NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[canadiangirl]

Seems there can be many different reasons for jamming, the correct term is malfunction. Depending on what the cause of malfunctions, sometimes casings are not ejected but stay caught in barrel. Many causes of malfunction, not cleaning
gun, poor design, faulty user position, etc.

Bumps stocks? JMO

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[m00c0w]

Seems there can be many different reasons for jamming, the correct term is malfunction. Depending on what the cause of malfunctions, sometimes casings are not ejected but stay caught in barrel. Many causes of malfunction, not cleaning
gun, poor design, faulty user position, etc.

If I had to guess, he probably wound up with a bunch of bolt overrides from the increased rate of fire and probably poor maintenance he was performing on the weapons, along with crappy SureFire mags that jam a ton anyway. You're not unjamming a bolt override unless you know what you're doing, and even then it's tricky and is time-consuming.

 

[ninij9]

Other sources just say 489 injured. The very most I've been able to find would be around 200 people actually shot, and that's from adding numbers reported in various sources from various hospitals. I have not seen a consolidated number anywhere.

I can only find one hospital with a breakdown of it's pts. released. Of 180 treated 124 were gunshots and I believe 12 died there. And this was only the one hospital. I will try to get more info to find out how many were actually shot by going from hospital to hospital release. Shrapnel counts as well.

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[Betty P]

Honestly I think the hotel major liability problem is apparently that someone in their employ gave him their id giving him ways to go wherever he wants .

That is a security breach,

It becomes more a problem when a guest is is shot and dead in your hotel!!!!

Amazed at how low reported this angle has been

it has many many possible implications imo..................

That's another story I'd like to revisit. Was his girlfriend really an employee of MB? That was reported days ago, but was it an error? Information is becoming scarce as survivors are beginning to file lawsuits.

 

[ninij9]

Trying to compile a list (impossible) but I'm crunching numbers. There are still almost 30 victims in critical condition from the shooting. Now I'm hoping that alot of my data is needing updating, and I'm glad there hasn't been any added to the victim deceased list. I've been trying to get an idea of just how many people were shot, including shrapnel and ricochet.

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[CARIIS]

I'm surprised other guests didn't come into the hallway looking to see what the noise was. I doubt they all immediately thought' gun shots'.

Me too

I can only conclude that there was no one in that wing

Guests would be coming out of the woodwork doing interviews on their experiences

That is an experience --machine guns murder mayhem gun smoke in your hallway supposedly hearing 200 bullets soar by your room hearing someone out your door screaming take cover take having to
relocate to another afterwards etc etc

A lot of the interviews after stuff like this is therapeutic for a lot of folks

Clinically it is actually very helpful for victims to talk about and then talk about after talking about after talking about (!) about what you experienced and are feeling, fearing ,thinking

It takes much more energy to try to hold back crying than it is to let to it flow and out

Group therapy is the best modality imo, for these things - being in a room with other human beings that were actually involved in the trauma themselves is far more helpful than having an individual session with a clinician that was not there, has no real way (compared to other victims who actually did experience the smells sounds etc etc )

omo

 

[CARIIS]

Iona, that was a fake cnn site.. the story was bs.
bUT I did notice that..

The interview I was talking about was NBC not CNN

The my side initially took me back too.

But then as I listened it kind of hit me like he was trying to say from what I experienced

who knows

he was very nervous (being on national tv for some can be scary) his mouth was very dry- can indicate profound anxiety.

 

[canadiangirl]

http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2017/10/las_vegas_shooting_die_tonight_woman.html

We all likely remember this.. It hasn't been expanded upon but this woman who was warning people was apparently Hispanic with a Hispanic male and they were escorted out of the venue 45 mins before. With this new timeline and conflicting stories which as the FBI said should not be difficult to figure out, it does make me question where JC actually was, what his role was, and if he knew anything. Not saying he's the only Hispanic in LV but this interview hasn't sat well with me since it was released. MOO

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[lstiff]

Did anyone else see this? She survived the initial shooting but died this week in her sleep.

http://www.vvdailypress.com/news/20171009/after-escaping-las-vegas-shooting-high-desert-phoenix-foundation-co-founder-dies-suddenly

RIP Kymberley

Carry on, I like how this thread is moving all over with various topics concerning this shooting! These questions need to be asked and answered. -IMO

 

[JaneEyre]

Me too

I can only conclude that there was no one in that wing

Guests would be coming out of the woodwork doing interviews on their experiences

That is an experience --machine guns murder mayhem gun smoke in your hallway supposedly hearing 200 bullets soar by your room hearing someone out your door screaming take cover take having to
relocate to another afterwards etc etc

A lot of the interviews after stuff like this is therapeutic for a lot of folks

Clinically it is actually very helpful for victims to talk about and then talk about after talking about after talking about (!) about what you experienced and are feeling, fearing ,thinking

It takes much more energy to try to hold back crying than it is to let to it flow and out

Group therapy is the best modality imo, for these things - being in a room with other human beings that were actually involved in the trauma themselves is far more helpful than having an individual session with a clinician that was not there, has no real way (compared to other victims who actually did experience the smells sounds etc etc )

omo

I remember an interview with one guy who did try to leave his room and was told to go back inside.

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[bears10]

Idk, BH seemed to change her mind recently about the “you’re all gonna die” woman


She added that the mysterious woman seemed to take ire with another girl in the crowd, and that her comments about everyone dying might have been directed at that woman.

“It seemed like she was more focused on another girl that was up a little bit farther, and that she was really messing with her, and the other people were kind of trying to keep her away from her. So that’s why I thought it was more of a personal type thing,” she said.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...-crowd-they-were-all-going-to-die-before.html

 

[MistyWaters]

That's another story I'd like to revisit. Was his girlfriend really an employee of MB? That was reported days ago, but was it an error? Information is becoming scarce as survivors are beginning to file lawsuits.

I looked and could find no reports that the GF ever worked there, only that SP met her while she worked at a casino in Reno a few years back. Anyway it's not as if SP was unknown to the or he needed her to slyly sneak him into the Mandalay under the darkness of the night. Neither could I find any MSM reports that SP paid for the room under any name but his own. Even if he did, I wouldn't consdering that's an overtly diabolical move considering his relationship to her was no secret.

Some of the theories that fly around are way over my head because they're missing the "so what?" Maybe it's just me.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2017/10/las_vegas_shooting_die_tonight_woman.html

We all likely remember this.. It hasn't been expanded upon but this woman who was warning people was apparently Hispanic with a Hispanic male and they were escorted out of the venue 45 mins before. With this new timeline and conflicting stories which as the FBI said should not be difficult to figure out, it does make me question where JC actually was, what his role was, and if he knew anything. Not saying he's the only Hispanic in LV but this interview hasn't sat well with me since it was released. MOO

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This chick was like the third interview I saw in the whole mess -- and it just did register for me

Not like any big deal but

your out a loud concert

people are drinking

a mild confrontation might have occurred between a couple of concert goers in front of her



I thought maybe

she misunder the context of statement

If someone is "connected" to someone who is gonna murder people why on earth would a person warn people that they want to kill

Murderers want to kill! Not warn





!!

 

[Betty P]

Found it interesting the friend set up go fund me saying he was shot while on "random patrol". Wasn't he sent to the 32nd floor for the door alarm?

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Both, I guess? Here's a link to the original ABC News article written after they interviewed Campos by phone:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/security-guard-las-vegas-gunman-unarmed/story?id=50290318

Campos was on "random patrol" as a security officer at the hotel when he found the shooter, said Liliana Rodriguez, who identified herself as a coworker of Campos' at Mandalay Bay on a page she set up for him.

Campos went to investigate a door alarm on the 32nd floor of the hotel when he "came under fire," Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said in a press conference Friday.

He was patrolling the hotel when he got an alert about a door alarm on the 32nd floor. Schuck got a similar alert that called him to the 32nd floor.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...ker-narrowly-escaped-gunman-s-rampage-n809726

 

[CARIIS]

The GF's ID was in the accommodation, were the new rooms booked in her name?

This never made any sense to me!!

Another flub

initially came out as he had her employee ID on him

problem is she never worked there !

 

[JaneEyre]

http://www.syracuse.com/us-news/index.ssf/2017/10/las_vegas_shooting_die_tonight_woman.html

We all likely remember this.. It hasn't been expanded upon but this woman who was warning people was apparently Hispanic with a Hispanic male and they were escorted out of the venue 45 mins before. With this new timeline and conflicting stories which as the FBI said should not be difficult to figure out, it does make me question where JC actually was, what his role was, and if he knew anything. Not saying he's the only Hispanic in LV but this interview hasn't sat well with me since it was released. MOO

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That seems pretty off the wall and random to me to suspect a Mandalay security guard may have gotten out of his security clothes, not been missed at work, gained entry to a ticket-only event, walked around with a woman who was telling people who would not get out of the way so that she could shove her way to the front of the stage that they were going to die, not be recognized by any concert security even when escorted out, go back and change into security clothes (again while not being missed at work), and within about 30 minutes get shot in the hall - all because he is Hispanic and was at work in the hotel the shooter was in.

That sounds almost...unbelievable.

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[MistyWaters]

Seems there can be many different reasons for jamming, the correct term is malfunction. Depending on what the cause of malfunctions, sometimes casings are not ejected but stay caught in barrel. Many causes of malfunction, not cleaning
gun, poor design, faulty user position, etc.

Do you know, might the bump-stock used on the semi-automotic weapons cause jamming as well? It just seems to me that any device that's supposed to make something into something different often isn't as good as it's supposed to be.
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bump-fire-stock-ar-15-stephen-paddock-guns-deadlier/

On that topic, I wonder why SP didn't buy fully-automatic weapons instead?

 

[enelram]

Just an aside to consider when reading "Las Vegas Review-Journal"
Newspaper was purchased in 2015 by Sheldon Adelson, local billionaire who also owns Las Vegas Sands Expo and Convention Center, Venetian resort & Casino. Numerous editors and reporters left after he purchased it due to
control of editorial content. reporters claimed many local stories were off limits.

Just more food for thought on how so much $$$ and power is inter-connected in LV.

 

[CARIIS]

You see he was already a guest in a free room for a few days before he moved into the shooting suite, which he paid for, well .. I dont know about paid for.. unless he paid in advance..In the course of his time in the free room, he made several trips to his home and back.. the purpose of the trips was not disclosed..he would not necessarily have entered the foyer with all these bags in one go, he would just have had them moved from free room to killing rooms..

From the get go this angle has confused me

The endless curiosity about how did he get his luggage into his room

embedded in that is he should have been caught carrying on arsonal in

human beings + suitcases is not a if you see something say something kinda deal !!


human beings + suitcases = hotel!

If was walking throu the lobby with a tied up person might cause a question or two

what is the expectation that a
human being + suitcases in a hotel ought to have caused a major investigation instantly!

Or if someone was strolling through the lobby with gas tanks ah stop and explore further!!

This question lingered for days and days

but then we got it confirmed that he was roaming throughout the hotel using some employee ID

that certainly helps explain possibly mode he used to get his stuff up

this hit me as a ah ha when I found out he was - with somones help (to get the ID card) to avoid security things in the lobby

that imo is why needed to find some way to get and use an employee ID badge

most employees are not going to lose their jobs and give some guest their employee ID

that would be flat out dumb IMO

the only notion I can come up with up is an awareness of why the stuff is being bought up via the bowels of the hotel

OR he paid some employee to use his ID

or more complicated than that

 

[enelram]

Do you know, might the bump-stock used on the semi-automotic weapons cause jamming as well? It just seems to me that any device that's supposed to make something into something different often isn't as good as it's supposed to be.
Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bump-fire-stock-ar-15-stephen-paddock-guns-deadlier/

On that topic, I wonder why SP didn't buy fully-automatic weapons instead?

Could be but I'm no gun expert, just know what I read.
What I've read that fully automatic weapons are very difficult to obtain as well as expensive, like $65,000 each.