NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[m00c0w]

But let me ask you since you seem to understand guns more than anyone else commenting, can you imagine him shooting the door top to bottom? I'm just saying I would expect the gunfire to have impacted only a certain percentage of the door's area around his general aim.

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I would actually more or less expect a wide side-to-side pattern, since the Sheriff described it as "strafing fire". I also don't think it's likely that he emptied an entire 100rnd magazine, reloaded, and emptied another one, reloaded, and fired at least part of another... All the while firing into a hallway with little effect. I did the math several threads ago, and you were looking at something like a minute of just actively shooting into the hallway when you take rate of fire and reloads into account.

 

[Ambitioned]

I'm sure it did look like Swiss cheese in the area he shot through. Have you ever shot a gun? I have.

Yep. My job requires it. I still don't buy the "200 shots" explanation but we'll agree to disagree.

 

[m00c0w]

I know he said it, but presumably he didn't sit there and count it either.

Right. I've always thought it was a gross over-exaggeration for some reason.

 

[CARIIS]

It's been mentioned numerous times in msm that using the bump stock add on, accuracy is poor as well as ability
to hold/control gun. So, imo, it could be all over the door at close range.

i think 200 machine gun bullets from close range would result in much more

if we take into consideration whomever was in there was not like trying to be marksmen -- they just wanted to stop from getting in moo

 

[kittythehare]

So there are 200 bullet holes in the part at can't see only? Interesting

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The entire door panel was gone completely.. see photos here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I would actually more or less expect a wide side-to-side pattern, since the Sheriff described it as "strafing fire". I also don't think it's likely that he emptied an entire 100rnd magazine, reloaded, and emptied another one, reloaded, and fired at least part of another... All the while firing into a hallway with little effect. I did the math several threads ago, and you were looking at something like a minute of just actively shooting into the hallway when you take rate of fire and reloads into account.

Side to side is also what I imagine.

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[kittythehare]

Right. I've always thought it was a gross over-exaggeration for some reason.

From now one we shall rename it to
#An alarming volley of shots allegedly (AAVOSA)

 

[Gooddeeds]

I think we may have just located the reason why the Sheriff lied and lied and then had to lie a dash more .

He has got 26 minutes before just the call for SWAT was made
...............................................


10:25-32: A clearer idea of the shooter's location emerges, and a team gets to the gunman's floor.
"It's Room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need SWAT."


"We have a four-man element at the very end of the hall."

The only thing up there was reg cops there not trained in all this stuff


: 11:02


At the same time, the channel becomes flooded with reports of shots fired in no fewer than a half-dozen casinos across the Las Vegas Strip


11:19-20:
breach breach breach

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response

Great to see this actually.. massive building.. should have had top of the range security..

-A massive property would have a surround-sound (visual) surveillance room, literally. In my opinion it is a LIVE-WIRE nerve center. They can’t depend on one lone SG they can see in just a single frame to check out the kajillion square feet of the massive property. Until we get the info on the “manually” phoned in call by the SG there is little to start with. Whoever the service provider is for the hardwired phone system at MB should be able to give supporting evidence.

 

[bears10]

1. Asking questions does not make a person a conspiracy theorist.
2. Let me assure you MGM is not worried about how badly this is going to effect anyone but themselves.

I meant effect future customers saying at their resorts.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Yep. My job requires it. I still don't buy the "200 shots" explanation but we'll agree to disagree.

I don't know that there were 200 either, but with that much of the door not visible, I don't feel like I'm informed enough to say there weren't.

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[canadiangirl]

He could have tested it, but there are only two options - it works or it doesn't. lol Might as well "test" it pointed at himself. There's not really an advantage to testing it here.

This made me lol
Very good point!

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[CARIIS]

Respectfully,

Can some posters give back feedback as it relates to this particular hypothesis is conspiracy like

i am not seeing it on the thread

it might be my notion of a conspracy


Stuff like

pluto aligned up with

the number 4725 shows up one but if you
flip the number backwards and turn it upside it match up witj444

anything bible stuff

imo the core deal is how many people were involved

a sheriff who declare one shooter in 64 minutes -- i just cant grasp

what has been bought up that is crazy out there theories

i am totally fine with anyone using any of posts that appear conspiracy to anyone here!!

 

[Deleted member 158085]

i think 200 machine gun bullets from close range would result in much more

if we take into consideration whomever was in there was not like trying to be marksmen -- they just wanted to stop from getting in moo

Ok, but again, he didn't use machine guns. I think we need to be accurate about the weapons used if we're going to discuss the damage caused by them.

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[bears10]

Doesn't Eric live with his Mom?

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From one of the interviews I saw it seemed like they lived together. But that would have no bearing on the next of kin. Mom would still be next of kin. She may be old enough that Eric has POA, but that’s a major guess on my end.

 

[kittythehare]

I would actually more or less expect a wide side-to-side pattern, since the Sheriff described it as "strafing fire". I also don't think it's likely that he emptied an entire 100rnd magazine, reloaded, and emptied another one, reloaded, and fired at least part of another... All the while firing into a hallway with little effect. I did the math several threads ago, and you were looking at something like a minute of just actively shooting into the hallway when you take rate of fire and reloads into account.

You can see some of the bullet holes in an image in this article

what do you make of it?
Door panel is missing, the top half..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html
theres a good clear pic of the hammer he used as well, it was quite small.. for those massive windows.. if its not in this article its in the Business Insider article, hammer, I mean..
Does anybody have any idea what the blue tube thingy in this and also this article was about?
http://uk.businessinsider.com/manda...hat-was-supposed-to-occur-there-on-tuesday-14

 

[canadiangirl]

If one moves out broader , all of them were actual calls to the cops .................just step out a minute........................perfect way to scatter the heck out of LE --

if the sec guard threw timing off the fact that the calls starting coming in later is interesting

does anyone know how to find the exact dispatch audio about taking the three vans to the airport without having to listen to it all >>

Yes I'll post a link to it when I find it. I've listened to it

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[CARIIS]

Yeah, that doesn't answer my question. You said "they are describing what's impossible" and I asked you if you meant by "they:" LE, Security, or MSM.

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I think i do understand how so many got to the conclusion that there is one shooter .

We always consider sources -- in this instance however, the source has been caught dozens of times not telling the truth with what is known , coming up with conclusions that way to fast.

The same holds true for folks that say the investigation takes time imo his adamant conclusion that it was sole shooter instantly ought to fall under the same amount of scrutiny

it gets really bad if you go back to his presser when he was out in the street the first time -- horrible

it does not help that he is dense -- and cant process a question that is a complex question with two notions in one breath

dozens of times he had to have questions repeated , had to have questions broke down into little bites - so my faith in him to come to conclusions is really pretty shot

he ain't imo all that bright looks for simple answers to very complex things

the size of the area in and of itself should have prevented him (if he was sharp) to avoid solving the whole thing within 24 hours

 

[CARIIS]

No, but good thinking..
I , too believe he intended to get away, otherwise why load car with explosives and have a survival kit at one of his homes at least?

not be snarky I have never cared of what they wanted to do afterwards -- i have never understood wondering that

that would be like mind reading now that is a conspiracy theory!!

that is one thing that has no meaning imo

ok he planned on escaping ok fine

ok he did not plan on escaping ok fine

now what

 

[kittythehare]

-A massive property would have a surround-sound (visual) surveillance room, literally. In my opinion it is a LIVE-WIRE nerve center. They can’t depend on one lone SG they can see in just a single frame to check out the kajillion square feet of the massive property. Until we get the info on the “manually” phoned in call by the SG there is little to start with. Whoever the service provider is for the hardwired phone system at MB should be able to give supporting evidence.

Sometimes when cases get stuck for lack of info, its a good and useful exercise to go back and read all the very earliest reports and Tweets..This article refers to Campos 'digitally' contacting the police.. I dont believe it refers to fingers..but as its not an expression generally used by dailymail when they're formulating at least one mega conspiracy theory per week, I'm thinking they may have been given this information from either LE or MB..
WDH did it mean?
link http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

 

[bears10]

I think i do understand how so many got to the conclusion that there is one shooter .

We always consider sources -- in this instance however, the source has been caught dozens of times not telling the truth with what is known , coming up with conclusions that way to fast.

The same holds true for folks that say the investigation takes time imo his adamant conclusion that it was sole shooter instantly ought to fall under the same amount of scrutiny

it gets really bad if you go back to his presser when he was out in the street the first time -- horrible

it does not help that he is dense -- and cant process a question that is a complex question with two notions in one breath

dozens of times he had to have questions repeated , had to have questions broke down into little bites - so my faith in him to come to conclusions is really pretty shot

he ain't imo all that bright looks for simple answers to very complex things

the size of the area in and of itself should have prevented him (if he was sharp) to avoid solving the whole thing within 24 hours

Many have come to the conclusion that there was one shooter bc there is literally zero proof at this point otherwise. Again, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and that’s really all there is in the defense of multiple shooters.