NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #3

[Msskeptic]

Thanks but if he killed himself how did it end up on top of him? Is that a gun in his hand?

My theory is that he placed it over his foot, laid down on the floor, and shot himself with a handgun, which is probably in his right hand or in mouth.

 

[Footwarrior]

I don't know much of anything about guns. I have never had one never seen one shot besides on some kind of screen tv/phone/computer.

Anyways my question.. is there enough power for a bullet to do into the ground?

Yes. After a shooting law enforcement will often use metal detectors to look for bullets buried in the ground.

The bullets being fired in Las Vegas were going faster than the speed of sound. Fast enough to pass through one victim and wound another. Some will be found in the victims. Others will be imbedded in equipment or walls or vehicles.

ETA: Counting the brass shells in the shooters hotel room will give us a precise figure on how many rounds were fired.

 

[Msskeptic]

Thanks but if he killed himself how did it end up on top of him? Is that a gun in his hand?

His left hand is on top of the stock of another rifle. He set down the rifle on the bi-pod over his foot. He laid down, on top of another rifle. Shot himself in the head with a gun out of the picture.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Does this mean that you do not believe LE reports that he killed himself?

Of course he did I was just curious. Maybe he was sitting down and it was in his lap.

 

[Msskeptic]

I think that the failure of the jet fuel tanks to explode messed up his plan, making escape impossible. Having said that though, I can't imagine what sort of escape might have been possible in any event.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Thanks but if he killed himself how did it end up on top of him? Is that a gun in his hand?

I think that is the glove that he wore for heated barrel protection.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Google and Facebook spreading misinformation on Las Vegas

[video]http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/02/media/facebook-google-misinformation-las-vegas/index.html[/video]

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Of course all those bullets were fired. I'm not denying that. I could hear them with my own ears. But 3,000 - 4,000 empty bullet casings would leave a HUGE mess. They'd be all over the carpet. You'd be lucky to see the carpet. There would be piles of them. All I see in the photos are random bullet casings scattered on the floor next to the body and the guns. What happened to the rest of them?

I'd expect them to be piled beside the two firing positions by the windows. I've seen nothing to suggest that any of the leaked photos were taken near the windows in what was in effect a very large suite.

Nobody in law enforcement will address that question.

Why should they? They're conducting an active murder investigation. They don't owe you or anyone else an explanation for what they're doing and saying.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

On a side note, is there not any other pictures of this man? It's that same photo with his eyes closed.

It appears there are only 3 photos of him out there so you keep seeing the same ones.

I mean, in the world of cell phones with cameras on them surely to goodness someone has taken other pictures of the couple, or someone's taken a couple shots of him when they visited family or friends.

As I said on a previous thread in this case, some people just do not like being photographed. It's a very recent development to have almost everyone carrying a camera (in a phone) at all times and whipping it out at the drop of a hat.

 

[jjenny]

I think that the failure of the jet fuel tanks to explode messed up his plan, making escape impossible. Having said that though, I can't imagine what sort of escape might have been possible in any event.

He could have escaped if he manged to leave the room before anybody showed up outside of it. Maybe he thought he had more time before people figured out where he was?

 

[Gooddeeds]

Graphic/eerie

“Paramedic crews took more than 200 patients to the hospital, the chief said.

After the attack, many bodies were clustered by the music festival stage, said firefighter-paramedic Bob Stout, who was with a team of firefighters and police who went inside the concert venue to search for anyone left behind.

It was an eerie scene, strewn with bullet-pocked bodies, abandoned bottles, camping chairs, sunglasses and cell phones, he said. The cell phones kept ringing and ringing.

One of the tour buses was riddled with bullet holes. Stout and others followed trails of blood out of the venue; one trail went 200 yards to a parking lot, where presumably the victim who’d been bleeding was picked up”


Snipped from:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las-vegas-shooting-20171005-story.html

 

[jjenny]

It's been reported that Paddock might have had some sort of plan to escape. I can't even imagine what that would have been. He was 6'4" tall, and casinos have lots of security cameras. I just can't come up with any plausible ways he thought he might have been able to escape, without some kind of help.

Lets say he shot for 8 minutes then quickly left the room before security showed up, got into his car and left. Not saying he would have been able to escape forever, but at least for a little while. Supposedly he had more guns left and explosives, maybe his plan was to continue killing more people somewhere else?

 

[Msskeptic]

I was looking at (the few) pictures of Paddock to try to determine whether he was left or right handed. And, whoa...came across a crime scene photo that shows his face. It's very graphic so I certainly won't link to it. I wasn't aware that photo had been leaked in addition to the others until just now.

Anyway, the photo is really strange. He is laying face up, flat on his back. About three feet above his head lies a handgun. It looks to me like he might have been shot in the back of the head with that gun, as there is a line of blood straight to it. But how on earth could he have done that himself?

Also, in other photos, it appears he may have been left-handed. He is holding a drink in his left hand, and appears to lead slightly with the left in other photos. But in the crime scene photo, his left hand is straight down at his side, over the stock of long gun (which extends under him at 90 degrees).

 

[Msskeptic]

Lets say he shot for 8 minutes then quickly left the room before security showed up, got into his car and left. Not saying he would have been able to escape forever, but at least for a little while. Supposedly he had more guns left and explosives, maybe his plan was to continue killing more people somewhere else?

The hotel knew who he was though, he used his real name plus he was familiar to them. Security cameras would have captured his escape, and shown exactly what car he got in and what direction he went. It just doesn't seem plausible.

 

[jjenny]

The hotel knew who he was though, he used his real name plus he was familiar to them. Security cameras would have captured his escape, and shown exactly what car he got in and what direction he went. It just doesn't seem plausible.

So what if they would have figured out who he was? If he left the room before security guard was outside of it, he could have escaped at that moment, and before hotel figured out who he was. Obviously he would have become a subject of a manhunt, but they would have to find him first. If he managed to leave the room before security and police showed up, he could have escaped at least for a period of time before everybody was looking for him.

 

[Msskeptic]

So what if they would have figured out who he was? If he left the room before security guard was outside of it, he could have escaped at that moment, and before hotel figured out who he was. Obviously he would have become a subject of a manhunt, but they would have to find him first. If he managed to leave the room before security and police showed up, he could have escaped at least for a period of time before everybody was looking for him.

Sure, but it just seems to me that he'd have realized beforehand how much noise he was going to make and that he'd be located quickly. Also, one unarmed security guard couldn't have stopped him, why didn't he just go right after he shot the security guard?

 

[jjenny]

Sure, but it just seems to me that he'd have realized beforehand how much noise he was going to make and that he'd be located quickly. Also, one unarmed security guard couldn't have stopped him, why didn't he just go right after he shot the security guard?

He wouldn't know if security guard was armed or not. Also it sounds like within a very short time after he shot security guard, there were other people near his door.

 

[rotary_dial]

Anyway, the photo is really strange. He is laying face up, flat on his back. About three feet above his head lies a handgun. It looks to me like he might have been shot in the back of the head with that gun, as there is a line of blood straight to it. But how on earth could he have done that himself?

I'm guessing SWAT kicked it away from his body when they entered the room. Although clearly deceased from the blood coming out of his mouth they probably don't take any chances.

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[mpnola]

I was looking at (the few) pictures of Paddock to try to determine whether he was left or right handed. And, whoa...came across a crime scene photo that shows his face. It's very graphic so I certainly won't link to it. I wasn't aware that photo had been leaked in addition to the others until just now.

Anyway, the photo is really strange. He is laying face up, flat on his back. About three feet above his head lies a handgun. It looks to me like he might have been shot in the back of the head with that gun, as there is a line of blood straight to it. But how on earth could he have done that himself?

Also, in other photos, it appears he may have been left-handed. He is holding a drink in his left hand, and appears to lead slightly with the left in other photos. But in the crime scene photo, his left hand is straight down at his side, over the stock of long gun (which extends under him at 90 degrees).

Uuuummmm..... it looks like it was placed in the mouth and shot up, to me. His face would be much more damaged if it came from the back. Small entry wound. Large exit wound.

This next part isnt directed at my reply
This is the weirdest thread I have ever been on. Is it really so hard to believe that this guy shot out 2 windows with mass amounts of guns he brought up in rolling luggage, probably a couple of bags a day, and shot so many people? I mean, these people didn't hurt themselves as a conspiracy. I listened to the scanner. There was only 1 gun at a time. And it was a ton of gunfire! It has also been seen and heard in video. What is the need to try to make this horrible situation somwthing else? Seriously! It's starting to feel very disrespectful to the victims.

And by the way... if you are shooting your gun, the bullets are not usually what you are picking up. You pick up the shell casings that drop near the gun. The bullets usually explode and many bullets or fragments are still inside a body, when a person is shot. (I have a gun and shoot my gun, but I'm no expert, so a gun person can edit that, as they need to. But that's the gist of it.

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[CARIIS]

Uuuummmm..... it looks like it was placed in the mouth and shot up, to me. His face would be much more damaged if it came from the back. Small entry wound. Large exit wound.

This next part isnt directed at my reply
This is the weirdest thread I have ever been on. Is it really so hard to believe that this guy shot out 2 windows with mass amounts of guns he brought up in rolling luggage, probably a couple of bags a day, and shot so many people? I mean, these people didn't hurt themselves as a conspiracy. I listened to the scanner. There was only 1 gun at a time. And it was a ton of gunfire! It has also been seen and heard in video. What is the need to try to make this horrible situation somwthing else? Seriously! It's starting to feel very disrespectful to the victims.

And by the way... if you are shooting your gun, the bullets are not usually what you are picking up. You pick up the shell casings that drop near the gun. The bullets usually explode and many bullets or fragments are still inside a body, when a person is shot. (I have a gun and shoot my gun, but I'm no expert, so a gun person can edit that, as they need to. But that's the gist of it.

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TY that helped on the street now where are thousands of the other shells that if I am understanding ought to be all over the floor

just asking

I am haunted by the cab video tho the flashes are perfect in terms of the audio of the bullets and sounds and there is no way there are not differences is location of noises and volume

I find that confusing