NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[CoolJ]

Did you read SillyBilly's link on firearm sounds? It's very interesting. There can be two noises - one from the gun report, and one from the actual bullet cracking in the air at a different time.

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Exactly. And the time in between can give you a solid estimate of how far away the shooter is. That is acoustic forensics, which leads us to believe there was more than 1 shooter. One from about 500-600yds and one from about 250yds.

 

[MistyWaters]

Exactly. And the time in between can give you a solid estimate of how far away the shooter is. That is acoustic forensics, which leads us to believe there was more than 1 shooter. One from about 500-600yds and one from about 250yds.

If you're a forensic ballistic expert, this is how to become verified:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Process-for-Professional-or-Insider-Posters

 

[CoolJ]

Yes but if records are subpoenaed, and that was a lie, it’d be discovered. My point is I think the security camera debate is going to be the easiest thing to come to a concrete conclusion about. A civil lawsuit will uncover the truth IMO.

I linked you a civil lawsuit and you still don't believe it.

 

[CARIIS]

Hotels rules for sec guards :

Must be licensed by the State of Nevada Private Investigators Board to conduct business as aprivate patrolman per Chapter 248 of the Nevada Revised Statutes. A copy of the licensemust be on file with the Mandalay Bay Security Manager’s office.2. Copy of current city/county business license on file with the Mandalay Bay SecurityManager’s office.

The name of supposed

company providing protection to Jesus is called On Scene at least that is what there shirts say -- have not be able to find an address of their office??

Copy of current Certificate of Insurance from Nevada State Industrial Insurance System onfile with the Mandalay Bay Security Manager’s office.

in a distinctive, professional type uniform approved by the Stateof Nevada Private Investigator’s Licensing Board and the Metropolitan Police Department.

So the hotel does not provide uniform-- I guess they buy them online if the hotel will approve the picture or something!

Busy hotel.. Busy Strip. Busy Concert. I would be nefarious folks could pick some uniforms on line ,and appear to look close enough like the real thing when 20000 folks are panicking. They could even be armed. Just speculating tho .

During shows it sounds like the outside of MB security proper a bunch of allegedly private security firms provide security for these events. These outside entities would purchase uniforms for their staff .

An amazon click and your security uniform is on its way!!

Such a wide array available !!


















Sounds as if it would be a lot easier to traverse the massive property with an employee ID .

Mandalay Bay freight door and/or room names will be used for requests of assistance or for opening or closing areas (as requested by show management). All doors are identified with number and letter above the door, or a name next to the door.

Only real actual employees (Jesus)

Mandalay Bay Security Management and Security Officers have overriding authority on allsecurity matters and have unrestricted access to all areas.

https://www.mandalaybay.com/content...b-private-security-policies-as-of-10-2012.pdf

 

[vlpate]

I think most of the public has gone on with their lives and no longer thinks about this shooting,

I think those that love conspiracy are the ones who are making a big deal about it. The unfortunate people who have to torment Sandy Hook families still continue. For everyone else it is a horrific footnote. They have moved on.

Los Angeles Times, Fox, and Newsweek did stories on Campos today...so there's interest still...but why did none of them speak to FBI or police?

There was a press conference the day after Campos went missing, but no questions were allowed and Lombardo didn't mention it.

You don't have to be Alex Jones to find these facts hinky.

 

[Betty P]

There have been instances even on here where people indicate he was a shooter. Then there was that fake CNN report saying he was arrested.

There are multiple people on here saying there was more than one shooter.

There were multiple people asking what he was doing in all of those minutes.

There were people posting the video from the cab,

Why would anyone think that he was not receiving multiple threats on his life? It would be more astounding to think that he was not receiving death threats.

He is a security guard. I doubt if he is living in a gated community or has the funds to go live anywhere else.

Remember the fun Richard Jewell had and that was before the internet.

WRT what he was doing after being shot, there are several interviews out there with the county and city police, SWAT team and his co-worker Stephen Schuck. The interview with the SWAT guys goes into detail about what he did with them while they were up on the floor.

As for what happened between the time he called the hotel security dispatch center and when LE finally arrived, Schuck tells about that. Recall, JC was unarmed, per his job description.

The people who haven't provided information about the timeline discrepancies and calling 911, the people you need to focus on are hotel management and city and county LE. They're the only ones who can answer.

 

[Gardenista]

Agree. The few articles about this are using old recycled quotes from days ago to keep the clicks going on their web sites. JC, his employer and union have decided to stop feeding those who are trying to profit from this tragedy by staying out of sight. It's sad they have to do this, but that's the nature of our reality tv, CT-mongering world. If his family and LE aren't concerned about it, neither am I, as long as his rights are being protected.

Incorrect. Maybe you missed the article from the LA Times from yesterday that was posted above which has a quote from the union president, Hickey, from yesterday.

David Hickey, president of the Security, Police, and Fire Professionals of America union, said it had been four days since he last saw Jesus Campos.

“We have had no contact with him…. Clearly, somebody knows where he is," he said.

Hickey said he was with Campos on Thursday, coordinating a series of interviews that the guard was scheduled to give about the attack. They included appearances on the Sean Hannity show on Fox, as well as news shows on CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC. Campos was staying in a suite in a Las Vegas hotel, Hickey said.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-jesus-campos-vegas-20171016-story,amp.html

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Exactly. And the time in between can give you a solid estimate of how far away the shooter is. That is acoustic forensics, which leads us to believe there was more than 1 shooter. One from about 500-600yds and one from about 250yds.

I don't see any evidence of that except as reported by some very questionable websites. Personally, I will await a report from verified experts.

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[bears10]

I linked you a civil lawsuit and you still don't believe it.

I don't recall the link.... sometimes I scroll and roll...

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Incorrect. Maybe you missed the article from the LA Times from yesterday that was posted above which has a quote from the union president, Hickey, from yesterday.

David Hickey, president of the Security, Police, and Fire Professionals of America union, said it had been four days since he last saw Jesus Campos.

“We have had no contact with him…. Clearly, somebody knows where he is," he said.

Hickey said he was with Campos on Thursday, coordinating a series of interviews that the guard was scheduled to give about the attack. They included appearances on the Sean Hannity show on Fox, as well as news shows on CNN, CBS, ABC and NBC. Campos was staying in a suite in a Las Vegas hotel, Hickey said.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-jesus-campos-vegas-20171016-story,amp.html

I'd say that him saying "clearly somebody knows where he is" actually proves her point that they are attempting not to feed this CT.

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[CoolJ]

If you're a forensic ballistic expert, this is how to become verified:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...n-Process-for-Professional-or-Insider-Posters

I am not a forensic ballistic expert. And i don't see any verified psychotherapists or mental health professionals with regards to the claims about Paddock.

Look, we are all on the same side here. I am not satisfied we are being told the full story. And i think it is important we are told the full story. Of course, i could be wrong. Maybe we don't want to know the full story. Maybe that is why they are being deceptive? Maybe the truth would cause chaos amongst the public?

 

[Betty P]

I linked you a civil lawsuit and you still don't believe it.

Was it a civil lawsuit regarding security cameras at MB? If not, it won't have information about the security cameras there.

When civil suits against MB for this incident get to court, there will be a discovery process wherein this information will be obtained from MB and revealed. The circumstances of this case will require MB to produce something, whatever is available as activity on the 32nd Fl is germane to their case.

I'm still trying to determine the overall motive behind the attempts by a few to "tar and feather" JC. Is it because you think Paddock is innocent and was framed to appear to be the real shooter?

Ballistic testing will reveal which guns produced the bullets. That will probably be easy to connect back to Paddock. Why do you think he's not the killer? The idea that an unarmed security guard could set all this up and frame Paddock is patently ridiculous. <modsnip>

 

[CARIIS]

There bright little "garbage man" vests surprised me that night.

I had never seen any LE guys wearing what are like school crossing guards vests.

So I got curious

Here is what the LVMPD wears on regular duty

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I can not be certain of this , but I would imagine during a training exercise when all sorts entities would have to be put together in the drill a little yellow online purchase of yellow mesh vests with the word security on it might enable that to be accomplished rather simply and without spending a lot of money speculation

They all looked the guys that hold up the stop sign when a road is under construction -- please

I have never seen cops running around in glow in the dark bright yellow hey world LE is standing right here vests, for understandable reasons these days .............

 

[zencompass]

In my opinion, sometimes we will never know the motive of a human committing a "monstrous" deed.

Sometimes, all we know for certain is that a human committed a horrible/heinous/unthinkable deed.

From article discussing the huge need for us to know the motive of something horrendous:

"It's unbearable," Victoroff said. Without actionable answers that make Paddock a rare and distant monster, he said, "you are paralyzed."

"In humans, trauma awakens a powerful urge to "make meaning" &#8212; to explain what cannot readily be explained &#8212; said Columbia's Neria. And national traumas, especially those stoked, magnified and spread by wall-to-wall media coverage, make that urge a widely shared need."

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/...otive-in-las-vegas-massacre-is-so-unsettling/

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I am not a forensic ballistic expert. And i don't see any verified psychotherapists or mental health professionals with regards to the claims about Paddock.

Look, we are all on the same side here. I am not satisfied we are being told the full story. And i think it is important we are told the full story. Of course, i could be wrong. Maybe we don't want to know the full story. Maybe that is why they are being deceptive? Maybe the truth would cause chaos amongst the public?

No, but when we discuss potential mental health issues we are tying it into what has been reported on MSM (descriptions of his mental state by people who knew him, meds we know he was prescribed), which is allowed in WS. However, I have not been able to find anything in MSM regarding the acoustic forensics. If you have an MSM link, please provide.

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[vlpate]

-They are not going to say it. Only under oath if it works for them.

I have a friend whose wife has worked security at MGM for 12 years, she says there are no cameras in the hallways for guest privacy reasons. Imagine if a wealthy businessman or celebrity decided to spend the evening with a call girl and he was caught on camera and some $20 per hour monitor saw it - leaves the guest open to blackmail or detrimental front page headlines. Cameras are in garages, elevators, and casino common areas, but not private room hallways.

Again, just what I am told, not first hand knowledge.

 

[CARIIS]

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[zencompass]

This is the media report that has a truck pulling down the fence to help the crowd escape, through towards the airport. It also menions false reports of a shooter in the lobby of the Tropicana. At the time I can understand why the feeling that snipers were everywhere was very real.


Las Vegas shooting: the scramble to survive amid hail of gunshots

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/brea...e-to-survive-amid-hail-of-gunshots/ar-AAsPCjs

Dear MistyWaters,

Thank you for this article.

I cannot even imagine the chaos and panic felt by all during that time.

The individual who used a truck to pull down the fence saved lives, in my opinion.

During crisis times such as this one, our natural instinct as humans to help one another is breathtaking to hear. Amazing, really, how immediate this natural instinct kicks in.

Thank you.

 

[CoolJ]

I don't see any evidence of that except as reported by some very questionable websites. Personally, I will await a report from verified experts.

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I will await a report from verified experts as well. In the meantime, when you step back and look at the full picture, taking into account forensic acoustics, eye witness reports, dispatch audio and early reports from authorities, IMO as it stands now, there is more evidence of multiple shooters than there is for one lone mad man. That is not a conspiracy theory, it isn't even a theory. It is just MY feelings based on what i know from MY research.

What this all really comes down to is some people believe without question everything that is reported by MSM and some people do not. It is ok to have either belief. We SHOULD have trust in what MSM is telling us. We SHOULD have trust in what authorities are telling us.

 

[canadiangirl]

Knowing 4 women that were there but not at the concert, I know they have PTSD. They were off doing different things. Two women were a block away when people started running and screaming. They started running too but they did not know why.

Then people started screaming that there was an active shooter.

They had no idea where the shooter was. They ran and hid.

There is some more to the story but the point is that one of the women was paralyzed with fear. She could not talk, move, or think. Her friend pulled her along.

No bullets flying by them. No dead bodies by them.

Think of the ones who were at the concert. They are in total meltdown and to think that someone not used to living in a war zone can think and remember accurately is absurd.

Think about how well you remember in the best of times.

My husband and I had a discussion one time about a car we saw in a driveway. We each had a view on the color and model. We went back and looked at it and we were both wrong. We each thought the car was attractive, That is why we paid attention to it in the first place

So why do we have witnesses in trials if no one can remember anything accurately in a time of distress?

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