NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

[m00c0w]

You are right to question everything.
Sometimes we dont see what is in front of us when we get too close to a case. Why indeed did he need so very many guns.. I really wanna know if he could have done it with less or more powerful.. or why he chose guns and not a bomb?
I'm interested in the psychology of gun ownership..
Was he trying to prove something about the power of guns?

BBM

He certainly hit most of the points on a theoretically perfect list of items to have on the scene of a mass shooting if your goal was limiting accessibility to firearms. An outlandish number of AR-15s, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks, all kinds of exotic ammunition, tannerite, purportedly body armor and gas masks... Truthfully, one of my first thoughts when I started seeing what kind of items he had, was that he was someone trying to make a point about the availability of/access to firearms in this country. At this point, I have a few theories. Can't say that one has been totally dispelled yet.

 

[kittythehare]

23 was definitely excessive. It all depends on his ultimate goal. If he was actually trained, he wouldn’t have needed more than 3-4. Maybe a fifth for the road.

WOW. WOW WOW..
And that wasn't even all his guns,, so it wasn't like he was intending to be holding an exhibition or anything..
He did not need even one fifth of the quantity he brought there to kill the people..
kinda macabre, is it not? ( assuming he was not contracted by another party)
Surely to over stock for such a big operation endangered his operation.. more chance of being noticed..
His miscalculations at tank site also strange
Yet nobody reported he was behaving strangely or more erratically on his machines.. I have to believe that if his mental condition, unknown, worsened, it would have been reflected in his playing of the machines..
I just feel like this has shovelled a whole new pile of ingredients into the analysis..
If he wanted to kill people, he could more easily have used a bomb, he was not under suspicion for anything at all, he had the freedom to move freely throughout the complex.. he would have had the know-how...and he would quite possibly have escaped .
The Mail article reported that he had been moving back and forth from his home while he inhabited the small/comp room..
A bellboy did help Paddock move several bags up to his room, Lombardo revealed, adding that the killer traveled back and forth to his hometown of Mesquite several times before the massacre.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4969140/Las-Vegas-gunman-no-abnormalites-brain.html

 

[m00c0w]

Very doubtful one of those could break thru a double pane insulated glass unit, especially considering the large amount of surface area that is broken

I guess it heavily depends on when this happened. If he had already been shooting at the guards and needed to bust open the windows quickly, I could easily see him shooting through the glass and clearing out with the hammer. His cover had been blown; no use in staying quiet anymore.

 

[bestill]

And, I'll add... his shots at the jet fuel tanks failed to cause them to explode. Had to be a "downer" for his narcissistic/calculating mind.

Going with the thought of exploding the fuel tanks why did he need all those weapons if that was the initial plan? He only needed specific rifles and bullets.

 

[m00c0w]

WOW. WOW WOW..
And that wasn't even all his guns,, so it wasn't like he was intending to be holding an exhibition or anything..
He did not need even one fifth of the quantity he brought there to kill the people..
kinda macabre, is it not? ( assuming he was not contracted by another party)
Surely to over stock for such a big operation endangered his operation.. more chance of being noticed..
His miscalculations at tank site also strange
Yet nobody reported he was behaving strangely or more erratically on his machines.. I have to believe that if his mental condition, unknown, worsened, it would have been reflected in his playing of the machines..
I just feel like this has shovelled a whole new pile of ingredients into the analysis..
If he wanted to kill people, he could more easily have used a bomb, he was not under suspicion for anything at all, he had the freedom to move freely throughout the complex.. he would have had the know-how...and he would quite possibly have escaped .
The Mail article reported that he had been moving back and forth from his home while he inhabited the small/comp room..
A bellboy did help Paddock move several bags up to his room, Lombardo revealed, adding that the killer traveled back and forth to his hometown of Mesquite several times before the massacre.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4969140/Las-Vegas-gunman-no-abnormalites-brain.html

I will also say, if he was actually trained, he'd have realized bump stocks were actually a pretty bad way to do business. I won't get into specifics, but automatic rate of fire is not intended for use as he was trying to use it. May have actually saved some lives that he had no formal training.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I just saw a headline on Fox News TV -- something about a hotel worker warned them?!!?

Anyone else just see this?

If this wasn't so tragic, I'd think this was all a bad movie script. It just keeps getting stranger.....

So very sorry for the 58.

From CBS: Worker warned hotel before Las Vegas shooter opened fire on crowd

 

[kittythehare]

BBM

He certainly hit most of the points on a theoretically perfect list of items to have on the scene of a mass shooting if your goal was limiting accessibility to firearms. An outlandish number of AR-15s, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks, all kinds of exotic ammunition, tannerite, purportedly body armor and gas masks... Truthfully, one of my first thoughts when I started seeing what kind of items he had, was that he was someone trying to make a point about the availability of/access to firearms in this country. At this point, I have a few theories. Can't say that one has been totally dispelled yet.

yET, his g/f sister's Aus partner claimed he spoke most eloquently on the right to bear arms and knew the legislation 'better than any lawyer'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4949402/Stephen-Paddock-huge-gun-room-says-friend.html

 

[bears10]

I guess it heavily depends on when this happened. If he had already been shooting at the guards and needed to bust open the windows quickly, I could easily see him shooting through the glass and clearing out with the hammer. His cover had been blown; no use in staying quiet anymore.

Yeah sure. But my comment was based on him using such a tool to initially break the window. I also was replying to a comment about a tool that breaks car windows in emergencies, not a hammer.

 

[kittythehare]

I will also say, if he was actually trained, he'd have realized bump stocks were actually a pretty bad way to do business. I won't get into specifics, but automatic rate of fire is not intended for use as he was trying to use it. May have actually saved some lives that he had no formal training.

Could he have more easily procured fully automatic rifles bearing in mind no crime file etc?

 

[jjenny]

I will also say, if he was actually trained, he'd have realized bump stocks were actually a pretty bad way to do business. I won't get into specifics, but automatic rate of fire is not intended for use as he was trying to use it. May have actually saved some lives that he had no formal training.

Who was he trained by? He was never in a military. I don't think anybody trained him. Clearly that didn't stop him, as it was a worst mass shooting by a single person in US history.

 

[m00c0w]

I just saw a headline on Fox News TV -- something about a hotel worker warned them about something like this a week before??!!?

Anyone else just see this?

If this wasn't so tragic, I'd think this was all a bad movie script. It just keeps getting stranger.....

So very sorry for the 58.

I have seen nothing about a week before; just the story of the maintenance worker that technically "warned" them "before" the massacre. That's the headline I've seen a lot of places running with. While technically true, he was radioing it in that they were shot at, minutes before the event. Not what I'd necessarily characterize as "warning before the massacre" as much as, was first to report a massacre was happening. I'd be interested to see if there is something coming out now about the week in advance claim.

 

[jjenny]

Could he have more easily procured fully automatic rifles bearing in mind no crime file etc?

No. Fully automatic guns are much more expensive and more difficult to purchase.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/i...cult-and-especially-expensive/article/2636302

 

[m00c0w]

Who was he trained by? He was never in a military. I don't think anybody trained him. Clearly that didn't stop him, as it was a worst mass shooting by a single person in US history.

I didn't say he was trained. I said, if he was trained, he'd realize certain flaws in his plans. And his lack of training likely kept it from being worse.

 

[m00c0w]

Yeah sure. But my comment was based on him using such a tool to initially break the window. I also was replying to a comment about a tool that breaks car windows in emergencies, not a hammer.

Sorry, it was more directed at the discussion of how he broke the window than necessarily at you directly.

 

[jjenny]

I didn't say he was trained. I said, if he was trained, he'd realize certain flaws in his plans. And his lack of training likely kept it from being worse.

His lack of training din't prevent him from committing worst mass shooting by a single person in US history.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

Yeah he could have started to freak out that things weren’t going according to plan. This is all speculation and is just me throwing around an idea; I have no links to back it up bc it’s just a thought. First the security guard made him start earlier than planned, possibly unprepared to an extent, then the tanks didn’t explode- problem number two. He gets hit by a ricocheted bullet and is hurt, maybe not fatal, but enough to prohibit him from continuing he massacre. So he ends it on his own terms.

I could be a lifetime movie writer lol

That is very plausible! The "chest" wound everyone has questioned! Or blood on his shirt around the sternum.
I am still curious was he a lefty or a righty?
Also which eye was his dominate one?
Perhaps neither!
I did read he refused to wear glasses and was "allergic" to blood pressure meds... < We know what side effects they have on men.
Uncontrolled hypertension can really damage vision, as does advancing age for some people.
I haven't heard anything about scopes.
I need to look into that.

His refusing to wear eyeglasses and take meds for hypertension may have been why he wasn't able to hit as many targets as he had planned.
May also have been why he had to mathematically calculate the distance.
HE WASN'T ABLE TO SEE WELL ENOUGH!

MOO

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[sds71]

UPDATE: Mandalay Bay hotel waited 6mins to call 911 after 2 employees reported Stephen Paddock was firing shots from 32nd floor, per @ABC.

 

[bears10]

Sorry, it was more directed at the discussion of how he broke the window than necessarily at you directly.

Gotcha. I do think that shooting out the glass would be far more efficient than breaking with a hammer. Especially given that it’s safety glass and the size of the hole. It actually would make more sense to me if he broke the glass in whatever way, after the security hairs hallway shooting.

 

[Miss Magnolia]

I dont think its so simple to break tempered with a hatchet/hammer either...
And is there not generally a vacuum between both panes which would have provided more resistance?
I saw no reports of glass cutters among his stuff..
was he an extremely strong man physically?
Might be more here..
Looking forward to hearing back from your glazier...

Could he have shot the windows out? Opinions?

 

[m00c0w]

His lack of training din't prevent him from committing worst mass shooting by a single person in US history.

I did not say it did, did I? I'm not sure what your point is. My point is that he was using gimmicky devices, and as a result, was less effective than he could be.