NH NH - Maura Murray, 21, Haverhill, 9 Feb 2004 - # 7

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Here is a photo from the horse cemetery in Littleton, NH. Littleton is precisely 20 minutes away from where Maura would've left the 302 and turned onto Wild Ammonnusic Rd. (SP?)

They recently found a partial human skull in the horse cemetery and as of July 20, they have not determined whom the skull belongs too. Locals in littleton speculate that it could be "the girl who went missing in haverhill".
 
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here is a different look of the horse cemetery in Littleton. It looks like the cemetery is at the edge of some thick woods, but actually up above the trees is a major highway (possibly could be a spot to dump a body off of) which could explain how a human skull turns up in a horse cemetery.
 
Didn't they say somewhere that they decided the underwear wasn't linked to Maura?

About the house, I'm not saying it was linked to Maura at all, but I was just curious about the process of how they definitively ruled it out. I don't know how/why she would have ended up there, either, but I guess it would be just as likely as anywhere else at this point. She has to be somewhere, and if someone else did pick her up and harm her, an old, abandoned structure in the area seems like as good a place as any to take her. I have no specific theories involving the house, but I was just trying to see whether or not we could really rule it out.

Good question about the underwear - I thought it was ruled out, but now not sure if they ever got an answer back from LE.... would have to read more in
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2390

There are some other places where peripeteia posted on and if anyone knows she would know!
 
As for inaccuracies in Mr. Renner's blog, to name a few:

1. This has already been commented on in previous pages here.....Maura's supervisor initially placed her conversation with a troubled Maura much, much later in the evening--12:30 or 1 am. I have not spoken to her directly (in person), but she maintained this in public on message boards for years. Whether the years since have dimmed and confused her memory (with the addition of the repeated piece of information that Maura spoke to her sister at ten) or whether this is erroneous or sloppy note-taking or transcribing by Mr. Renner, I can't say. But this second-hand account does not jibe with Ms. Mayotte's first-hand account, which came as early as winter of 2005/2006, when I first became aware of Maura's disappearance. Like Mr. Renner himself, I choose to rely on primary sources whenever possible. Having seen it from Ms. Mayotte's own computer keyboard at the time she said it, I choose to believe her.

2. Mr. Renner has indicated that Fred Murray refused interviews with police for 2 1/2 years. This seems incorrect judging by all available news accounts from day one--go up a few posts and read archived articles on the Justice for Chandra website. As early as February 2004--right after Maura disappeared--he was talking to the police.

As for why he brought attorneys with him, he had just sued for the records of Maura's case. Wouldn't YOU bring an attorney? Actually, bringing an attorney is not, and never will be, an indication of guilt. Police say that all the time in hopes that the person they're interviewing will through their civil rights out the window and allow an interview to proceed without one.

3. The fact that Maura MAY HAVE BEEN pregnant is certainly not news. That's been brought up at least since I have been aware of the case in late 2005 and early 2006. As for what the forensics on her computer revealed, that I can't speak to--but a pregnancy is something that's certainly been bandied about for years. (and for that matter, I'm not sure how it's possible to tell WHY someone was researching something. How do we know it wasn't for school? How can Mr. Renner be certain?)

4. I cannot say for certain that the note from Billy to Maura was an old email printed out recently--it may have been an old email printed out at the time it was sent, and simply hung onto--nor can I speak to its content. But it still has no bearing on her being missing, except that it was by no means a suicide note. Police indicated within the first week of Maura's disappearance that they would publicly retract that statement of a suicide note from Maura to Billy--to this date, to my knowledge no such retraction has ever been printed or issued.

5. According to Mr. Renner, "Helena Dwyer Murray runs a website devoted to the search for Maura. She has been identified in news reports as an aunt, but is actually not related to the family through blood." This is, in fact, true--she is not related by blood to Maura but through marriage--but it doesn't make Ms. Murray less of an aunt. She is, in fact, an aunt of Maura's. The implication there is such that we are meant to somehow discredit Helena Murray because she married into the family. What's that about? And how is it at ALL relevant in finding out what happened to Maura?

6. Regarding the Red Cross call: there continue to be conflicting sources on this. The police have maintained that the call can be traced to the American Red Cross; however, the phone company told Sharon Rausch that the phone call could not be traced without the calling card pin number--and of course the pin number is on the card, which....is with Maura.

If the call cannot be definitively traced, the person who made the call cannot be interviewed.

It is highly probable that the police DID interview a Red Cross worker who spoke to Billy, as he was working through them to try to get emergency leave from his Army post at Ft. Sill. However.......

To this day, Sharon and Billy firmly believe that the phone call was made by Maura. And they are two people who knew her very, very well.

So file that under the "maybe" column.

7. Maura did not leave West Point "abruptly." She left at the end of a semester, which of couse is when most students transfer between colleges or universities, if they are transfering. Leaving abruptly is dropping out mid-semester, which Maura did not do. What she did was simply "transfer from West Point to UMass."
 
OldSteve--the underwear was ruled out.

As for the bloodstains on the carpet, that was a rumor. According to one of the investigators, with whom I *do* have direct contact, it "could theoretically have even been menstrual blood from a clothes hamper" and from there on it developed a life of its own, like so much else in this case.

To my knowledge, that carpet sample was never tested. I believe it even says as much in the SoCo article that I believe is also linked here. (If not, I can scrounge one up somewhere).
 
As for inaccuracies in Mr. Renner's blog, to name a few:

1. This has already been commented on in previous pages here.....Maura's supervisor initially placed her conversation with a troubled Maura much, much later in the evening--12:30 or 1 am. I have not spoken to her directly (in person), but she maintained this in public on message boards for years. Whether the years since have dimmed and confused her memory (with the addition of the repeated piece of information that Maura spoke to her sister at ten) or whether this is erroneous or sloppy note-taking or transcribing by Mr. Renner, I can't say. But this second-hand account does not jibe with Ms. Mayotte's first-hand account, which came as early as winter of 2005/2006, when I first became aware of Maura's disappearance. Like Mr. Renner himself, I choose to rely on primary sources whenever possible. Having seen it from Ms. Mayotte's own computer keyboard at the time she said it, I choose to believe her.

2. Mr. Renner has indicated that Fred Murray refused interviews with police for 2 1/2 years. This seems incorrect judging by all available news accounts from day one--go up a few posts and read archived articles on the Justice for Chandra website. As early as February 2004--right after Maura disappeared--he was talking to the police.

As for why he brought attorneys with him, he had just sued for the records of Maura's case. Wouldn't YOU bring an attorney? Actually, bringing an attorney is not, and never will be, an indication of guilt. Police say that all the time in hopes that the person they're interviewing will through their civil rights out the window and allow an interview to proceed without one.

3. The fact that Maura MAY HAVE BEEN pregnant is certainly not news. That's been brought up at least since I have been aware of the case in late 2005 and early 2006. As for what the forensics on her computer revealed, that I can't speak to--but a pregnancy is something that's certainly been bandied about for years. (and for that matter, I'm not sure how it's possible to tell WHY someone was researching something. How do we know it wasn't for school? How can Mr. Renner be certain?)

4. I cannot say for certain that the note from Billy to Maura was an old email printed out recently--it may have been an old email printed out at the time it was sent, and simply hung onto--nor can I speak to its content. But it still has no bearing on her being missing, except that it was by no means a suicide note. Police indicated within the first week of Maura's disappearance that they would publicly retract that statement of a suicide note from Maura to Billy--to this date, to my knowledge no such retraction has ever been printed or issued.

5. According to Mr. Renner, "Helena Dwyer Murray runs a website devoted to the search for Maura. She has been identified in news reports as an aunt, but is actually not related to the family through blood." This is, in fact, true--she is not related by blood to Maura but through marriage--but it doesn't make Ms. Murray less of an aunt. She is, in fact, an aunt of Maura's. The implication there is such that we are meant to somehow discredit Helena Murray because she married into the family. What's that about? And how is it at ALL relevant in finding out what happened to Maura?

6. Regarding the Red Cross call: there continue to be conflicting sources on this. The police have maintained that the call can be traced to the American Red Cross; however, the phone company told Sharon Rausch that the phone call could not be traced without the calling card pin number--and of course the pin number is on the card, which....is with Maura.

If the call cannot be definitively traced, the person who made the call cannot be interviewed.

It is highly probable that the police DID interview a Red Cross worker who spoke to Billy, as he was working through them to try to get emergency leave from his Army post at Ft. Sill. However.......

To this day, Sharon and Billy firmly believe that the phone call was made by Maura. And they are two people who knew her very, very well.

So file that under the "maybe" column.

7. Maura did not leave West Point "abruptly." She left at the end of a semester, which of couse is when most students transfer between colleges or universities, if they are transfering. Leaving abruptly is dropping out mid-semester, which Maura did not do. What she did was simply "transfer from West Point to UMass."

Jane
On point No. 4 specifically, about the note, police did come out with a suicide theory very early on. They would not make such a theory without having something of substance to go on. They have never released everything they uncovered from Maura's computer and their appearance of back-tracking off of their original suicide theory was more likely done to take some heat off of them moreso then it being done because they were flat wrong about the theory.
 
here is a recent update to James Renner's blog with a new statement from the supervisor that dealt with Maura Murray.

"I think I might have screwed up with the times that I originally gave you, and if is that the case, I apologize. That Thursday night, the receptionists had to work until 1:45 (2:45 on Fridays and Satursdays). I think when I first talked to you I got mixed up as to the day of the week, becuase on Sunday-Wednesdays till 11:45. That night, after I visited the other areas of campus, when I got to Southwest I met up with the other coworkers at the eatery in SW (can't remember the name, can find it after if you are interested for more specifics). I didn't eat, but when visiting with the others another area supervisor told me that Maura was upset and that I should go check on her. At that point I did, and you have the specifics from that visit- I do remember when signing her out early, thinking that she would have to wait about 45 to an hour until I could get off shift to bring her to Dunkins or the counseling area. I got off shift at 2:30, so I would've started packing her up at 1:15pm. (30 min before she would get off) Too bad we couldn't grab the police report I filled out the following morning at UMass Police, which would have had the exact time of signing her out to the specifics. Also to clarify my job title- I was an area supervisor."
 
As for inaccuracies in Mr. Renner's blog, to name a few:

1. This has already been commented on in previous pages here.....Maura's supervisor initially placed her conversation with a troubled Maura much, much later in the evening--12:30 or 1 am. I have not spoken to her directly (in person), but she maintained this in public on message boards for years. Whether the years since have dimmed and confused her memory (with the addition of the repeated piece of information that Maura spoke to her sister at ten) or whether this is erroneous or sloppy note-taking or transcribing by Mr. Renner, I can't say. But this second-hand account does not jibe with Ms. Mayotte's first-hand account, which came as early as winter of 2005/2006, when I first became aware of Maura's disappearance. Like Mr. Renner himself, I choose to rely on primary sources whenever possible. Having seen it from Ms. Mayotte's own computer keyboard at the time she said it, I choose to believe her.

2. Mr. Renner has indicated that Fred Murray refused interviews with police for 2 1/2 years. This seems incorrect judging by all available news accounts from day one--go up a few posts and read archived articles on the Justice for Chandra website. As early as February 2004--right after Maura disappeared--he was talking to the police.

As for why he brought attorneys with him, he had just sued for the records of Maura's case. Wouldn't YOU bring an attorney? Actually, bringing an attorney is not, and never will be, an indication of guilt. Police say that all the time in hopes that the person they're interviewing will through their civil rights out the window and allow an interview to proceed without one.

3. The fact that Maura MAY HAVE BEEN pregnant is certainly not news. That's been brought up at least since I have been aware of the case in late 2005 and early 2006. As for what the forensics on her computer revealed, that I can't speak to--but a pregnancy is something that's certainly been bandied about for years. (and for that matter, I'm not sure how it's possible to tell WHY someone was researching something. How do we know it wasn't for school? How can Mr. Renner be certain?)

4. I cannot say for certain that the note from Billy to Maura was an old email printed out recently--it may have been an old email printed out at the time it was sent, and simply hung onto--nor can I speak to its content. But it still has no bearing on her being missing, except that it was by no means a suicide note. Police indicated within the first week of Maura's disappearance that they would publicly retract that statement of a suicide note from Maura to Billy--to this date, to my knowledge no such retraction has ever been printed or issued.

5. According to Mr. Renner, "Helena Dwyer Murray runs a website devoted to the search for Maura. She has been identified in news reports as an aunt, but is actually not related to the family through blood." This is, in fact, true--she is not related by blood to Maura but through marriage--but it doesn't make Ms. Murray less of an aunt. She is, in fact, an aunt of Maura's. The implication there is such that we are meant to somehow discredit Helena Murray because she married into the family. What's that about? And how is it at ALL relevant in finding out what happened to Maura?

6. Regarding the Red Cross call: there continue to be conflicting sources on this. The police have maintained that the call can be traced to the American Red Cross; however, the phone company told Sharon Rausch that the phone call could not be traced without the calling card pin number--and of course the pin number is on the card, which....is with Maura.

If the call cannot be definitively traced, the person who made the call cannot be interviewed.

It is highly probable that the police DID interview a Red Cross worker who spoke to Billy, as he was working through them to try to get emergency leave from his Army post at Ft. Sill. However.......

To this day, Sharon and Billy firmly believe that the phone call was made by Maura. And they are two people who knew her very, very well.

So file that under the "maybe" column.

7. Maura did not leave West Point "abruptly." She left at the end of a semester, which of couse is when most students transfer between colleges or universities, if they are transfering. Leaving abruptly is dropping out mid-semester, which Maura did not do. What she did was simply "transfer from West Point to UMass."

:goodpost: Thank you so much for your detailed and informative post! What I most appreciate are the efforts you have made simply in the name of finding the truth and justice for Maura and her family!!!
 
Jane
On point No. 4 specifically, about the note, police did come out with a suicide theory very early on. They would not make such a theory without having something of substance to go on. They have never released everything they uncovered from Maura's computer and their appearance of back-tracking off of their original suicide theory was more likely done to take some heat off of them moreso then it being done because they were flat wrong about the theory.

BBM

Beg to differ: On Wed. Feb 11th 2004:

"At a meeting that night, Haverhill Police speculated that Maura was suicidal or had planned to run away. "


http://southshorexpress.com/extras/special-reports/79-maura-is-missing-part-iii-the-search.html
 
I've gone over all the timeline, and have centered upon (using the tools I use) on the 11:47AM call on the cell Feb. 11th, 2004 Wed.

That is the time that I recorded on my notes when I first heard the boyfriend and his mother speaking about this case on TV. It was of course, an approximation I suppose, as they spoke about him being prepared to just then, go through the security gates.

I'm pretty certain (99%) so, that this was Maura reaching out in a desperate last minute attempt to be saved.

But that's just "imo" and of course doesn't tell us, IF she was alone or in the hands of another. And like belly buttons, we all have one (an opinion), on this case.

from a Timeline once posted online:
http://csafd.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nymissing&action=print&thread=2612

Maura's boyfriend receives a voicemail message that he believes is the sound of Maura sobbing. His cellphone had been turned off so that he could pass through airport security on his way to help search for Maura. A New Hampshire State Police investigation traced the call to a calling card issued to the American Red Cross. Many believe this call was actually from Maura, not the American Red Cross, as it is unknown how the Red Cross would have his mobile number or why they would leave a voicemail with no actual message. The voicemail has since been deleted.
 
BBM

Beg to differ: On Wed. Feb 11th 2004:

"At a meeting that night, Haverhill Police speculated that Maura was suicidal or had planned to run away. "


http://southshorexpress.com/extras/special-reports/79-maura-is-missing-part-iii-the-search.html

Old Steve,

I am not sure what you are begging to differ with what I have posted.

Do we both agree that police early on publically acknowledged that Maura may have been sucidial?

All I am saying is that what police and investigators have released to the public is more than likely a far cry from what they actually know about the case, so for them to throw out a suicide theory, to me says that they know more than what the public or news reporters/investigators know.
 
Scoops, I misread your original post several times as well; I'd thought you had said that the police did NOT come up with suicide very early on. Whoops!

However, it does remain a fact that the police in their earliest press releases stated that among the contents of Maura's UMass dorm room was a suicide note to Billy from Maura. That remains patently untrue. My reason for listing that was not to indicate that Maura was without a doubt NOT suicidal, simply to point out that the police gave an absolutely false reason for saying that.
 
Also, I'm not here to perform character assassination, but while I'm on the topic of Mr. Renner's blog about Maura's disappearance, I've recently been doing research of my own into Mr. Renner. Nothing more major than a Google search, mind you, but even that was enlightening.

James Renner is heavliy involved in editing certain Wikipedia articles, and apparently has caused quite an uproar on more than one occasion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JamesRenner Added to how he's handled his blog about Maura, I've lost what respect I might have had for him as an unbiased investigative journalist.

Just throwing that out there. Make of it what you will.
 
Also, I'm not here to perform character assassination, but while I'm on the topic of Mr. Renner's blog about Maura's disappearance, I've recently been doing research of my own into Mr. Renner. Nothing more major than a Google search, mind you, but even that was enlightening.

James Renner is heavliy involved in editing certain Wikipedia articles, and apparently has caused quite an uproar on more than one occasion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JamesRenner Added to how he's handled his blog about Maura, I've lost what respect I might have had for him as an unbiased investigative journalist.

Just throwing that out there. Make of it what you will.

Well, I (for one) have not!

Afterall, I've seen up close and personal myself, how a little band of supposed intellects can get together to blacklist someone.
It happens all the time, actually.

I liked the closing Note to Mr. Renner, from a reader, (not moderator) Dec. 2009; who thanks him for the tireless work he did on the Amy M. case, and Krista H. case (signed Boy of the Water) apparently a fan of Mr. Renner's work. Often it's the voice of the minority we should be listening to, as oftentimes as in this case, the majority rule on someone is quite biased as they belong to the same "club"
:)


I don't think trying to put down Mr. Renner personally is in any way helpful towards a finding more through free association and free speech what in the world happened to this young woman.

I've not seen where his Blog points fingers in any menacing way at all. Actually, when we read the entire Entries, we see that Mr. Renner has agreed with the editors (under Suspect List)......and the discussion between them was resolved at that point, (later being resumed on other grounds however)......

Since he (the author) is not "banned" per se from Wikipedia or editing, I see no reason to find such fault with him overall.
A difference of opinion perhaps,..........but then, everyone has opinions. My husband (for instance) finds a lot of fault with writer Ann Rule, yet she writes prolifically about all manner of true crime cases, albeit with "a certain amount of creative license with the truth". Her books cuase us to examine a little more closely, her more cavalier statements, as to whether they are factual or conjecture on her part.

Overall, unless someone is named as a suspect, I don't think we should "name names".....perhaps only initials as they do here.

But what does this have to do with the Maura Murray case anyway....

:fence:
 
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Here is a photo of the small lot that Maura's car likely sat unlocked for over a year in Haverhill.


A true foul play investigation would mean that the car (The biggest physical piece of evidence) would've been secured the day after the wreck.

The police finally took the car into custody in late June of 2005 from this location.

I would bet dollars to donuts that the only reason Police finally took the car into custody was to give the appearance that they were considering something other than suicide/runaway to once again keep pressure off of them and give the appearance that they were running a balanced investigation.

I still assume that they have other reasons behind not securing the car and submitting it into evidence and not aggressively pursuing a pyschopath murderer that just happened to be stalking Maura that night.
 
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This photo would be of Maura's route after having taken exit 17 off of I-91 right as she entered the town of Wells River.

Maura would've gone up just a few 100 feet further before turning left to get back on the 302. The motel you see on the left is the Wells River Motel which her father would check into a few days later and set-up a make-shift Maura Murray searching headquarters.
 
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And after Maura turned left from Wells River back onto the 302 she would've headed up the 302 a few miles before turning right onto (what turns into)Wild Ammonoosuc Rd.

This is a good three to five minute jaunt deep into the woods down Wild Ammonoosuc Rd. right at the point Maura came up to the sharp curve by the Weathered barn from which she lost control of her car.
 
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