice for Celina!! :rose:


I fail to see what evidence you're basing your conclusion on. Don't forget, WN is not a mentally stable individual and many of his statements may well be nothing more than ramblings with no real significance. Just because he said he went to be early and someone else said he was not in bed early but on the porch with friends doesn't add up to a conviction. I noted also that LN mentioned that she had the TV and a fan on. Earlier she said she went up to bed at 9 PM after the movie ended, presumably because she had to get up early for work the next morning. I can understand the fan being on, but why would she have the TV on if she intended to go to sleep? IMO there are far too many unanswered questions to come to any conclusion as to who the likely perp is.
 
If it walks like a duck it may not be a duck.
If it swims like a duck it may not be a duck.
If it quacks like a duck it may not be a duck.

But if I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck.

Other things that lead in the WN direction.

Past assault
Past sexual crime
Family members commited sexual crimes
LE still has his vehicle, computer, and cell phone
LN will have nothing to do with him
He was "grieving" before Celina was found

None of those is true of KM.

Also KM remains with the family and remains a FB friend of KL.




Would you want to be convicted of something on that basis?
 
It is important to keep in mind that even trained professionals, trained to observe and report, often fail to note or recall even the most basic facts about the details of incidents -- even when they are writing their reports within minutes of the incident's conclusion. They will be fuzzy about the time, who said exactly what and to whom, the date, even who was there. If it is a violent incident they often will not know for sure who hit whom, who grabbed whom, who was next to them and what they were doing, and they wont even necessarily know exactly what THEY did or said.

The reports, the memories, are a construct, a fiction that becomes the official history of the event once it's down on paper. This is not an indictment but a statement of fact -- it effects everyone. When it comes to remembering details, people suck.

What they are good at is remembering themes, emotions, the overall story. Somewhat. And this includes events that many would assume to be so traumatic and shocking that the details are branded in the person's memory forever. It doesn't happen that way though, and particularly with trainatic events.

This is, of course, the problem with witnesses. It is normal for witnesses to remember things that never occured, and forget huge things that did. The reason for this is that the memory of what actually happened was constructed after the fact, the details that were not noticed at the time were filled in later, and those new "memories" become locked in place.

It is entirely possible that step-dad remembers going to bed early. It is entirely possible that mom remembers him hanging on the porch with friends. It is also entirely possible, entirely possible, that a video recording of the home that evening would show that NEITHER description is close to accurate.
 
I don't understand why LE would not want Celina's mom to look at the blanket. Why not confirm whether or not it came from the house? Knowing that would be vital in figuring out what happened to her. Why show mom only the items Celina was wearing and refuse to show her the blanket, possibly the most critical item?
 
well well, feel's like Texas, Colorado City to be exact:( it's all over the place.
Possibly there was some truth to the business owner next door saying the place was a 'party stable'??? ........drinking on the porch, uh huh.
SO where are these 2 mystery friends?? Been interviewed by LE??

hmm and wouldn't LN know if her household were missing a blanket? I would.
 
This poor little girl.

I for one would not notice 1 blanket missing. We have a ton of blankets, but I would most likely recognize one of ours.

As far as the people drinking on the porch w/WN the night CC died, when did they leave? Did anyone see them on the porch after WN went to bed? I'm sure they were are that WN left the door unlocked, he probably even mentioned that KM was going to be home late that night. I wonder who it was on the porch that night, WN's family? Weren't some of them RSOs?
 
I fail to see what evidence you're basing your conclusion on. Don't forget, WN is not a mentally stable individual and many of his statements may well be nothing more than ramblings with no real significance. Just because he said he went to be early and someone else said he was not in bed early but on the porch with friends doesn't add up to a conviction. I noted also that LN mentioned that she had the TV and a fan on. Earlier she said she went up to bed at 9 PM after the movie ended, presumably because she had to get up early for work the next morning. I can understand the fan being on, but why would she have the TV on if she intended to go to sleep? IMO there are far too many unanswered questions to come to any conclusion as to who the likely perp is.

If he is not a mentally stable individual, he shouldn't have been self medicating with alcohol. He should have been on the proper medication from a doctor for his illness.
Well, I don't really have to substantiate my "conclusion" to anyone. that's why they call it an opinion but I will address your comment.
MANY people use the TV to soothe themselves to sleep... There's even a poll here on WS about that very subject. Take a look for it.
He LIED... bottom line.
Those "unanswered" questions will be answered soon enough and little by little like a jigsaw puzzle, the big picture is coming into focus.
 
It is important to keep in mind that even trained professionals, trained to observe and report, often fail to note or recall even the most basic facts about the details of incidents -- even when they are writing their reports within minutes of the incident's conclusion. They will be fuzzy about the time, who said exactly what and to whom, the date, even who was there. If it is a violent incident they often will not know for sure who hit whom, who grabbed whom, who was next to them and what they were doing, and they wont even necessarily know exactly what THEY did or said.

The reports, the memories, are a construct, a fiction that becomes the official history of the event once it's down on paper. This is not an indictment but a statement of fact -- it effects everyone. When it comes to remembering details, people suck.

What they are good at is remembering themes, emotions, the overall story. Somewhat. And this includes events that many would assume to be so traumatic and shocking that the details are branded in the person's memory forever. It doesn't happen that way though, and particularly with trainatic events.

This is, of course, the problem with witnesses. It is normal for witnesses to remember things that never occured, and forget huge things that did. The reason for this is that the memory of what actually happened was constructed after the fact, the details that were not noticed at the time were filled in later, and those new "memories" become locked in place.

It is entirely possible that step-dad remembers going to bed early. It is entirely possible that mom remembers him hanging on the porch with friends. It is also entirely possible, entirely possible, that a video recording of the home that evening would show that NEITHER description is close to accurate.

Ummmmmmm... I'm sure they interviewed them both (LN and WN) the very day Celina went missing and asked their whereabouts for the prior night. I'm SURE only 12 hours later, they would have remembered what they had done the night before. If you remember, news reports never said where WN was that night.. only that he last saw Celina at the computer. If you look back in the thread, you will see it was a constant question with the posters who followed the case from the beginning.
I'm sure it was a detail that was purposely & tactfully left out of the media while AAG Jane Young had a chance to investigate all the "party-ers"
 
If he is not a mentally stable individual, he shouldn't have been self medicating with alcohol. He should have been on the proper medication from a doctor for his illness.
Well, I don't really have to substantiate my "conclusion" to anyone. that's why they call it an opinion but I will address your comment.
MANY people use the TV to soothe themselves to sleep... There's even a poll here on WS about that very subject. Take a look for it.
He LIED... bottom line.
Those "unanswered" questions will be answered soon enough and little by little like a jigsaw puzzle, the big picture is coming into focus.

He said he drinks coffee too. Paranoid schizophrenia's can be set off by too much caffeine. Strange, but true. Alcohol, caffeine, drugs OTC, prescription or illegal w/o doctors approval.
 
It would be interesting to know if WN was even in bed with Louisa, when she got up in the morning.
Wonder if there was more than one couch in the house?
There are a lot of things being said now, that we didn't know in the beginning.
 
I'm thinking the "I only drink coffee now" is telling. Maybe when he drinks alcohol, he doesn't remember what he did, and if he drinks now, he may slip up and say something to incriminate himself. Drinkers are big blabbers.
 
I'm thinking the "I only drink coffee now" is telling. Maybe when he drinks alcohol, he doesn't remember what he did, and if he drinks now, he may slip up and say something to incriminate himself. Drinkers are big blabbers.

Good catch.
Until WS and KM are cleared I still think something is not right with this story. It could be intruder if they had a habit of drinking and leaving doors unlocked. Unsafe for two young girls living there IMHO.
If anything WS is guilty of negligence for not protecting Celina from the intruder by locking the house securely up at night. Parents are supposed to protect children including step-children. ugh.
 
The more I recall now, I think maybe the antics WN provided after the abduction, i.e. laying down in the driveway, turning over the pictures, could be anguish knowing that he had been drinking on the porch with friends then went to bed, leaving the doors unlocked and wondering if the friends had anything to do with it as he was passed out in bed after drinking with them.

I'm not saying I think he is innocent, just wondering. JMO
 
I think it was mentioned somewhere in MSM, maybe that Colebrook Chronicle, that a lot of people around there weren't always ones to lock therir doors...I believe I recall someone saying after what happened to Celina, now they personally were. So maybe at that point in time, it wasn't unusual for the household to leave a door unlocked.
I know many that don't lock up in less populated areas.

I will never understand how these people with children don't regularly and always lock their doors. No place on this earth is safe because someone can always pass through any area and come in and commit crimes. The only people I knew, as a kid, who didn't lock their doors were my aunt and uncle who had 4 kids. Wouldn't have mattered if they did because the glass was missing from one of the panes in the door and anyone could just reach in and unlock it. BUT.....they had a man-eating dog inside and a grown son who had guns and would rip someone's head off at the slightest provocation. I could never imagine anyone brave enough to even want to get near that house.

So, without a good protective dog inside, leaving doors unlocked is just plain not smart, in my opinion -- at least when children are inside.
 
The more I recall now, I think maybe the antics WN provided after the abduction, i.e. laying down in the driveway, turning over the pictures, could be anguish knowing that he had been drinking on the porch with friends then went to bed, leaving the doors unlocked and wondering if the friends had anything to do with it as he was passed out in bed after drinking with them.

I'm not saying I think he is innocent, just wondering. JMO
His behavior in the road looked very similar to prostrations of repentance which Byzantine Catholics and Orthodox do frequently in Great Lent. I wonder if Wendell was raised Byzantine Catholic or Eastern Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Serbian.....) It could be that my interpretation is skewed because I want to see that whoever I think is responsible for this crime is extremely sorry for taking Celina's life, but his actions did look like Lenten prostrations.
 
I'm thinking the "I only drink coffee now" is telling. Maybe when he drinks alcohol, he doesn't remember what he did, and if he drinks now, he may slip up and say something to incriminate himself. Drinkers are big blabbers.
Yep, he was likely drinking beer or something with alcohol throughout the day and now it is coffee.
 
I know, right? All I could think of was to see if he had any scratches or marks on him. Even in the most private of areas.....
But, it tells me alot that he has been so cooperative and WN has not been..
My mind is made up now.

Yes, that's the only reason why he would be strip searched, to look for marks and scratches. So was this done after Celina was found or before?
 
Yes, that's the only reason why he would be strip searched, to look for marks and scratches. So was this done after Celina was found or before?

Ah, good question. I was assuming it was after but then the scratches would probably be healed, right? Maybe it was before? :waitasec: Maybe LN misspoke and he was just searched? LOL
 
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