NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #4

[enelram]

I watched the brother’s interview. He was freaked out. Trying to assimilate the most incredible of info. We have the interview with the killer’s friend who managed his apartments that gives a similar view of the generous kind nature of the killer.

I have never met a person who is kind but underneath is a monster. But weren’t the Mafia bosses good to family, but all the while killing?

I would disregard brother's opinion of brother as biased and I would take w/ grain of salt the mgr/employee who came forward. Was she just an employee? Was she a drinking buddy too? Was she a pot somokin' buddy too? See where I'm going with this. Some references you disregard but try to get a much larger perspective.

 

[rsd1200]

My theory is that hotel didn't want to involve the police or didn't take his call seriously, but why?
I cannot tell you how many venues I worked security that would tell us NEVER call the police EVER. cover their *advertiser censored* mode.

This probably sounds silly but, I think you're probably right. I've been thinking... Las Vegas is billed as; What happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas! They are well known as a place that you can go and do pretty much what you want 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, and no one will know. An adult playground. Just like the old AC/DC tune, Vegas was known in my day as "Sin City". I've read, been told by friends, about some of the absolute bat***** crazy stuff that goes on in Vegas. I think it may be a case of staff becoming desensitized.

People commit suicide in those motels after losing everything. Very few hotels have rooms with balconies or windows that open in Vegas. Las Vegas has a very high suicide rate. The hotel does not like to advertise suicides in their rooms. I think that they figured SP was a drunk, despondent, gambler, who was shooting up the room, and killed himself, since the gunfire stopped after he shot the security guard. It was a leg wound, he was still around when they stormed the building, so they did anyone at the hotel take the guard to the hospital. Did they even call an EMT for the guard?

Sorry if the above questions have been answered, I'm catching up.

 

[enelram]

I have, although in the opposite way. I know someone who has been a monster to their children, while friends and the public believe he is kind and generous.

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Very common for some to have a "Public Face" and a behind closed doors "Private Monster Face".

Just this morning on news father arrested for killing his 17 mo. old daughter by drowning her in tub while wife is working. He calls wife and tells her what he did, she calls police.

Seems wife just had him served with divorce papers. Bunches of neighborhood (men) are interviewed about what a great guy he was, what a terrific father strolling with baby every morning, blah, blah. Mr. Nice Guy?

 

[CARIIS]

Investigation is fluid, but some fundamental information, such as timeline, presumably should have been established quickly before making erogenous claims. There were two people inside the hotel shot at, that we know of-a security guard and a hotel engineer (sometimes described as a "maintenance worker), before suspect started shooting at people outside. We know for sure that at least the engineer radioed hotel and asked them to call the police, because msm obtained that recording. So how hard was it to establish the timeline?

and as we learn more more nuance presents itself

- the employee badge being used all over the hotel is bothersome

- I could even kill someone if I shot 200 rounds -- a boo boo on his leg is somewhat ludicrous. I have doubts about the 200 shots.

the doorway sure looked reasonably good after someone with a machine gun is supposedly 20 feet away . For some reason the word pulverized comes to mind ! J

- I think our Sheriff got a volley into the crowd misplaced -- and now does not want to come out and say i made another mistake there were not 200 rounds in the hallway. And no one person hurt -- out of 200 shots in close proximity there is leg boo boo -- defries logic logic of any kind!

So the dude is blasting 200 rounds down the corridor and the room service cart is 8 feet away from this and it is pristine. What are room service carts machine gun proofed or something ! China was all nicely placed despite a hailstone if raging bullets?

Table cloth not a scratch?

After seeing the diagrams - is when this line of thinking was born

And while we are here - the primary witness is taking a vacation with zero explanation?
Before the FBI arrives .

The dynamic between the two of them becomes more and
more understandable . "Excuse me, you let our only witness take a vacation because he felt like getting out of town for moment? In the biggest shooting in the nations history and you are signing hall passes?

The discussion, on the dispatch audio (hey just a fact guys - not a conspiracy here - its on the tape) of three not one, not two but three black vans being kindly escorted by LE to the airport after the biggest shooting in history? Then afterwards the airport is locked down?
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Some of it like that Naked GUn movies !

Much is off kilter-and imo we are so far past ludicrous land.......

 

[fred&edna]

I wonder how much time it took to get hotel guests out of harm's way before approaching the shooter's room?

Anyone know.... How many occupants of rooms on the 32nd floor were evacuated, and was it the "quickly-assembled quasi-swat team" (from the "60 Minutes" interview) who did all the evacuating??


ETA: I think this would factor-in to the "response time" by LE (jmo)

 

[x_files]

This probably sounds silly but, I think you're probably right. I've been thinking... Las Vegas is billed as; What happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas! They are well known as a place that you can go and do pretty much what you want 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, and no one will know. An adult playground. Just like the old AC/DC tune, Vegas was known in my day as "Sin City". I've read, been told by friends, about some of the absolute bat***** crazy stuff that goes on in Vegas. I think it may be a case of staff becoming desensitized.

People commit suicide in those motels after losing everything. Very few hotels have rooms with balconies or windows that open in Vegas. Las Vegas has a very high suicide rate. The hotel does not like to advertise suicides in their rooms. I think that they figured SP was a drunk, despondent, gambler, who was shooting up the room, and killed himself, since the gunfire stopped after he shot the security guard. It was a leg wound, he was still around when they stormed the building, so they did anyone at the hotel take the guard to the hospital. Did they even call an EMT for the guard?

Sorry if the above questions have been answered, I'm catching up.

crazy but possibly didn't think it was that out-of-control.
So many unanswered questions that hopefully will eventually answered.

 

[Cryptic]

- I think our Sheriff got a volley into the crowd misplaced -- and now does not want to come out and say i made another mistake there were not 200 rounds in the hallway. And no one person hurt -- out of 200 shots in close proximity there is leg boo boo -- defries logic logic of any kind!

I agree. Those rounds would have been going through doors and walls and firing that many would involve several magazine changes- even with SPs what, double capacity magazines. Then the noise of firing a weapon in a hallway. Yet, no other guest in that floor mentioned a wild gun fight in the hotel, or related bullets going through walls etc.

 

[enelram]

According to MSM there were 51 LVMPD officers working overtime at the concert, on the grounds. Yet the LVMPD says
they had to assemble a "makeshift SWAT team" to go to hotel from LVMPD headquarters. Is headquarters so closeby
that there was no advantage to assembling officers on concert grounds? Or was it because they were not qualified
to participate as "makeshift SWAT team" member??

 

[CARIIS]

This probably sounds silly but, I think you're probably right. I've been thinking... Las Vegas is billed as; What happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas! They are well known as a place that you can go and do pretty much what you want 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, and no one will know. An adult playground. Just like the old AC/DC tune, Vegas was known in my day as "Sin City". I've read, been told by friends, about some of the absolute bat***** crazy stuff that goes on in Vegas. I think it may be a case of staff becoming desensitized.

People commit suicide in those motels after losing everything. Very few hotels have rooms with balconies or windows that open in Vegas. Las Vegas has a very high suicide rate. The hotel does not like to advertise suicides in their rooms. I think that they figured SP was a drunk, despondent, gambler, who was shooting up the room, and killed himself, since the gunfire stopped after he shot the security guard. It was a leg wound, he was still around when they stormed the building, so they did anyone at the hotel take the guard to the hospital. Did they even call an EMT for the guard?

Sorry if the above questions have been answered, I'm catching up.

A lot of this makes sense but onlu imo in the context of maybe 10 shots. Ok we get a call a sec has a leg wound. 6 minutes later it sounds like WW2-- and noone is putting the ww2 sounds together with a staff member being shot 6 minutes earlier? Security? What kind of training do they have then? And smoke alarms door alarms going off -- and we dont think we might need a cop?

Forget all that -- did we ever here about the his colleagues even give a ringy dingy for an ambulance? What kind of friend are any of these people if they hear a colleague has been shot and they don't even call for EMT?

Cops arrive and they forget to call SWAT for like 18 minutes. Cops are pulling into the hotel area and there are like 7000 people running all over the streets screaming and a cop does not , in this day and age, think humm we may need SWAT ........

 

[CARIIS]

According to MSM there were 51 LVMPD officers working overtime at the concert, on the grounds. Yet the LVMPD says
they had to assemble a "makeshift SWAT team" to go to hotel from LVMPD headquarters. Is headquarters so closeby
that there was no advantage to assembling officers on concert grounds? Or was it because they were not qualified
to participate as "makeshift SWAT team" member??

Oh brother thanx a lot- did not know there 51 cops there

jeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Seems there have been so much bad reporting by the msm. Apparently a story about suspect being seen with a prostitute isn't true? And his girlfriend never claimed his mental health deteriorated in recent months. And yea, his brain is normal-for those who kept insisting he had to have a brain tumor.
By the way police didn't help matter by providing erroneous timeline for a week-something they should have been able to quickly figure out, considering that security guard informed hotel and hotel apparently did inform the police.
So instead of getting closer, we are even further away from what the motive was. His brain is normal, his mental health was fine, and he didn't see hookers.

I think it is naive to assume the timeline police provided "an erroneous timeline for a week." They were developing the timeline. They just didn't tell the public about it until they were pretty sure it was right. It was flushed out. Added to. Improved.

Saying it was something that could have been "quickly figured out" ignores just how complicated this case truly is. I keep thinking back to the OKC bombing. It was
MONTHS before there was a solid timeline and accurate list of actors and coconspirators. Patience, m'dear.


[emoji202]MOO

 

[margarita25]

Not sure if posted already:

Bump Stock Producer Slapped With Lawsuit Over Vegas Shooting
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/11/bump-stock-producer-slapped-with-lawsuit-over-vegas-shooting/

"A personal injury law firm is now suing the producer of bump stocks — devices that can be fitted to a semi-automatic weapon to simulate fully-automatic fire — over its reported role in the Las Vegas shooting."

Snip

"The inventor of bump stocks, Jeremiah Cottle, has said he created the device to help the disabled who have difficulty operating firearms, according to The Dallas Morning News.*Cottle’s small town company is based in Moran, Texas, a town with only 300 residents.

If the court decides in the firm’s favor, Slide Fire Solutions will be responsible for covering the costs of concert-goers ongoing mental health treatment."

 

[fred&edna]

According to MSM there were 51 LVMPD officers working overtime at the concert, on the grounds. Yet the LVMPD says
they had to assemble a "makeshift SWAT team" to go to hotel from LVMPD headquarters. Is headquarters so closeby
that there was no advantage to assembling officers on concert grounds? Or was it because they were not qualified
to participate as "makeshift SWAT team" member??

And, there were officers already inside (or close) to the hotel. Did they wait for the makeshift squad??

Some police officers had already been inside the Mandalay Bay building responding to another, unrelated call when the attack happened, Roberts said."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-las-vegas-guard-20171010-story.html

 

[Isabelle]

WATCH: Investigation into Las Vegas shooter; gunman's girlfriend and brother under new scrutiny: http://abcn.ws/2yfPIEA
[video=twitter;918073656651030528]https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/918073656651030528[/video]

Unless I'm deaf, I didn't hear anything about new scrutiny as concerns Paddock's brother.

 

[CoolJ]

People bring tons of suitcases . That is why hotels have those huge dollies for suitcases. I think nothing of it. At the international terminal in Tm Bradley you see people with a lot of cardboard boxes as well.

He could definitely have gotten numerous large pieces of luggage up to his room over a period of a few days without raising suspicion.

But, I want to see video of him doing so. They should have numerous clips of him bringing "luggage" up to his room. I want to see all of them. I need to see that to put the story together. I do not blindly believe what authorities tell me.
I lay the evidence out in front of me and then make an intuitive conclusion. And then I get called a "conspiracy theorist" for doing so. For trying to seek out the truth.

 

[Isabelle]

Not sure if posted already:

Bump Stock Producer Slapped With Lawsuit Over Vegas Shooting
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/11/bump-stock-producer-slapped-with-lawsuit-over-vegas-shooting/

"A personal injury law firm is now suing the producer of bump stocks — devices that can be fitted to a semi-automatic weapon to simulate fully-automatic fire — over its reported role in the Las Vegas shooting."

Snip

"The inventor of bump stocks, Jeremiah Cottle, has said he created the device to help the disabled who have difficulty operating firearms, according to The Dallas Morning News.*Cottle’s small town company is based in Moran, Texas, a town with only 300 residents.

If the court decides in the firm’s favor, Slide Fire Solutions will be responsible for covering the costs of concert-goers ongoing mental health treatment."

As my husband predicted. They better have a s*load of insurance. Also, I knew I read somewhere that the device was supposed to help the disabled. What a crock!!! I am completely opposed to this type of device.

Adding, I don't believe for one second that this device was invented to help the disabled use a gun easier. That's a bunch of BS. Would like to see complete documents on the filing for a patent on this device.

 

[CARIIS]

I think it is naive to assume the timeline police provided "an erroneous timeline for a week." They were developing the timeline. They just didn't tell the public about it until they were pretty sure it was right. It was flushed out. Added to. Improved.

Saying it was something that could have been "quickly figured out" ignores just how complicated this case truly is. I keep thinking back to the OKC bombing. It was
MONTHS before there was a solid timeline and accurate list of actors and coconspirators. Patience, m'dear.


[emoji202]MOO

I do not think too many are not understanding that this will take time .

Having an alive witness that is coherent who can report what happened first and second is just not a big idea

It kinda seems to me moo a lot of folks are glossing over the stare in our face truth was him reporting the timeline , a lie, has done what he lied about -- make the FBI need to know why his dept failed so miserably in that first hour

It was imo a cya lie -- and that is not acceptable . --

Under his leadership the FBI is investigating the people he supervises, his dept, for all sorts of felonies -- we have an issue

 

[Miss Magnolia]

So now the hotel is challenging the new timeline?
Why - because their security ****ed up? Lawyers are circling?

According to ah, yesterday, SG encounters SP and is shot 6 minutes before shooting into crowd. What happened in between that time? What did the security guard do and, what did management do?

If they don't get this all figured out, the good people of Nevada will be looking at one hotel for sale, cheap.

I am trying to wrap my head around all this.

What prompted the security guard to go to that particular floor?

It was initially reported that it was the smoke from the gun fire that prompted LE to go up to shooters room. Was it from the gun fire inflicted on the Security Guard?

Anyone know what force it takes to shatter those windows?

 

[MistyWaters]

This probably sounds silly but, I think you're probably right. I've been thinking... Las Vegas is billed as; What happens in Vegas, Stays in Vegas! They are well known as a place that you can go and do pretty much what you want 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, and no one will know. An adult playground. Just like the old AC/DC tune, Vegas was known in my day as "Sin City". I've read, been told by friends, about some of the absolute bat***** crazy stuff that goes on in Vegas. I think it may be a case of staff becoming desensitized.

People commit suicide in those motels after losing everything. Very few hotels have rooms with balconies or windows that open in Vegas. Las Vegas has a very high suicide rate. The hotel does not like to advertise suicides in their rooms. I think that they figured SP was a drunk, despondent, gambler, who was shooting up the room, and killed himself, since the gunfire stopped after he shot the security guard. It was a leg wound, he was still around when they stormed the building, so they did anyone at the hotel take the guard to the hospital. Did they even call an EMT for the guard?

Sorry if the above questions have been answered, I'm catching up.

You describe it extremely well. That's my sense of the place also and by trips there now and again, while it has gotten far glitzier and glamorous over the years, nothing has really changed.


Considering the mass confusion created by the echo of the gunshots including bullets ricocheting, plus the possibility of any wanna-be heros on the street (who carried) shooting in the direction of the perceived gunfire, it's possible an old guy on the 32nd floor wasn't immediately deemed to be a public threat.

 

[x_files]

I am trying to wrap my head around all this.

What prompted the security guard to go to that particular floor?

It was initially reported that it was the smoke from the gun fire that prompted LE to go up to shooters room. Was it from the gun fire inflicted on the Security Guard?

Anyone know what force it takes to shatter those windows?

silent door alarm?