Found Deceased NH - Celina Cass, 11, Stewartstown, 25 July 2011 # 5 *Arrest*

[Pixie70]

Ugh! I live in a Victorian house in the Northeast and yup...not just millipedes and spiders but these huge things someone told me are some type of cricket- I think someone has said Jerusalem crickets but I'm not sure if that was the name. They are huge and they jump soooooo far...as you can tell I don't even like going in my own basement never mind having my kids sleep there...

I totally agree. Don't men usually move into the basement/cellar rather than young girls? Frankly I'd have their room on the upper floor rather than in a basement. And they had to sleep on an air mattress, really? Sounds perhaps like a temporary situation...I'd hope. It just sounds odd. Basements can be damp, cold, dank, icky and bug-gy, though maybe this was a nice fully finished basement? And it sounds like their Dad wasn't thrilled about it either, from earlier posted articles.

jmho mooooo etc

 

[elmomom]

Not sure if this recent article has been posted yet (if it has, apologies):


http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/08/authorities-search-celina-cass-home/nPTZjSGdVsSyTLZ4XFWtlM/index.html

One thing that may have been answered, I'm curious why Celina's last name was Cass?

thanks I hadn't read that article. As far as her name, AL has said that he left the home when KL was 3. The would mean CC was either a baby, or maybe if the age is approximate, she was just born. Cass is her Mom's maiden name.

 

[revampz]

I agree Pixie, I was thinking that as well, where does the Cass come from.

Also in the fbook page I have linked below, the owner of the page is really putting it out there that the locals suspect the younger of the two that everyone suspects......sorry to be cryptic but didnt want to get in trouble.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Rest-In-Peace-Celina-Cass/198947920160712

 

[justanother]

Celina’s biological father, Adam Laro, says he never noticed anything strange at the house, until the last time he visited her.
He says recently, Celina and her sister were sleeping in the basement.
“It seems odd to me, very odd. Here they had two beautiful rooms and a nice place to live all of a sudden things got changed by certain people who I won’t name,” says Laro. “Now all of a sudden they’re staying on an air mattress on the cellar floor, to me it’s kind of crazy.”
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/08/03/stepfather-of-celina-cass-checks-into-mental-hospital/

That air mattress must have been cold through winter. Certain people, uh? There weren't many people in that house and i'm pretty sure the girls didn't get a say.

 

[Bodhi]

This latest article says that KM has been living with the family for about a year; so he's been living there for as long or longer than Louisa and Wendell have been married. Wonder how KM and Wendell got along? Wonder if Wendell felt it was a challenge or a privilege (or both) essentially taking on some level of responsibility for 3 children/young adults when he committed to Louisa?

I found it odd when Celina's bio-dad (AL - Adam Laro) said he visited the girls a couple of times and Wendell showed him (or had the girls to show him) their report cards. He also referred to Louisa and Wendell as the girls' "mother and father". I don't think AL was very involved in the girls' lives based on that interview he did with Debra Norville, who was filling in for Nancy Grace. It seemed, to me, he had handed off parenting responsibilities to Wendell and he was just occasionally checking in.

I still find it shocking that he had not spoken to his wife or his older daughter at all since Celina went missing. I realize by responses to a previous post of mine that others didn't find it odd because he had been in the hospital when Celina first went missing (and I respect that opinion), but I still find it very odd. Imagine Desiree Young not talking to Kaine Horman or going to the scene when Kyron disappeared. Wouldn't that seem weird? It would to me. AL was released from the hospital just after Celina disappeared, he's done interviews, why no contact with the family members living with Celina? I think any concerned non-custodial parent would want to hear first hand from the older girl that she did not feel in danger and that she was coping with the loss of her little sister. They would want to get details of the day/night my baby girl disappeared directly from the custodial parent's mouth...

I'm wondering if LE has known very early on what likely went down and have asked AL not to contact the family for some strategic reason (looks like his older son is in town, so he might be getting updates from him); perhaps LE assured him that they were carefully surveilling the family. I hope that's the case. If he hasn't been asked to steer clear by LE and he's not contacting his wife or his daughter, I think he knows something was wrong in that house and wants to keep distance from it, or he doesn't want to know anything, or he isn't as concerned as we'd expect.

I'm not accusing AL of any crime or involvement at all, just observing and pondering what I consider unique behaviors as compared to other missing child cases. I think the family dynamics and/or living arrangements may end up being a factor in Celina's demise. ALL JMO, MOO...

Reference: Nancy Grace show of 8/1/11
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/01/ng.01.html

Snipped:
ADAM LARO, FATHER OF CELINA CASS, BODY JUST FOUND IN RIVER: Yes. Thank you.

NORVILLE: What did you know about the medical or mental health history of Celina`s stepdad, Mr. Noyes? Obviously that`s something that`s made a great deal of headlines as people have been looking into the family situation. Were you aware that he`d had a number of troubles of this nature?

LARO: Off and on but I didn`t really pay attention that much because I didn`t think there was any problems because like I said before I would always check with my daughters and ask if there was any problems at home and if there was to have their mother and father give me a call. And if we had to talk or call a family meeting we would.

But you know, when things started unraveling there was more and more news out. (INAUDIBLE) so it got to who do you believe anymore? You know? Who`s speaking the truth? So, you know, as far as being aware of his problem or his past history, I don`t know nothing about it.

NORVILLE: It`s curious. You just referred to him as her mother and father. You don`t refer to yourself as her father?

LARO: Yes, I`m her father. Her stepdad.

NORVILLE: OK.

LARO: Stepdad because she -- their mother did marry the man, you know. And you know, I say I can`t count him out as not being a parent involved.

NORVILLE: Right.

LARO: You know?

Yllek, I also got the feeling from AL's statements, especially his interview w/ Deborah Norville, that he was not very involved in his daughters' lives. He left LN when the KL was 3 and CC was a baby. Sounded like he just stopped by their house a few times, not something planned because my impression was that LN was not home. He said that WN told the girls to get their report cards to show him, which seems like AL was not up-to-date on their schoolwork and that LN wasn't there and WN was trying to make conversation with him.

I also got the impression that AL was not very involved because he stated that he would ask them if things were OK at home and "if there was to have their mother and father give me a call." Not only does he refer to WN as their father, if his daughter told him about a problem, AL would have waited for LN and WN to call him. So it sounded to me like his relationship was like a benign, distant uncle--interested but not involved.

Bcause AL had been so sick and in the hospital when CC disappeared, I gave him the benefit of the doubt about not contacting LN or KL. Then he told Deborah Norville he had no plans to contact KL after CC's body was identified, that he was going to 'wait and see', perhaps they would contact him. I was stunned. AL had no involvement in his daughter's disappearance, obviously. And he has my sympathy on the loss of his daughter. But when he doesn't intend to even call his 13-year-old to see how she is doing, I have little patience with his statements to the press now. If he has the energy to speak to reporters, he is well enough to phone his daughter!

 

[nosysw]

Yllek, I also got the feeling from AL's statements, especially his interview w/ Deborah Norville, that he was not very involved in his daughters' lives. He left LN when the KL was 3 and CC was a baby. Sounded like he just stopped by their house a few times, not something planned because my impression was that LN was not home. He said that WN told the girls to get their report cards to show him, which seems like AL was not up-to-date on their schoolwork and that LN wasn't there and WN was trying to make conversation with him.

I also got the impression that AL was not very involved because he stated that he would ask them if things were OK at home and "if there was to have their mother and father give me a call." Not only does he refer to WN as their father, if his daughter told him about a problem, AL would have waited for LN and WN to call him. So it sounded to me like his relationship was like a benign, distant uncle--interested but not involved.

Bcause AL had been so sick and in the hospital when CC disappeared, I gave him the benefit of the doubt about not contacting LN or KL. Then he told Deborah Norville he had no plans to contact KL after CC's body was identified, that he was going to 'wait and see', perhaps they would contact him. I was stunned. AL had no involvement in his daughter's disappearance, obviously. And he has my sympathy on the loss of his daughter. But when he doesn't intend to even call his 13-year-old to see how she is doing, I have little patience with his statements to the press now. If he has the energy to speak to reporters, he is well enough to phone his daughter!

I agree with you about the relationship with the girls...pretty much hands off...he sounded a little put off as well when he described the family situation so maybe he was not made to feel welcome as a part of the girls lives? I thought I read somewhere that he spent some time with KL after the death...not sure where but I thought he said they hung out and she was holding up as well as could be expected under the circumstances...

 

[k4kathy]

But if she is dead before she goes into the water there will be no water in her lungs right?

Correct

 

[Kiln Wood]

What did WN do for work? He was retired right? Well that's a brand new Ford and those do not come cheap.

BBM

I believe it was stated on the CC first thread that WN is retired from the U.S. Air Force, is medically retired from the U.S. Air Force, or is drawing disability compensation from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. For those who are not familiar with disability compensation rates from the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs, the current monthly payment INCOME TAX FREE (because these disability payments are not taxed) is $2673.00 per month for the veteran and $150.00 additional for the veteran's spouse. There is also a provision for additional monthly payment(s) for minor children, but I am not familiar with the requirements nor the rate. The veteran need not be be 100% disabled by VA standards to draw this rate; if the veteran has been deemed at least 60% disabled by the VA, the veteran may file for disability to be paid at the 100% rate if he or she is "unemployable" which means he/she is not able to work. To be eligible for VA benefits, the veteran must have served more than 180 days on active duty, and the veteran must have an honorable discharge or a general discharge under honorable conditions.

A VA disability award does NOT preclude the veteran from applying for Social Security disability; if the Social Security Administration, independent of the VA, finds the veteran disabled, he/she is also eligible to draw disability benefits from the Social Security Administration if he/she meets the requirements for coverage; Social Security disability payments are not subject to income tax either.

As one can guess after reading this post, the vast majority of creditors making motor vehicle loans look with favor upon retired military members or veterans drawing VA disability compensation at the 100% rate.....

For those who may not be familiar with taxes in the State of New Hampshire, there is no sales tax and there is no income tax. New Hampshire has, in recent times, been identified by MSM media as a financially friendly environment for retirees--if the retirees can tolerate the rather harsh northern New England winters.....Real estate property taxes in New Hampshire are currently the third highest in the country, but there are villages and towns in New Hampshire that are considered "upscale" by "outsiders" that have real estate property tax rates that are the lowest in the country. To the best of my knowledge, WN is renting; he does not have the expenses of home ownership.

To those veterans who read this post, thank you for your service to our country and to Vietnam veterans, welcome home!

 

[Pixie70]

thanks I hadn't read that article. As far as her name, AL has said that he left the home when KL was 3. The would mean CC was either a baby, or maybe if the age is approximate, she was just born. Cass is her Mom's maiden name.

Thank you, that's what I kinda figured.

Thinking Out Loud:
It's my thought that this case will not go unsolved and there will be an arrest soon, within a week or two; they need time to build a case for an arrest or prepare a grand jury indictment. The COD/MOD will be released soon too I reckon. Frankly, they have to tell her family something if they know, and then word may get out.

Unfortunately I don't believe she slipped and fell into the river, and that she most likely was wrapped/bound, and possibly weighted, then put into the river near where she was found. It was someone near to her or from the area, as she was placed so close to her home. It was likely a clearly unnatural death due to comments made about the divers' having made important observations underwater from what I recall reading (perhaps they saw binding/weights/clothing state/etc) and also their prolonged handling of the river crime scene and how it took several hours to bring her out. Just IMHOMOO and all that.

 

[k4kathy]

Suffocation is one COD I am not sure they would be able to determine if a body was later put into water.

ME should be able to determine whether suffocation was COD.... patechia and fatty liver... both caused by suffocation/stangulation

 

[Mimiof8]

I agree Pixie, I was thinking that as well, where does the Cass come from.

Also in the fbook page I have linked below, the owner of the page is really putting it out there that the locals suspect the younger of the two that everyone suspects......sorry to be cryptic but didnt want to get in trouble.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Rest-In-Peace-Celina-Cass/198947920160712

On this facebook there is a person on the top of the page asking for the number to the tip line. I can't figure out how to post, can someone please give that person the number. NEVERMIND, they removed their post requesting the number.

Thanks

 

[rosiebean]

:maddening:

The several Victorian homes where I have lived in the North all had millipedes in the basement. I can't imagine making little girls sleep on air mattresses on the basement floor and especially with these things. They are huge and very fast.

I live in the NE in a very old house and have been sleeping with my family in the unfinished basement much of this summer due to the extreme heat and given that the basement is the coolest part of the house. Though I worry about critters, I have yet to see any...and I've never in eight years in this house have had issues with centipedes. Ants, yes, but I think I've seen a total of five centipedes in eight years (and those were in our upstairs bath). We slept on air matresses at first but invested in futons when we realized how comfy the space was in the heat.

I also don't necessarily see why the girls sleeping in the basement is automatically bad...it could have been their choice (the older sister may have liked it, and Celina may have gone along despite her misgivings.) We also don't know the layout of the house....maybe the parents slept on the ground floor and liked being between the males and females in the house. And though K was staying in Celina's room, we don't know for sure that it was 'girlie'. Seeing as they were living in a rental, I'm guessing the walls were standard white rather than, say, pink...and Celina may have moved her things to the basement when K moved in. If he had been there for a few months, it seems as though his stay might have been seen by the family as potentially long term rather than a mere visit. In this case, her room might have been given to him to be his...her things (posters, dolls, stuffed animals) may very well have been in the basement, and though he was given Celina's room, he was given her 'old' room, not her room with everything she owned still in it.

 

[Pensfan]

I agree with you about the relationship with the girls...pretty much hands off...he sounded a little put off as well when he described the family situation so maybe he was not made to feel welcome as a part of the girls lives? I thought I read somewhere that he spent some time with KL after the death...not sure where but I thought he said they hung out and she was holding up as well as could be expected under the circumstances...

This is the article:
http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrod...a-cass-home/nPTZjSGdVsSyTLZ4XFWtlM/index.html

 

[Bullwinkle]

Pickup Taken From Home

 

[Bodhi]

Not sure if this recent article has been posted yet (if it has, apologies):


http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/08/authorities-search-celina-cass-home/nPTZjSGdVsSyTLZ4XFWtlM/index.html

From Celina's Grandma, Adam's mom:

Marcia Laro, Cass’s grandmother, said the girl’s body has been returned to the family and been taken to a funeral home, where arrangements are being made for a private service that will include only immediate family and close friends.

“She was such a unique little girl,” said the woman, 65. “She was adorable, lovable, trusting, happy.”

Cass’s grandmother said she was disappointed that Celina’s mother did not come forward to speak to the media while the search for Celina went on. Both Louisa and Wendell Noyes have declined requests for interviews.

Marcia Laro said she did not understand why the mother did not reach out to Celina’s father after the child’s body was discovered.

“We haven’t heard from her,” the grandmother said. “We’re confused.”

Also it says that Adam Laro and Celina's older sister Kayla Laro spent time together yesterday:

Adam Laro said he has heard from Celina’s sister, though. Kayla came to his house for a few hours Tuesday. They sat by the pond in the backyard and fished. He said his daughter has held up as well as could be expected since she lost her sister.

“She’s a strong little girl,” he said.

One thing that may have been answered, I'm curious why Celina's last name was Cass?

Thanks, Pixie, for the updated info. I am relieved that KL spent a couple of hours with her father. I must reiterate that AL and his parents seem rather passive. AL said KL called him and came to visit him. AL's mother doesn't understand why LN has not reached out to them. Maybe because her child was just murdered and her husband has been hospitalized! I would expect the parents of the noncustodial father would reach out to LN and ask what they could do to help her in making funeral arrangements. LN must just be devastated beyond belief. And it seems like she would need help with the logistics and finances of a funeral and burial.

 

[elmomom]

My thoughts...

SF has a lot of friends and family. They think it was KM. SF has serious issues, and the press think it was him. As for me - I don't know which.
:fence:

 

[Pixie70]

Just saw this on the memorial FB group - assuming they are handling her services:


http://www.baileyfh.net/obituary.aspx?MemberId=93224&MName=Celina%20Marie%20Cass

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rest-In-Peace-Celina-Cass/198947920160712

(I searched this thread for "bailey" with no hits so am not sure this was posted)

 

[k4kathy]

From what I understand the autopsy report came back inconclusive. If she was raped, wouldn't that show up in the autopsy?

It probably would, depending on a few factors.
And you know what else... maybe the blanket helped preserve evidence such as DNA,hair,fibers,bodily fluids,etc.

 

[rosiebean]

Sorry, double post.

 

[Pixie70]

My thoughts...

SF has a lot of friends and family. They think it was KM. SF has serious issues, and the press think it was him. As for me - I don't know which.
:fence:

Yes it sounds like (from the FB comments) that people are looking at KM as a POI, just a rumor I guess.