NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #1

[jenves]

I know Vegas on a normal day is a very chaotic town 24/7. Lots of overindulged folks walking around (speaking from experience and not belittling anyone) I am interested in knowing if anyone noticed the windows being broken? Surely glass fell below, even if you couldn’t hear it over the concert. What below would the glass have fallen on? (i.e street/sidewalk, courtyard, pool, etc).


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[bears10]

Got it! Thanks.

From the link above (about the girlfriend):

"The former Gold Coast resident was named by Las Vegas police in the aftermath of the shooting and it’s understood her ID was used to book the Mandalay Bay hotel room from where her partner, gunman Stephen Paddock, opened fire."

Interesting. Curious how he was able to check in if the room was in her name. I previously read he used her players card at the slots which would make more sense than him checking in under her name based on my experiences.

 

[epiphany]

Yes. I want a reason too.

I find it grounding to know the reason. I know it frustrates others here who focus on other things like justice or punishment or memorializing the victims. My focus and interest is almost always on wanting a reason.

jmopinion

^^ BBM

We're all varied, but I'm like that, too.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Mighthood-thanks for the info. I’m not versed on Injustice Collectors. But my mind shifted to O.J. being released last night in Vegas. In my opinion there was no trace of humility, instead more entitlement prevailed. “NONE of your business” is how he responded to a journalist/stand by.

I understand he’s not the topic but the parallels are worth noting regardless. We need to be diligent for awareness sake. IMO

 

[mpnola]

Sorry if this has been explained but it's hard to keep up with the thread. How was her ID used to book the room? I was in vegas in July and frequently go to AC and they always ensure the person who's name the room is booked under is present during check in. IMO to prevent people handing off their comps but I'm curious how he was able to check in if the room was in her name and she wasn't present.

All I can think is that they possibly knew them as a couple. I am a VERY small time gambler in New Orleans. I mean, some penny slots with my friend every now and then. And most of the servers know me and know who my friend is, that we belong together and what we drink. So, I can imagine a very high roller is well known and they would possibly allow him to check in on her info, if he said she was on her way or whatever. Just a guess. But, I don't know why he would have felt the need not to check in himself. That's the strange part, to me. Maybe in case a gun dealer tipped off the ATF to a possible issue or something? He would be a little harder to find? Although not much, as he is connected to her. Weird.

 

[dotr]

https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victi...-harvest-music-festival-shooting-in-las-vegas

[h=1]Assistance for Victims of the Harvest Music Festival Shooting in Las Vegas[/h]



The FBI is assisting the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department in responding to and investigating the shooting at the Harvest Music Festival in Las Vegas, Nevada on October 1, 2017. Crimes can have a devastating effect on victims and their families who may need assistance coping with the impact. Providing information and assistance to victims of a shooting is a vitally important part of our response.

The FBI’s Victim Services Division (formerly the Office for Victim Assistance) provides emergency assistance to victims of mass violence crimes due to its extensive experience in responding to victims of these crimes.

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[oceanblueeyes]

I can't help but wonder if he sent her away purposefully to get her out of the way because of his demonic plans. Her ID was used to book the hotel room. IMO, just because she was out of the country when the shootings occurred doesn't mean she is not involved. Can't really understand why she was "cleared" so soon. IMO, she needs to be brought here ASAP to be questioned. I'm not buying the "she wasn't involved because she was out of the country" BS.

Things that make me go hmmm

Her family is from the Philippines. According to ABC News, sources said Paddock has sent “tens of thousands” of dollars to someone in the Philippines in recent months.

I think he may have been planning this for several months.

ETA: It seems like he was giving away a lot of his money knowing he wouldn't be here nor need it and knew it would be hard to get to any of it if it was in the Philippines. IMO This had to be going to his gf or her family.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/steph...gunman-suspect-photos-motive/comment-page-46/

 

[lonetraveler]

Sorry if this has been explained but it's hard to keep up with the thread. How was her ID used to book the room? I was in vegas in July and frequently go to AC and they always ensure the person who's name the room is booked under is present during check in. IMO to prevent people handing off their comps but I'm curious how he was able to check in if the room was in her name and she wasn't present.

I'm curious about that myself. I'm also curious as to why the girlfriend was totally dismissed just because she was out of town. Has FBI not heard of the word "conspiracy"? IMO, there is no way in hell that she would not have known about all the weapons and explosives coming into that house. Don't buy it at all.

 

[Inthedetails]

You know what? We need people who think like that too. Seeking justice is important and honoring those lost is imporant but understanding how these things happen is really important too. I'd argue it is even MORE important in our polarized culture, when so many just try to look for the things that confirm their own narratives and biases. Of course, my brother survived a mass shooter years ago, so maybe that just makes me look at it differently, I don't know.

In that incident, the shooter had a long history of mental illness, and at least one NIH study I found today says that's true in about sixty percent of mass shootings. But it's also true that millions of Americans deal with some type of mental illness and 99.99% of them would never do this, so it certainly can be A factor, but it doesn't seem to be THE factor that explains everything entirely.

The first question out of every reporter's life last night was "is this terrorism?" When LE shot that down, obviously people go looking for other factors. It sure didn't look like workplace violence or domestic violence. As we learned more, it seemed like we could rule out racial or religious motives. And then the brother and LE state they haven't found anything political. What about just being evil? Maybe. It seems unusual for someone that evil to go into later life with such little contact with LE, but like others said he may just not have been caught or we may hear stories come out later that give that angle more support. LE may be playing things close to the vest now as the investigation is still so early.

We may be debating this one for a long, long time. But that's what we do here.

Yes, we need all points of view here. I hope I didn't give the impression that my interests were the proper way to view cases. I appreciate that others have different interests, and respect that I also have my own particular interest.

Carry on! We have work to do.

jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

All I can think is that they possibly knew them as a couple. I am a VERY small time gambler in New Orleans. I mean, some penny slots with my friend every now and then. And most of the servers know me and know who my friend is, that we belong together and what we drink. So, I can imagine a very high roller is well known and they would possibly allow him to check in on her info, if he said she was on her way or whatever. Just a guess. But, I don't know why he would have felt the need not to check in himself. That's the strange part, to me. Maybe in case a gun dealer tipped off the ATF to a possible issue or something? He would be a little harder to find? Although not much, as he is connected to her. Weird.

Since he was a high roller the casino would most likely cater to him and let him have his choice of rooms.

 

[lonetraveler]

Things that make me go hmmm

Her family is from the Philippines. According to ABC News, sources said Paddock has sent “tens of thousands” of dollars to someone in the Philippines in recent months.

I think he may have been planning this for several months.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/steph...gunman-suspect-photos-motive/comment-page-46/

Exactly! I say the sooner FBI gets her butt back into USA, the better. Stinks to high heaven.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

An officer being interviewed on CNN about an hour ago kept calling the crime scene "the killing field." I don't know if he even realized he was saying it.

Good god.

Not knocking him or his choice of words — he is right and they are wholly accurate.


[emoji202]MOO

 

[bears10]

All I can think is that they possibly knew them as a couple. I am a VERY small time gambler in New Orleans. I mean, some penny slots with my friend every now and then. And most of the servers know me and know who my friend is, that we belong together and what we drink. So, I can imagine a very high roller is well known and they would possibly allow him to check in on her info, if he said she was on her way or whatever. Just a guess. But, I don't know why he would have felt the need not to check in himself. That's the strange part, to me. Maybe in case a gun dealer tipped off the ATF to a possible issue or something? He would be a little harder to find? Although not much, as he is connected to her. Weird.

Maybe .. but my husband and I are high rollers and in both AC and vegas they will not do that for us. Maybe we aren't high roller enough idk but we are certainly taken care of. But they are strict on who uses who's players card for perks. If he's such a high roller he'd have his own card IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

An officer being interviewed on CNN about an hour ago kept calling the crime scene "the killing field." I don't know if he even realized he was saying it.

Good god.

Not knocking him or his choice of words — his is right and they are wholly accurate.


[emoji202]MOO

I think he is right on about the description. Very appropriate IMO.

 

[mpnola]

Since he was a high roller the casino would most likely cater to him and let him have his choice of rooms.

Exactly. And let him pay with his known girlfriend's card, since money didn't seem to be an issue.

 

[Inthedetails]

Things that make me go hmmm

Her family is from the Philippines. According to ABC News, sources said Paddock has sent “tens of thousands” of dollars to someone in the Philippines in recent months.

I think he may have been planning this for several months.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/steph...gunman-suspect-photos-motive/comment-page-46/

So strange because as an accountant/auditor, he would have to know that his money transfers would be noticed.

Weird.

jmo

 

[bears10]

Exactly. And let him pay with his known girlfriend's card, since money didn't seem to be an issue.

They are a lot stricter with using other people's players cards than you'd expect. JME

ETA you don't pay for things with players cards. You present them to earn and use perks.

 

[Hraefn]

I'm curious about that myself. I'm also curious as to why the girlfriend was totally dismissed just because she was out of town. Has FBI not heard of the word "conspiracy"? IMO, there is no way in hell that she would not have known about all the weapons and explosives coming into that house. Don't buy it at all.

Upthread it was stated she was still wanted for intensive questioning when she returned to the country.

 

[rsd1200]

I've known folks who were heavy, and fairly successful, gamblers, but they usually had some other type of legit business going on, but, then again, we don't live in NV. So it'd be a little more difficult to make a living on gambling. I've not known anyone who'd give the new neighbors the key to their home, and ask them to keep an eye on their place, because they'd not be living there most of the time. I don't think that SP was ever a "regular guy". l don't know what caused him to do what he did but "regular" folks don't shoot into a crowd of people who have done nothing to them. There's people who have shot others in the heat of passion but this isn't what this was. This was planned. He is reported to have enjoyed making a living from gambling, liked country music, and went to concerts, was fairly well-heeled, liked living in adult only communities, and was not really close with his family but wasn't unkind to them, and his brother said he had no real religious or political affiliations. He decided to take himself out of this world, and for some reason, he was taking as many folks with him as he could. Why? Why murder a bunch of strangers who've never done a thing to you? I think the girlfriend/wife may have some insight.

“He seemed normal, other than that he lived by gambling. He was very open about that," said his former Viera neighbor Sharon Judy. "First time we ever met him, he handed us the key to the house and said, 'Hey, would you keep an eye on the house, we’re only going to be here every now and then.'"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/02/who-stephen-paddock/722267001/#

 

[mpnola]

They are a lot stricter with using other people's players cards than you'd expect. JME

I really understand all that. We both play on my card, but to redeem anything, I have to show my ID. But, the issue is that he checked into the hotel and used her credit card. If they frequent that casino and it is common that they checkin using her name and credit card, then they will be more likely to allow it. It doesn't mean he was using her comps. He is checking in with his known companions card.