NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[Ambitioned]

There were no reports of shooter walking in hallway, he was drilling door of his own room when campos allegedly heard the drilling noise. The stairwell door had been drilled earlier.
all the shots he took were from within his room, either through the door or while peeking out..

Where did they come up with 200 btw? The door certainly has bullet holes in it - but not what I'd expect from "200."

 

[Gardenista]

-What happens in a case like 60Minutes? If there is proven untruths given by the show guest, are they subject to legal ramifications from the 60 Mins organization/types? Because they didn’t go on and say “this is what we think happened based on what...”. They themselves are the firsthand source speakers.

Forgive me/brain fog, i’m not doing a swell job on articulation at this moment.

LOL, no if that was the case 60 Minutes would have to sue itself.

 

[m00c0w]

Well Houston ... the plot clots. Wasn't it reported that the SG or ? went to the 32nd floor because the smoke detector/alarm was going off? That would have been after quite a bit of shooting I would think.

The latest “clarification” is a door was ajar for too long and sending a signal to security, who told Campos to go check it out. The door was unrelated to the shooter, or so they’ve made it seem.

 

[enelram]

Where did they come up with 200 btw? The door certainly has bullet holes in it - but not what I'd expect from "200."

The Sheriff like the # 200- also 200 pics of shooter walking around town alone.

 

[ohreally]

I do believe that people at the festival or near truly believe that there was more than one shooter because of sounds. On August 27th in Vegas hundreds of people were running away from what they thought was gun fire. There was not a gunshot. Something fell and made the sound of what people thought was gunfire.

 

[kittythehare]

I am searching for a report I read or shared here within past 36 hrs stating police were present in the hotel on a different floor for 'another matter' when the shooting first started..
This is why the hotel is in trouble, cops were already there but were not informed. I'll keep searching. so I can link it because I believe its pretty important..
Meanwhile I found this, have a look again, good refresher.. slightly GRAPHIC images but
from article
Early report so inconsistencies but-
McMahill didn't make it clear exactly when the SWAT team was in place, but said that at 10:38pm, a security guard approaching Paddock's room was non-fatally shot. The guard, who is still in hospital, sent 'digital information' to cops, McMahill said.

this is why I have some confusion re suicide
The video shows bullet holes piercing the left side of the suite's double doors, confirming reports that Paddock shot at officers as they tried to break into the room. However, most of the door is knocked down from the SWAT team's forceful - but necessary - entrance.

Bear in mind dailymail is not brightest star in sky but they do occasionally invest in stories and looks like they did so in this case, not saying its all accurate
have a look
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

If accurate he fired shots through the door while they were breaching..??? This cannot be accurate, can it? what was he doing all that time and how come no reports of fatal to himself shots while or post breach?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-mandalay-20171012-story,amp.html
The company that runs the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino has disputed the timeline offered by Las Vegas police for the Oct. 1 mass shooting at the hotel, suggesting Thursday that very little time elapsed between the time gunman Stephen Paddock shot a hotel security guard and when he started firing on a concert crowd outside

This just seems ridiculous to me. We have listened to the radio transmissions. So do we believe Mandalay account or the radio transmissions?

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[kittythehare]

Where did they come up with 200 btw? The door certainly has bullet holes in it - but not what I'd expect from "200."

I reckon he must have opened the door and peeked and shot.. Did sg 2 not refer to door being slightly ajar while he was being shot at?

 

[alsleuther]

Yes, I thought the door open alarm was for the hallway exit door. Why would SP have had that door open for an extended period of time? And how could he have drilled it shut earlier in the evening with noone hearing him? All so confusing.

 

[Gooddeeds]

-My own repeat since we are on the nitty-gritty of this:


Why would Campos "discover" SP if he hadn't done anything criminal yet? Why would SP shoot Campos if he hadn't done anything yet to cause suspicion? Did he see Campos through the peephole? Or did he hear him? I’m too tired to remember if I already knew this.

 

[kittythehare]

"They" being who? MSM, Security, or LE? Because I'm not buying what security is saying until LE confirms this as truth. Security reporting a timeline that takes responsibility for a 6 minute gap in calling 911 off of them does not mean there is a great possibility of a second shooter in my mind.

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read it again.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Ugh oh

Houston we have a problem -- I have never been able to ascertain if the long shots of the hallway were the actual floor

i am sorry to say --that this legendary reporter from CBS news

starts his his piece with for the first time we are going to see the 32 floor

now the problems start

200 bullets down the hallway

well, take a look for yourselves --if anyone notices anything looks like one bullet pls advise

Whats amazing is they do clsoeups

look at the wall right behind the cart gorgeous just gorgeous !

look at the door right next to door that was supposedly blown out by SWAT - on its hinges - not even a bit out of line

The molding around the entire thing is fine

then in the beginning when people started looking for spent shell casings the notion was that he was blowing everything up in front of the curtain so all the spent shell casings were actually all behind the curtain. Ok then - we will just say for some reason the curtains did not go down in a blazing inferno - what do i know ?

now with this video per our Sheriff 200 rounds were fired .

So now in my head with a close up for the first the first time I eagerly look around and freeze to see all the spent casings in front of the door on the inside .

What do I discover - does not even need a vacuum

the close up of the machine gun on the tripod , on the floor , in close up looks like it could be in a machine gun hall of fame museum!

There is a mass murderer running around the round there are are 200 bullets swirling about , swat is bombing doors off its hinges (well not really!) for some reason the machine gun on its tripod looks like it is smiling for selfie !!

It is not even , at least , on a little bit of an angle -- a tiny bit of kilter !

Nope she stands all perfect and pretty on her tripod!!

But study some more !!

Apparently the hotels TV screens are SWAT bomb breaching dynamite scratch resistant coated with something.

Makes the Samsonite luggage elephant commercial look lam!

Oh come now that is funny for us old folks!

I dont get how stupid they have been .

[video=youtube;2HFzEGFtpgQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HFzEGFtpgQ[/video]

But they do not show the wall directly across from the doorway, which is where most of the bullet holes would be. I don't see the problem. Where do you expect those bullets to be?

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[bears10]

-My own repeat since we are on the nitty-gritty of this:


Why would Campos "discover" SP if he hadn't done anything criminal yet? Why would SP shoot Campos if he hadn't done anything yet to cause suspicion? Did he see Campos through the peephole? Or did he hear him? I’m too tired to remember if I already knew this.

He was drilling the staircase door shut so he was doing something criminal IMO

 

[al66pine]

{Tech difficulties, so my cut-+-pastefrom word doc. does not format spacing, etc. correctly in this WS post. Sorry}

Has anyone searched Clark County court records to see if a will has been filed for probate? If so, pls post results. Thx in adv.

Per Clark County, NV Recorder’s Office info (below)* for Mesquite NV home, Stephen is the only grantee,** i.e., home was in Stephen’s name as the only owner.
Per Washoe County, NV Recorder’s Office deed*** re Reno home, SP “a single man” is only grantee.

Soooooooooo, appears IMO that Eric could inherit either or both properties thru probate ct proceedings by -
--- a will in which Stephen named Eric to receive it/them (did he leave a will?) or
--- NV intestacy laws (but haven’t checked them yet).
Or poss that Eric will receive a percentage of the home sales, or maybe shares w another person
Maybe Eric could, eventually, use sales proceeds of Stephen’s home(s) to benefit victims.
Re other assets Eric could receive, see my post #13 on this thread. Or Eric may receive no assets from Stephen to use to benefit victims.
JMO, but may be premature for Eric to say he will use “Stephen’s assets” to benefit victims.

Welcoming our WS legal professionals to correct any inaccuracies (not an attorney, don’t play one on TV). JMO, could be wrong.

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* Info from Clark County, NV Recorder’s Office re Mesquite home property:


Record Date

Party Type​	First Party Name​	First Cross Party Name​	Instrument #​	Document Type​	Modifier​	Record Date​	Parcel #​
To	PADDOCK, STEPHEN C	PN II INC	1/20/2015 8:43:34 AM	002-01-613-004		369022.0000

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^ https://recorder.co.clark.nv.us/RecorderEcommerce/

** Caveat: I’ve seen a few instances in other states, where county recorder’s office summary record like ^ shows only one owner/grantee(ex: Manfred Mann), altho the recorded deed itself names more grantees (hypo ex: Manfred Mann and Gertie Girlfriend, as joint tenants w right of survivorship, or deed shows grantee as Manfred Mann, Trustee under Manfred Mann Revocable Trust dated Jan 10, 2010). IWO, without seeing the actual recorded deeds, not 100% sure that Stephen was the only grantee/owner, but appears to be true.

*** Info from Washoe County, NV Assessor’s Office re Reno home property: for deed image.
{{Sorry, cannot cut & paste or link directly to the image of the deed.}}
Go to https://www.washoecounty.us/assessor/cama/then insert in name fields “Stephen” and “Paddock.”
At “Owner Information & Legal Description” block, at field: “Rec Doc No” click on blue-ink 4247071. At log-in, click on “Public Users” box. Names him only as owner on deed itself.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Where did they come up with 200 btw? The door certainly has bullet holes in it - but not what I'd expect from "200."

Half of the door is on its side and hidden. Unless he was shooting in a 360 motion completely out of control, I would not expect the bullets to create holes in the entire door any more than I would expect a deer to be riddled head to foot if a hunter was trying to kill it. Nobody is going to be shooting through a door from top to bottom.

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[Ambitioned]

-My own repeat since we are on the nitty-gritty of this:


Why would Campos "discover" SP if he hadn't done anything criminal yet? Why would SP shoot Campos if he hadn't done anything yet to cause suspicion? Did he see Campos through the peephole? Or did he hear him? I’m too tired to remember if I already knew this.

Good questions. I would also like to add that just because people are asking questions about the timeline doesn't mean they think automatically JC is complicit. <modsnip>

 

[MistyWaters]

I am searching for a report I read or shared here within past 36 hrs stating police were present in the hotel on a different floor for 'another matter' when the shooting first started..
This is why the hotel is in trouble, cops were already there but were not informed. I'll keep searching. so I can link it because I believe its pretty important..
Meanwhile I found this, have a look again, good refresher.. slightly GRAPHIC images but
from article
Early report so inconsistencies but-
McMahill didn't make it clear exactly when the SWAT team was in place, but said that at 10:38pm, a security guard approaching Paddock's room was non-fatally shot. The guard, who is still in hospital, sent 'digital information' to cops, McMahill said.

this is why I have some confusion re suicide
The video shows bullet holes piercing the left side of the suite's double doors, confirming reports that Paddock shot at officers as they tried to break into the room. However, most of the door is knocked down from the SWAT team's forceful - but necessary - entrance.

Bear in mind dailymail is not brightest star in sky but they do occasionally invest in stories and looks like they did so in this case, not saying its all accurate
have a look
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

If accurate he fired shots through the door while they were breaching..??? This cannot be accurate, can it? what was he doing all that time and how come no reports of fatal to himself shots while or post breach?

Also from your link, aside from the door/peephole camera and the food cart camera "A third camera in the room filmed the shooter. All footage is being examined by the FBI".

That would certainly answer a lot of questions if this were true. But I agree with your comment, DailyMail "is not always the brightest star in the sky".

 

[Deleted member 158085]

-My own repeat since we are on the nitty-gritty of this:


Why would Campos "discover" SP if he hadn't done anything criminal yet? Why would SP shoot Campos if he hadn't done anything yet to cause suspicion? Did he see Campos through the peephole? Or did he hear him? I’m too tired to remember if I already knew this.

He was sent to the floor to check on a door ajar alarm and heard him drilling.

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[Gooddeeds]

-The company that owns the MB
-The PR Firm for MB
-The 3rd party Crisis Intervention company for the MB
-The union that covers the SG for the MB
-The spokesperson for the MB
-The surveillance for the MB

Im not going anywhere with this, i’m just bouncing out these repetitive tag lines i’m hearing for any possible feedback?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

read it again.

I already read it 3 times and was asking you to clarify but I will simply move on if you would rather not give clarification.

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