NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #1

[Hraefn]

If you book a hotel online you can often put the name of a second person. My fiance and I were long distance and when we'd meet at a hotel whoever arrived first could check in no matter whose name the room was booked under/whose card was used to pay, as long as the other person was on the reservation as well.

 

[cady]

Things that make me go hmmm

Her family is from the Philippines. According to ABC News, sources said Paddock has sent “tens of thousands” of dollars to someone in the Philippines in recent months.

I think he may have been planning this for several months.

ETA: It seems like he was giving away a lot of his money knowing he wouldn't be here nor need it and knew it would be hard to get to any of it if it was in the Philippines. IMO This had to be going to his gf or her family.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/steph...gunman-suspect-photos-motive/comment-page-46/

Hmmm. Could he have been laundering money ?

 

[lonetraveler]

I know Vegas on a normal day is a very chaotic town 24/7. Lots of overindulged folks walking around (speaking from experience and not belittling anyone) I am interested in knowing if anyone noticed the windows being broken? Surely glass fell below, even if you couldn’t hear it over the concert. What below would the glass have fallen on? (i.e street/sidewalk, courtyard, pool, etc).


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Just my take on this but he probably did the window breaking and began shooting almost simultaneously.

 

[HMSHood]

The problem with injustice collectors is that they can be quiet and fly under the radar. Meanwhile their brain is on fire and plotting. Doesn't have to be a justified, they feel slighted and could be by the most benign things. Nothing to us, huge to them.

That is very true.

 

[lonetraveler]

I really understand all that. We both play on my card, but to redeem anything, I have to show my ID. But, the issue is that he checked into the hotel and used her credit card. If they frequent that casino and it is common that they checkin using her name and credit card, then they will be more likely to allow it. It doesn't mean he was using her comps. He is checking in with his known companions card.

My thoughts are that the fact that he didn't check in with his own name or cards is rather strange. Did he think that he might actually be able to escape after murdering these people? I really can't figure out why he would use her name, the reason escapes me.

 

[Inthedetails]

Hmmm. Could he have been laundering money ?

I am half wondering if he's framing the girlfriend. He leaves her ID on the hotel room - she would have her regular ID with her for international travel, but likely left the comp card at home. (I'm not quite buying the story that he used her card to book the room.) He was sending money, apparently, to the Philippines, but as an accountant/auditor he would know full well that his finances would be looked at. Sure enough, the money transfers were discovered within a day of his crime.

He's not stupid - so why the hints in her direction?

IDK where I'm going with this, but this seems a bit sloppy when everything else about his planning doesn't.

jmopinon at the moment, thinking aloud

 

[lonetraveler]

Hmmm. Could he have been laundering money ?

Well, usually money is laundered when the money comes in from sources that are criminally based. His money appears to come from real estate and gambling so I'm not seeing why he would have to launder it.

 

[lonetraveler]

I am half wondering if he's framing the girlfriend. He leaves her ID on the hotel room - she would have her regular ID with her for international travel, but likely left the comp card at home. (I'm not quite buying the story that he used her card to book the room.) He was sending money, apparently, to the Philippines, but as an accountant/auditor he would know full well that his finances would be looked at. Sure enough, the money transfers were discovered within a day of his crime.

He's not stupid - so why the hints in her direction?

IDK where I'm going with this, but this seems a bit sloppy when everything else about his planning doesn't.

jmopinon at the moment, thinking aloud

I just can't see where he could throw her under the bus for mass murdering people. Can't see where it would be feasible to consider her moving all those weapons and murdering all those people. Weird right now.

 

[Amonet]

No disrespect but I have to disagree with you. I think he planned the mass shooting way ahead of time and knew the perfect time would be during this huge concert from the hotel advantage point that he obviously chose, ie., from the 32nd floor with full view of the concert crowd. He took the time and effort to chose the best room and transported up to 15 automatic rifles and ammunition to this room, took a hammer to break out two windows in order to better fire and murder as many people as possible. He had lined up the loaded rifles against the wall along the many windows in the two rooms in order to be able to rapid fire into the crowd.

Curious here, where did you see the hatred of people in general? I haven't seen any motive as of yet.
I do agree that this mass murder did not have anything to do with gambling at all. I'm waiting to see what the investigation finds out on the motive, right now it appears to be unknown.

I was talking more as a generalised type of mass shooter. I do now agree with you that this is probably not this shooter's type, but I still think that what I posted is valid for some of them.

Even the type who act out of hate of humanity due to perceived wrongs against them can keep the feelings in their head and plan a 'great event', I think there can be a lot of differences between the timing of the final 'snap event' and actually committing an atrocity like this, and some may actually never go through with it because something else happens in the interim, in the planning and development stage.

These are my thoughts, anyway. I feel like that mindset has a kind of causality to it that can be 'understood' (I don't mean that it's valid, but just that you can add events together and see how it turned out that way), but this psychopath/sociopath thing is something I have no understanding of....is it even something that can be understood by anyone else? His actions now seem to me to be more of a psychopathic/sociopathic nature.

 

[lonetraveler]

Hmmm. Could he have been laundering money ?

But for whom? He had to know that he was going to commit suicide by murdering all those people.

 

[mpnola]

My thoughts are that the fact that he didn't check in with his own name or cards is rather strange. Did he think that he might actually be able to escape after murdering these people? I really can't figure out why he would use her name, the reason escapes me.

Yeah, me too! Like I said in the last page or 2, the only reason I can think of (other than to just be making sure she was wrapped up in this investigation) is maybe he was worried that the amount of ammo of guns he recently purchased might tip them off to looking for him. And he didn't want them to come knocking on the door in the days before he got to perform his big show. But that still doesn't feel quite right to me because she is so closely connected that they would check her, too. AH! Unless that is why she left town! JUST IN CASE he was reported, it would slow them up finding him and when they looked at her, they would see she was actually out of the country, so wouldn't need to follow her activity. It still doesn't feel right, though. There is definitely a reason he used her info and not his own.

 

[cady]

Well, usually money is laundered when the money comes in from sources that are criminally based. His money appears to come from real estate and gambling so I'm not seeing why he would have to launder it.

Was thinking maybe laundering it FOR someone....real estate and casino gambling are associated w money laundering....but I have no idea how it works. JMO Wild guess...Philippine drug money?

 

[bluesneakers]

Hmmm. Could he have been laundering money ?

So he was only pretending to make a living off the gambling and the money was coming from somewhere else? Maybe. I don't know how to explain sending the money to the Philippines. Laundering. Paying someone off. Giving the money away. Or... ? Could he have been planning on running and starting over there?

 

[Inthedetails]

I just can't see where he could throw her under the bus for mass murdering people. Can't see where it would be feasible to consider her moving all those weapons and murdering all those people. Weird right now.

I'm not thinking he was trying to blame her for the shootings, but simply to make her life hell. LE is looking at her, the public is wondering about her....and he made sure that would happen.

Total speculation off the top of my head. The money transfers and leaving the ID just seem....odd.

jmopinion at the moment

 

[Spice]

My thoughts are that the fact that he didn't check in with his own name or cards is rather strange. Did he think that he might actually be able to escape after murdering these people? I really can't figure out why he would use her name, the reason escapes me.

Maybe to throw off Law Enforcement for a bit? I mean, the only reason that you would use another person's I.D. would be to mask your own. Is he maybe angry with her? She is out of the country. Did she break it off? It could be nothing. Or maybe there is some kind of symbolism involved. "Look what you made me do" and I checked in under YOUR name while committing this atrocity. He couldn't have known they would blow his door in. Maybe he checked in with her name/cards just to send the police on a chase, looking for the wrong person. Looking for her? In any event, it looks like he wanted to involve her no matter what.

 

[bluesneakers]

Was thinking maybe laundering it FOR someone....real estate and casino gambling are associated w money laundering....but I have no idea how it works. JMO

I think it's possible. This man probably had some secrets.

 

[Amonet]

There's a really good post a few pages back by HMSHood about injustice collectors.

I don't know, but I think this was too random in the 'targeting' for an injustice collector. Don't they normally attack those who they perceive to be in the 'group' that they associate with the injustice?

I find it hard to see how country music fans/concert goers could be the target of an injustice collector, isn't it normally a lot more specific?

 

[lonetraveler]

I was talking more as a generalised type of mass shooter. I do now agree with you that this is probably not this shooter's type, but I still think that what I posted is valid for some of them.

Even the type who act out of hate of humanity due to perceived wrongs against them can keep the feelings in their head and plan a 'great event', I think there can be a lot of differences between the timing of the final 'snap event' and actually committing an atrocity like this, and some may actually never go through with it because something else happens in the interim, in the planning and development stage.

These are my thoughts, anyway. I feel like that mindset has a kind of causality to it that can be 'understood' (I don't mean that it's valid, but just that you can add events together and see how it turned out that way), but this psychopath/sociopath thing is something I have no understanding of....is it even something that can be understood by anyone else? His actions now seem to me to be more of a psychopathic/sociopathic nature.

I agree that what you posted does indeed cover some of the murderers actions. So far in this case it's a mystery as to what could have caused this break. The facts so far point to a premeditation and careful planning on how to cause the most casualties. I keep expecting to hear the "missing link".

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Do you have a link? I can only find that he committed suicide before they entered. TIA!

I dont have a link but I have seen it on Fox several times this evening. When they blew the door down he was able to shoot one officer in the leg and then he committed suicide thereafter as they stormed his room.

 

[Inthedetails]

I agree that what you posted does indeed cover some of the murderers actions. So far in this case it's a mystery as to what could have caused this break. The facts so far point to a premeditation and careful planning on how to cause the most casualties. I keep expecting to hear the "missing link".

My fingers are crossed that the girlfriend is not involved in the planning of the crime, that she talks to LE, and she gives insight on why and how this all happened.

Tall order, I know.

jmopinon