NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[What'sThatClue]

The guard was shot at 9:59pm after seeing/hearing Paddock drilling into a wall. Shooting into crowd didn't start until 10:05pm...Sheriff Lombardo stated they have no idea why he stopped shooting.

My question is, what took the guard so long to report the shooting? Something's strange here...jmo.


http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/sheriff-las-vegas-mass-shooter-fired-at-nearby-fuel-tanks/

 

[m00c0w]

The new timeline and significant change in events definitely raises questions. What happened in that six minutes from him shooting the security guard and shooting at the crowd. It raises definite questions and I really want to hear what the answers are.

I don't believe this is somehow evidence of a conspiracy or anything whatsoever untoward by LE or first responders. There are always contradictions in these attacks due to the utter and complete chaos that is inherent at the scene. A change in information is just that. A change in information and more clarity as the dust settles. If they wanted to cover something up or were being nefarious they wouldn't release the new information and would avoid the criticism and avoid quenching the thirst of conspiracy theorists and the websites that churn them out on a constant basis.

I'm not sure how "I was shot and then I heard a ton of automatic gunfire for 10 minutes" and "I was investigating, got shot at, and then he stopped shooting" are easily confused, even in the fog of war.

 

[Spice]

Oh, I'm sorry, I must've misunderstood. I thought you were asking how that excessive length of time sounded to "any of us"? So, it was rhetorical question, maybe.

Your post:


Just my opinion, maybe, but attempts made by lay people to try to adamantly categorize him as an addict or other wise mentally ill based on 'how it appears to us' ("does that not sound ___ to you?") --prior to the authorities attempting to piece together his medical history from those who knew him best-- seems a bit premature to me. In other words, if his gambling wasn't detrimental to his life prior to the killing, it seems a bit like Monday morning quarterbacking for us to try to label him after the shooting as pathologically addicted, for the purposes of ascribing some sort of reason to this horrific event.

IMO, JMO, etc.

Again. I am interested in the possibility of the connection of his gambling and a possible presence of a personality disorder as according to the professional literature I linked. You can call it armchair/monday morning quarterbacking. I call it processing and exploring possibilities with what we know and what we don't know. And the comment that appears to have been taken personally was specifically surrounding the level of his gambling activity, which in his own words , averaged 365 days per year 14 hours per day, X amount of (Astronomical) "coin through" . You can come to your own conclusions about the severity of his gambling being pathological or not. i have my own. imho

 

[Gooddeeds]

What the he double hockey sticks is going on?!!

-Seriously, this is peculiar at best! Someone diverted the security guard from publicly giving his story...in my opinion...and...my opinion may change due to the changing reports.

 

[Gooddeeds]

The guard was shot at 9:59pm after seeing/hearing Paddock drilling into a wall. Shooting into crowd didn't start until 10:05pm...Sheriff Lombardo stated they have no idea why he stopped shooting.

My question is, what took the guard so long to report the shooting? Something's strange here...jmo.


http://fox6now.com/2017/10/09/sheriff-las-vegas-mass-shooter-fired-at-nearby-fuel-tanks/

-I’m shocked that a week has passed and this is now emerging. What did he “SEE” him drilling with?

 

[Gardenista]

Thank you very much. I missed the press conference and am wondering if there were any other big changes to the timeline or other interesting info. TIA

He also officially changed the shooter's check-in date from the 28th to the 25th.

 

[enelram]

-Seriously, this is peculiar at best! Someone diverted the security guard from publicly giving his story...in my opinion...and...my opinion may change due to the changing reports.

I recall, thinking it was strange that the sheriff initially said the security guard hung around to help direct SWAT to
the correct room. I figured the guard must have just been minorly grazed if that were the case. Wonder if he wasn't hit at all??

 

[Ambitioned]

-I’m shocked that a week has passed and this is now emerging. What did he “SEE” him drilling with?

And what was he drilling? Holes for cameras? Cables?

 

[Gardenista]

-I’m shocked that a week has passed and this is now emerging. What did he “SEE” him drilling with?

In the 60 Minutes interview, the guys who stormed the room said he had all kinds of tools in his room.

 

[Gardenista]

And what was he drilling? Holes for cameras? Cables?

I need to go back and listen, but today the sheriff was talking about him drilling into a wall (but he didn't finish that drilling job) and the guys who stormed the room said he used the drill to screw the door to the stairwell shut.

 

[al66pine]

m00c0w post
“I'm notsure how "I was shot and then I heard a ton of automatic gunfire for 10minutes" and "I was investigating, got shot at, and then he stoppedshooting" are easily confused, even in the fog of war.
Q: Were security guard’s purported quotes ^ recorded by LEor MSM and reported verbatim, via audio?
OR
Was one or were both ‘relayed’ possibly thru LE, MSM, SM, bystanders,and thus possibly not given verbatim?
Anyone?
Sorry, I have not been following closely enough to knowanswer to ^ question.

m00c0w Thx for yourinformative posts, esp re ballistic matters.

 

[kittythehare]

Did his gambling cause distress? Dysfunction? Was it dangerous?

In reality, we know almost nothing about his gambling habit other than he did it a lot. That, in and of itself, does not make someone an addict. You make an allegory to smoking and nicotine. There are no indications that he had any issues not gambling for periods of time, that he couldn't give up gambling if he so chose to do so, or that he was truly "addicted" in any way, other than he spent a lot of time at casinos, sometimes. Sometimes he went on month-long trips. It may have just been something he was good at and enjoyed (analyzing numbers and probability with absolutely no social interaction), and made him feel comfortable while also earning money. That would point to a disorder besides a gambling addiction... We just don't know enough to say for certain what was going on in his life, and you certainly don't have to be "headless" to have reservations about making judgements with what little information we have.

I'm not seeing an addiction here either.
Gambling was his 'work', his job. His recreational life may have been his extra curricular sexual habits, assuming his engaging of prostitutes was a long term 'hobby' and not something recent.
He was good at it. NYT article described his assessment accuracy upon seeing log machines for each machine. It was possibly genius level.

 

[Gone Girl]

From the moment I heard that security guard story, I posted here that it was not believable. Then it seemed if you said one word that didn't coincide with the Sherrif's narrative, you were branded a conspiracy theorist. THIS is why we leave our minds and ears open. NOONE knows the true narrative in this horrible story!!!

 

[mpnola]

Uh oh!! Soooooooooo..... was security guy hurt so badly that he couldn't leave the hall? Because why was he still on the 32nd floor to meet the swat team, as well as the maintenance guy?

I am wondering if its not the police story that is changing, rather the security guard. Maybe that was the 2 single gun shots? I wonder if the wound care discovered one type of bullet fragments, rather than another.

I'm not insinuating anything, but I am keeping my ears open for more info about this situation. I guess that would be one way to be able to know you would likely get by with your plan- if you have security in on it with you. It would also explain the Wynn slip of using the service elevator. We all know he wasn't using MD employee ID to access areas, since she didn't work there.

 

[kittythehare]

I need to go back and listen, but today the sheriff was talking about him drilling into a wall (but he didn't finish that drilling job) and the guys who stormed the room said he used the drill to screw the door to the stairwell shut.

I am wondering whether he was drilling wall to mount a gun to kill whoever entered room first? Pure speculation.

 

[jjenny]

I'm not sure how "I was shot and then I heard a ton of automatic gunfire for 10 minutes" and "I was investigating, got shot at, and then he stopped shooting" are easily confused, even in the fog of war.

It's not. Did they know all alone security guard was shot before other people were shot, because the timeline the way they presented it wasn't making much sense?

 

[mpnola]

Well, that was fast! Pic of him in this article.............. uh

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/jesus...ing-mandalay-bay-shot-stephen-paddock-photos/

 

[kittythehare]

He also officially changed the shooter's check-in date from the 28th to the 25th.

3 full days missing. YET all media stated he had checked in on 28th, initially.
I wonder whether he actually did 'check in', but did not occupy the room. the word 'occupy' was used by sheriff.

 

[Gardenista]

From the moment I heard that security guard story, I posted here that it was not believable. Then it seemed if you said one word that didn't coincide with the Sherrif's narrative, you were branded a conspiracy theorist. THIS is why we leave our minds and ears open. NOONE knows the true narrative in this horrible story!!!

LOL, I was going to mention that whoever here who said the SG story sounded fishy nailed it.

However, I'm not sure nobody knows--I have a feeling the FBI knows exactly what/why this happened and for sure the staff at Mandalay Bay who have been leaking documents know what mis-information has been put out by MSM via LE.

Probably need to follow the money, but I haven't been down that rabbit hole yet. As an example, are any of these big casinos owned by any of the same humongous corporations that include the MSM?

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

They have enough casino surveillance footage, shooters footage (yes, I believe there's filmage the shooter took), witnesses Smart phone footage, police scanner recordings, etc. to have very little discrepancy remaining.

And yet, here we are with changing storylines. Ugh...