NJ NJ - Quinton Twp, Jericho Rd, WhtMale 16-22, UP1526, matches -Tolz Realty in Cape May, Jun'79

[Alleykins]

I just clarified with a mod that reaching out on social media where the family has a MP page asking for help is permissible, so what you're all set.
Sorry to have alarmed you.

 

[Alleykins]

Bumping for this case.
Lawrence's DNS profile status reads: Sample submitted - Tests complete
I'm not sure when it was last updated to know how recently.
I wonder if if he's ruled out? I will go check

ETA: Lawrence and Nicholas have both been ruled out according to the UP's NamUs page:
https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/1526

 

[carbuff]

I wonder if Roger Stenholt, mentioned earlier, was ever seriously looked at?

 

[Alleykins]

I wonder if Roger Stenholt, mentioned earlier, was ever seriously looked at?

I know from previous posts he was turned in, but don't know if it was ever compared.

 

[Al Ka]

Just want to highlight few things

http://www.njsp.org/unidentified/salem/u640765261.shtml

* dark blue wool waist-length Lee jacket (Small) with a gold plated initial "R" on the right pocket flap and a small gold plated Cross on the left pocket flap
* Marlboro brand cigarettes. On one side of the pack the words "Meth" and "Weed" are written along with some art work. On the other side of the pack, the words "Joints" and "Pot"
* A full dental chart, partial fingerprint (left ring finger), and the facial reconstruction are all available for comparison.
* DNA: mtDNA Profile available in FBI NMPDD.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/5umnj.html

* "Tolz Realty Co." matchbook

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matchbook-C...d119e99&pid=100005&rk=1&rkt=6&sd=122422059257

Company located in different locations of southern NJ but also in PA (as per matches above). It seemed to be established in 1971.
https://www.manta.com/c/mm2z4r8/tolz-realtors


I have found newspaper article from August 12, 1980 with police appeal to public and newly made clay reconstruction of JD, the same one as we see today. Unfortunately I can't open article but few things I could unscramble are below. If anyone have access, please be so kind to publish original here.

State police said the victim was found in a shallow grave on June 2, 1979 in Quinton Township, Salem County. He was shot and is believed to have been dead six months before the body was discovered. , Authorities described the victim as a white male, 16 to 18 years old, about 5 feet 8 Inches tall, with straight brown hair. He was dressed in a plaid cotton shirt, heavy black and white pullover sweater, denim Jacket, white painter's pants and sneakers. The Jacket had a gold "R" on the right pocket and a gold plated cross on the left pocket

Anyone with Information should call the Major Crimes Unit of the state police. All Information will be kept confidential. : The Associated Press EWING TOWNSHIP

A sculptress who re-created the likeness of an unlden-' tified murder victim Is giving state police new hope in learning the man's identity. ' Col. Clinton Pagano announced yesterday that Betty Gatllft, a forensic sculptress from Norman, Okla., reconstructed facial features by applying modeling clay to the victim's skull. The . Job took three days to complete, using techniques developed almost a century ago, Pagano said. Standards for reconstruction were set in the late 1800s by two Viennese physicians who examined 45 cadavers. The Austrian doctors measured tissue at 18 points on skulls to determine the features of persons in average

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/148197194/

 

[Al Ka]

I came across profile of Robert Afarian few days ago and few details stood out for me, unfortunately I am unable to find more about him then listed in NamUs. He has DNA available.

He went missing from Edgewater, NJ which is approx 30 min from Belleville where JD was found. He went missing in winter 77 (one year prior to what is estimated range 78-79) but would correspond with wearing winter cloth. He had dark hair, his height and weight are match and he has religious symbol tattooed on his arm which would correspond with wearing small cross on his jacket and also R being his first name. JD remains were skeletal, so there is possibility that he could be there year longer or that he could have had tattoo.

Robert does not have photo and his age is quite above range but for some reason I keep coming back to him for all above mentioned details. Would there be big no because of age or is it worth looking into?
https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/17389/6

 

[CountEveryMoment]

What about Douglas Rubin? http://www.nampn.org/cases/rubin_douglas.html

I don't know how accurate google maps is and how accurate it would be for 79, but from Throgs Neck Bridge (where his car was abandoned) to Belleville is 37 minutes.

 

[theshadow45]

Full list of rule outs for Belleville John Doe as of 15 April 2018:

• David Bacon 1946 New York
• Randall Brosius 1954 Pennsylvania
• Lawrence Goodmen 1963 New Jersey
• Michael McLaughlin 1954 New York
• Nicholas Zizzamia 1956 New Jersey

 

[stygianowl]

Hm, Roger Stenholt still not listed in the ruleouts. He does seem like a promising possibility.

 

[theshadow45]

Possibly Dean Heagerty http://charleyproject.org/case/dean-g-heagerty?

 

[theshadow45]

Belleville John Doe has been unidentified for 39 years today.

 

[madamx]

What about Douglas Rubin? http://www.nampn.org/cases/rubin_douglas.html

I don't know how accurate google maps is and how accurate it would be for 79, but from Throgs Neck Bridge (where his car was abandoned) to Belleville is 37 minutes.

I was thinking douglas rubin also but it says he had a size 13 shoe and the john doe has a size 8 shoe

 

[madamx]

I came across profile of Robert Afarian few days ago and few details stood out for me, unfortunately I am unable to find more about him then listed in NamUs. He has DNA available.

He went missing from Edgewater, NJ which is approx 30 min from Belleville where JD was found. He went missing in winter 77 (one year prior to what is estimated range 78-79) but would correspond with wearing winter cloth. He had dark hair, his height and weight are match and he has religious symbol tattooed on his arm which would correspond with wearing small cross on his jacket and also R being his first name. JD remains were skeletal, so there is possibility that he could be there year longer or that he could have had tattoo.

Robert does not have photo and his age is quite above range but for some reason I keep coming back to him for all above mentioned details. Would there be big no because of age or is it worth looking into?
Missing Person Case

he sounds like a close match.. maybe they are wrong with the age on the UID..

 

[madamx]

I know Lawrence Goodman is ruled out But the UID has the same identical shirt Lawrence is wearing

 

[madamx]

Just want to highlight few things

New Jersey State Police - Unidentified Persons - Salem County

* dark blue wool waist-length Lee jacket (Small) with a gold plated initial "R" on the right pocket flap and a small gold plated Cross on the left pocket flap
* Marlboro brand cigarettes. On one side of the pack the words "Meth" and "Weed" are written along with some art work. On the other side of the pack, the words "Joints" and "Pot"
* A full dental chart, partial fingerprint (left ring finger), and the facial reconstruction are all available for comparison.
* DNA: mtDNA Profile available in FBI NMPDD.
CASE NUMBER - 5UMNJ

* "Tolz Realty Co." matchbook

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Matchbook-Cover-Tolz-Realtors-Wildwood-NJ-Cape-May-Villas/311836254238?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=40130&meid=218cb4f40412438d95cc236e9d119e99&pid=100005&rk=1&rkt=6&sd=122422059257

Company located in different locations of southern NJ but also in PA (as per matches above). It seemed to be established in 1971.
https://www.manta.com/c/mm2z4r8/tolz-realtors


I have found newspaper article from August 12, 1980 with police appeal to public and newly made clay reconstruction of JD, the same one as we see today. Unfortunately I can't open article but few things I could unscramble are below. If anyone have access, please be so kind to publish original here.


Asbury Park Press from Asbury Park, New Jersey on August 12, 1980 · Page 16

great find on the matchbook cover Al Ka!

 

[carbuff]

Updated Namus link: Unidentified Person Case

Ruleouts:

MP7072 David Bacon 04/10/1969 Rensselaer NY
MP22270 Randall Brosius 01/21/1977 Dauphin PA
MP35570 Lawrence Goodman 01/19/1979 Bergen NJ
MP7600 Michael McLaughlin 10/23/1975 Onondaga NY
MP9874 Nicholas Zizzamia 05/12/1979 Camden NJ

 

[Tuck]

Could be Stuart Carlson?

 

[Daphne1972]

I think this could be man in foliage, a victim of Rodney Alcala. Which in turn I believe to be Roger Stenholt.

 

[KaylaraOwl]

Could be Stuart Carlson?

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

I think this is a possibility that should be sent in.

 

[Daphne1972]

Is there any place where I can find pics of the cig pack and other items?