NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[bears10]

I couldn’t watch the PC so apologies in advance if these questions are redundant.

How did this get figured out, that the security guard was shot beforehand, a week after it happened? Did security guard mislead them or was it an internal communication issue?

Do MB security guards have walkie talkies or some form of communication devices? If so, did Jesus Campos reach out to anyone when it happened? And then chaos took over and things got confusing?

Wasn’t it reported that the security guard stuck around to help until LE forced him to seek medical attention? So wtf was he doing for the 11 minutes during the shooting? Meaning it came across like he was ready and able to help LE when they came up 40 min later or whatever. What was he doing while the killer was shooting? I’m really lost.


For the record, I do not believe there is a LE coverup or conspiracy by any means.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

This LA Times article has some good info about video poker and SP's gambling habits by those who observed him.

I found this quote interesting:

“Video poker is the worst of the worst. The reason it works so well is it compels you to keep playing through random reinforcement,” he said. “The next hand might be the big one. You might get a flush or a full house, and that keeps you hanging in there. It gives you just enough positive feedback to keep you hooked into it.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-gambler-20171009-story.html

 

[sds71]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...as-shooting-investigation-20171009-story.html
Sheriff: Vegas gunman aimed at fuel tanks as diversion

 

[m00c0w]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story,amp.html
The gunman who attacked a country-music concert in Las Vegas shot a security guard in the hotel before beginning his assault on the concertgoers, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday, a significant change to the timeline of the massacre that officials had previously given to the public.

This calls a whole lot of things into question now. This is exactly the kind of massive contradiction that I’ve been talking about.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

All I know is I've listened to the original police scanner the night of the shooting and it started at around 10pm and went in until approx 11:20 with SWAT "Breach, Breach, Breach"!

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

This LA Times article has some good info about video poker and SP's gambling habits by those who observed him.

I found this quote interesting:

“Video poker is the worst of the worst. The reason it works so well is it compels you to keep playing through random reinforcement,” he said. “The next hand might be the big one. You might get a flush or a full house, and that keeps you hanging in there. It gives you just enough positive feedback to keep you hooked into it.”

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-gambler-20171009-story.html

But it has much better built-in odds from a gambler's perspective than regular video machines.

 

[Gooddeeds]

This calls a whole lot of things into question now. This is exactly the kind of massive contradiction that I’ve been talking about.

-SAME HERE!!! So where are the photos of all of this??? I know we are not allowed to view them as per active investigation, but I hope we eventually will get the Big (whole) picture.

 

[m00c0w]

I couldn’t watch the PC so apologies in advance if these questions are redundant.

How did this get figured out, that the security guard was shot beforehand, a week after it happened? Did security guard mislead them or was it an internal communication issue?

Do MB security guards have walkie talkies or some form of communication devices? If so, did Jesus Campos reach out to anyone when it happened? And then chaos took over and things got confusing?

Wasn’t it reported that the security guard stuck around to help until LE forced him to seek medical attention? So wtf was he doing for the 11 minutes during the shooting? Meaning it came across like he was ready and able to help LE when they came up 40 min later or whatever. What was he doing while the killer was shooting? I’m really lost.


For the record, I do not believe there is a LE coverup or conspiracy by any means.

The sheriff said that he was shot and linked up with police in a matter of seconds.

The sheriff said he shot over 200 rounds into the hallway at the security guard.

Neither of these “facts” now line up with what we’re now being told or video evidence. These are major discrepancies, and I’m not sure how at all this conflation happened in the first place. The first gunfire we hear in videos are a few steady, controlled rounds being popped off, likely at the fuel tanks. Then we hear the volleys that start killing people at the concert. Where were these 200+ rounds?

This makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Spice]

The new timeline and significant change in events definitely raises questions. What happened in that six minutes from him shooting the security guard and shooting at the crowd. It raises definite questions and I really want to hear what the answers are.

I don't believe this is somehow evidence of a conspiracy or anything whatsoever untoward by LE or first responders. There are always contradictions in these attacks due to the utter and complete chaos that is inherent at the scene. A change in information is just that. A change in information and more clarity as the dust settles. If they wanted to cover something up or were being nefarious they wouldn't release the new information and would avoid the criticism and avoid quenching the thirst of conspiracy theorists and the websites that churn them out on a constant basis.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I am not ready to "Dismiss" his absolutely constant gambling as irrelevant. I am more interested in the possibility that there is a connection to his literal constant preoccupation with gambling and the possibility of the existence of a possible cluster B personality disorder as the linked studies have researched and found prevalence. That's all.

Also, for someone that was so apparently smart and numbers savvy (An understatement at this point), he had to know that gambling machines and video poker are geared toward the house. So no matter how good he was with numbers, the machines / video poker are not there to put the house out of business. He had to know that. He may have been somewhat successful at not losing it all (that we know of) because he was so good at analyzing. But in the end it would have been a losing game. Yet he persisted, to the tune of 20,000 dollar hands sometimes 14 hours straight. Does that sound at all balanced or like simple hobby to any of us? Does that not sound compulsive, obsessive, impulsive, and pathological?

It does to me. And we don't definitively know yet if he had any debt or financial ramifications due to his constant gambling.

Please keep on posting. Your expertise, knowledge, & experience are obvious and appreciated.

 

[Gooddeeds]

I couldn’t watch the PC so apologies in advance if these questions are redundant.

How did this get figured out, that the security guard was shot beforehand, a week after it happened? Did security guard mislead them or was it an internal communication issue?

Do MB security guards have walkie talkies or some form of communication devices? If so, did Jesus Campos reach out to anyone when it happened? And then chaos took over and things got confusing?

Wasn’t it reported that the security guard stuck around to help until LE forced him to seek medical attention? So wtf was he doing for the 11 minutes during the shooting? Meaning it came across like he was ready and able to help LE when they came up 40 min later or whatever. What was he doing while the killer was shooting? I’m really lost.


For the record, I do not believe there is a LE coverup or conspiracy by any means.

“How did this get figured out” EXACTLY! Have I missed details on the security guard? He’s the first person in that area, he either has a phone or radio relay device for any issues that arise. What did he immediately do after he was shot? Was he in shock? Surely they can look at his phone for details that may help?

 

[ohreally]

I am not ready to "Dismiss" his absolutely constant gambling as irrelevant. I am more interested in the possibility that there is a connection to his literal constant preoccupation with gambling and the possibility of the existence of a possible cluster B personality disorder as the linked studies have researched and found prevalence. That's all.

Also, for someone that was so apparently smart and numbers savvy (An understatement at this point), he had to know that gambling machines and video poker are geared toward the house. So no matter how good he was with numbers, the machines / video poker are not there to put the house out of business. He had to know that. He may have been somewhat successful at not losing it all (that we know of) because he was so good at analyzing. But in the end it would have been a losing game. Yet he persisted, to the tune of 20,000 dollar hands sometimes 14 hours straight. Does that sound at all balanced or like simple hobby to any of us? Does that not sound compulsive, obsessive, impulsive, and pathological?

It does to me. And we don't definitively know yet if he had any debt or financial ramifications due to his constant gambling.

The point I was making was that we don't know enough to label him addicted to gambling. IMO.
I looked up the DSM-5 Diagnostic Criteria for Gambling Disorder. He needs four of the nine. I don't think with what we know we can put a check next to even one of the criteria. https://www.problemgambling.ca/EN/ResourcesForProfessionals/Pages/DSM5CriteriaGamblingDisorder.aspx
Everything I have read says he did not have money problems.

 

[What'sThatClue]

Sheriff Lombardo tonight's presser video: http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/sheriff-las-vegas-mass-shooter-fired-at-nearby-fuel-tanks/

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

But I am not referring to you and you did not meticulously plan and carry out a massacre of innocent people.

Oh, I'm sorry, I must've misunderstood. I thought you were asking how that excessive length of time sounded to "any of us"? So, it was rhetorical question, maybe.

Your post:

Originally Posted by Spice
I am not ready to "Dismiss" his absolutely constant gambling as irrelevant. I am more interested in the possibility that there is a connection to his literal constant preoccupation with gambling and the possibility of the existence of a possible cluster B personality disorder as the linked studies have researched and found prevalence. That's all.


Also, for someone that was so apparently smart and numbers savvy (An understatement at this point), he had to know that gambling machines and video poker are geared toward the house. So no matter how good he was with numbers, the machines / video poker are not there to put the house out of business. He had to know that. He may have been somewhat successful at not losing it all (that we know of) because he was so good at analyzing. But in the end it would have been a losing game. Yet he persisted, to the tune of 20,000 dollar hands sometimes 14 hours straight. Does that sound at all balanced or like simple hobby to any of us? Does that not sound compulsive, obsessive, impulsive, and pathological?


It does to me. And we don't definitively know yet if he had any debt or financial ramifications due to his constant gambling.

Just my opinion, maybe, but attempts made by lay people to try to adamantly categorize him as an addict or other wise mentally ill based on 'how it appears to us' ("does that not sound ___ to you?") --prior to the authorities attempting to piece together his medical history from those who knew him best-- seems a bit premature to me. In other words, if his gambling wasn't detrimental to his life prior to the killing, it seems a bit like Monday morning quarterbacking for us to try to label him after the shooting as pathologically addicted, for the purposes of ascribing some sort of reason to this horrific event.

IMO, JMO, etc.

 

[Gooddeeds]

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“He shot the security guard...and then shot himself”.

Did the security guard radio in that SP shot himself? I mean did he hear the 2 gunshots fired from SP? And the audio from these 2 (SP) gunshots, please refresh my memory-what device was it that recorded on? TIA

-We need these answers. Anyone have a clue at this point?

 

[Ambitioned]

This calls a whole lot of things into question now. This is exactly the kind of massive contradiction that I’ve been talking about.

What the he double hockey sticks is going on?!!

 

[Spice]

Please keep on posting. Your expertise, knowledge, & experience are obvious and appreciated.

That is so sweet of you. i love reading all of the thoughts and posts and ways that different people relate to this. I am going to work on getting verified so until then, just all my humble opinion. But thank you for your thoughts. :blushing:

 

[Gooddeeds]

-We need these answers. Anyone have a clue at this point?

“Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said.

Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

******“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.*******

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.

****Representatives for the Mandalay Bay hotel casino and the union representing Mandalay Bay’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment****

-Well at least we know we were trying to connect the dots for good reason. Why would 60Minutes not include the security guard?!?!

 

[m00c0w]

Really? Like which ones?

A few. Here's a list from World Bank that gives you countries to cross-reference. I don't have the time or desire to go through all of them, but within the high-income countries, the ones I did find after some random checking were Bermuda, Lithuania, Qatar, and several other Caribbean islands.

https://datahelpdesk.worldbank.org/.../906519-world-bank-country-and-lending-groups

 

[al66pine]

Sheriff’s Oct 9 stmt re shooter & “personal protection equipment” in shooter's room.

^ http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/36556165/sheriff-still-dont-know-motive-of-las-vegas-shooter


Has anyone seen more specific info about type of PPE shooter had? Anyone?

First thing I thought of = BALLISTIC VEST or bullet resistant vest, sometimes labelled as a bullet proof vest. More detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest (Has anyone here seen MANUF. claiming its product is BULLET PROOF VEST? I have not.)

Could also be one or several items, imo, like respirator, eye protection, hearing protection, other protective clothing, glove, helmet, etc.
^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_of_personal_protective_equipment

JMO.