AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #4

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Peggy Carranza

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La Mamá de la pequeña Dulce María Alavez de 5 años, desaparecida desde hace 2 semanas en Nueva Jersey, dice que esta figura de la película "Frozen" es su juguete preferido. Ella teme que su hija está sufriendo.
@UniNoticias

Translated from Spanish by Google:

The mother of the small Sweet Maria Alavez, 5 years old, disappeared for 2 weeks in New Jersey, says that this figure from the movie "Frozen" is her favorite toy. She fears that her daughter is suffering.
@UniNoticias

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Steelslady said:
I also forgot to add- there was a video on here, to which LE led three witnesses into the park and went towards the area that Dulce was kidnapped. There was a small child and two adults with LE- all of their faces were thankfully blurred out by the media. So, two adults saw something- I
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afitzy said:
I do wish that LE or someone from the Prosecutors Office had been present today for the press conference to support the situation. Perhaps LE felt that letting Mom speak to the press on her own might have been important.

IDK.

To me, the timeline of the event of Dulce going missing has always been so so important and it seems like each time Mom speaks we see a shift in the timeline.

We know that in cases like these LE is fixated on the timeline and the associated details. So, IMO LE has to be concerned every time some aspect of the story changes.

I'm not sure how a shifting story or more/different details may or may not help find Dulce but the professionals in this case should be managing the process and I'm not sure sure they did Dulce any favours today by not supporting Mom as she faced the press.

Why have we not heard from LE/Prosecutor in a few days? Is this significant or not? We see the news where the bushes are being shaken hard in and around Cumberland County. Is this related to finding Dulce? IDK.

I do know that many of the basic things we do here on WS for missing cases is hard to do in this case and now it seems like that missing event details shifted again today when Mom addressed the Press.

Not sure what to think about the entire situation at all but the idea of a 5 yo girl away from home for such a long period of time simply makes me ill.

MOO
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I agree it was a concious decision to not have law enforcement present-especially after the prosecutor made a point of saying they hav fbi media specialists on the case.

Could it be they wanted to allow the media to ask mom questions to gauge her response / inconsistencies?

Another reason would be to distance LE from the case and makee it more personal.

I’m not Hispanic and found it very upsetting that the prosecutor could not properly pronounce Dulce name in the last press conference. Then when questioned by a reporter she seemed to dismiss it saying I don’t know what the correct pronunciation is rather than apologizing for butchering the name. IMO Having one Spanish speaking officer by her side was not enough to offset an already uneasy immigrant community.

I know everyone handles stress differently but I find the contrast between mom and grandma emotions and mom statement about her past definitely play a role here more so than the catholic /Spanish guilt angle. I continue to believe it is someone somehow associated with the family for whatever reason.
 
283 said:
Apparently it was disclosed in today press conference the grandparents have both lost their jobs since Dulce went missing. People here were outraged and wondered who their employer was. Someone asked where they worked and I replied.
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Did it say why both Grandparents lost their jobs?
The only reasons I can of think why they would lose their jobs would be the employer doesn’t want attention drawn to the company or they both stopped going to work because Dulce is missing.
 
oceanstarryeyes said:
Did it say why both Grandparents lost their jobs?
The only reasons I can of think why they would lose their jobs would be the employer doesn’t want attention drawn to the company or they both stopped going to work because Dulce is missing.
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Yes or as someone else commented one of the places recently caught fire so maybe combination of things?
 
In the new interview they ask (in spanish) if she has any enemy or someone that could have taken the child, she replies that no, that she was never a problem child at all, on the contrary that she (the mother) is very shy person. That she used to smoke (i asume weed) but that she stoped when she had her children (i dont know if she means the most recent child or Dulce). So a teenager used to smoke weed and party, like a lot of people do, i dont see how its such a big deal and why people keep mentioning the mother past.
 
123spain said:
In the new interview they ask (in spanish) if she has any enemy or someone that could have taken the child, she replies that no, that she was never a problem child at all, on the contrary that she (the mother) is very shy person. That she used to smoke (i asume weed) but that she stoped when she had her children (i dont know if she means the most recent child or Dulce). So a teenager used to smoke weed and party, like a lot of people do, i dont see how its such a big deal and why people keep mentioning the mother past.
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Odd....(the statement about no enemies) because she also said this:

She additionally said Dulce was "has nothing to do with the problems we had in the past, or people we have trouble (with) -- why her? Why does she have to pay the consequences? She's just a small girl. She doesn't even know."

Also trying to understand the statement about her (meaning mom/referencing herself?) having never been a problem child at all and being shy.

I'm not questioning the validity of the statements she made about herself as a child, just wondering how/why a question about her having an enemy or someone who would have a "reason" to have possibly taken her child just 2 weeks ago makes her then reference her childhood and having not been a problem child.

Im not articulating myself well (sorry!) I guess I'm just trying to connect the dots in terms of what significance SHE feels and was trying to convey in terms of herself as a child in relation to having enemies or knowing of someone who would have a reason to do this to her/her family; as if an enemy can only be made in your youth, in her mind?
 
jjenny said:
He couldn't have told her somebody knocked his ice cream out of his hand because he doesn't speak still.
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Please stop referring to the child as "non-speaking". Referring to this article:

Dulce María Alavez's little brother, the last person to see the missing girl, has told police he saw a man "waving his hand, like 'come over here,'" according to Dulce's mother.

FBI Talked with Dulce's Father in Mexico; Still No New Leads

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JerseyGirl said:
Please stop referring to the child as "non-speaking". Referring to this LE article:

Dulce María Alavez's little brother, the last person to see the missing girl, has told police he saw a man "waving his hand, like 'come over here,'" according to Dulce's mother.

FBI Talked with Dulce's Father in Mexico; Still No New Leads

bbm
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That's not the latest information. He is what his mother said at the press conference. This is the quote from the mother from yesterday.


“He was just crying when I went up to him and I asked him, ‘Where is your sister?’” she said. “He pointed behind the buildings. That’s it. Because he can’t speak still.”

Mom was checking lottery ticket, helping with homework when Dulce Alavez went missing
 
JerseyGirl said:
Please stop referring to the child as "non-speaking". Referring to this article:

Dulce María Alavez's little brother, the last person to see the missing girl, has told police he saw a man "waving his hand, like 'come over here,'" according to Dulce's mother.

FBI Talked with Dulce's Father in Mexico; Still No New Leads

bbm

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It was reported the ice cream was knocked from Manuel hand. He either conveyed that somehow or it was misreported
 
MissMalowe said:
Odd....(the statement about no enemies) because she also said this:

She additionally said Dulce was "has nothing to do with the problems we had in the past, or people we have trouble (with) -- why her? Why does she have to pay the consequences? She's just a small girl. She doesn't even know."

Also trying to understand the statement about her (meaning mom/referencing herself?) having never been a problem child at all and being shy.

I'm not questioning the validity of the statements she made about herself as a child, just wondering how/why a question about her having an enemy or someone who would have a "reason" to have possibly taken her child just 2 weeks ago makes her then reference her childhood and having not been a problem child.

Im not articulating myself well (sorry!) I guess I'm just trying to connect the dots in terms of what significance SHE feels and was trying to convey in terms of herself as a child in relation to having enemies or knowing of someone who would have a reason to do this to her/her family; as if an enemy can only be made in your youth, in her mind?
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I think it was my mistake, she didnt say a problem child, she said a problem girl or young woman (like teenager), i apologize. Translating is not that easy to get the same nuances, thats why i dont feel confortable translating the interview, but i just keep reading people talking about the mother past in a way so ominous and had to say something.
 
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A thought: is it possible that Dulce has a different father? Or at least, that another man from Noema's past believes he could be the father?

From what we know, paternity has not been officially established. (?)
This *may* be why she keeps referencing people "they have had problems with in the past", and could explain why authorities might believe Dulce is alive?

It's an "out there" suggestion, I will fully admit. But little about this makes any sense to me.
 
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This article has some more interesting information. Apparently when they have gone to the park in the past, they usually have their dog with them (I recall it is a pit bull mix from some previous publications). This time they didn't have a dog with them. It's a fair assumption that any kidnapper would be reluctant to abduct a child if a big dog was present (especially one that is scary to people). Not sure if it answers any questions (such is whether kidnapper saw the children before, or if this was a crime of opportunity, assuming there was a kidnapper), because it can be interpreted in multiple different directions. But if kidnapper saw the children before, it could explain why he didn't strike until that time when dog wasn't there.

"More typically, the girl and her 3-year-old brother would have headed toward the swing set in company with a large dog the family has. The dog did not come on this trip because the mother said the animal was scary to some people."
Mom was checking lottery ticket, helping with homework when Dulce Alavez went missing
 
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