NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #6

[CARIIS]

For some reason

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...fjWAhUJ7SYKHdtpDW8QMwh9KEcwRw&iact=mrc&uact=8

Trying to put this together.

It is dark.

The area involved is big.

Someone is high up supposedly.

Shooting down at people.

I know what I will do , I will turn all my cops into yellow glow in the dark target practice

 

[x_files]

-That’s a bit of new info. A caretaker? Was a disability for SP ruled out?

Maybe she is attempting to distance herself from him. Could you blame her? No one wants to think their partner is capable of a massacre. Or she's involved and is attempting to distance herself for legal reasons.

 

[CoolJ]

And here, once again, is the link i provided which led me to believe it is POSSIBLE there COULD be cameras in the hallways at MBay:

"Surveillance footage shows that she and Gonzalez shared an elevator; both exited on the eighth floor. Anderson entered her room, shut the door behind her, and went to sleep."

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/nv-supreme-court/1715975.html

 

[x_files]

-In my opinion that is not the best word to use. Why doesn’t it include “Campos, the SG hero employed by MGM/MB has vanished”? I don’t know how that term would get past the high powered Crisis firm for MB. Employees vanishing...???
“JC the SG hero employed by MB has not been available for comment” would sound more credible and favorable to Campos.

vanished is dramatic causes alarm and stirs wild conspiracy theories. Perhaps, FoxNews is aware it will cast suspicion on JC?

 

[x_files]

I think they are pretty well done with telling us anything guys.............

It already vanished .........

they got out there tale --- \\

well see moo

The hotel is keeping this story quiet for legal reasons due to the lawsuits. mainstream cannot get info so gave up. We need an investigative journalist to take the story on head first.

 

[canadiangirl]

And here, once again, is the link i provided which led me to believe it is POSSIBLE there COULD be cameras in the hallways at MBay:

"Surveillance footage shows that she and Gonzalez shared an elevator; both exited on the eighth floor. Anderson entered her room, shut the door behind her, and went to sleep."

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/nv-supreme-court/1715975.html

I read it and clearly there's a disconnect somewhere.
Are their cameras or not? Pretty simple but even that is unclear here

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[Cryptic]

I have a friend whose wife has worked security at MGM for 12 years, she says there are no cameras in the hallways for guest privacy reasons. Imagine if a wealthy businessman or celebrity decided to spend the evening with a call girl and he was caught on camera and some $20 per hour monitor saw it - leaves the guest open to blackmail or detrimental front page headlines. Cameras are in garages, elevators, and casino common areas, but not private room hallways.

Again, just what I am told, not first hand knowledge.

Though it is second hand, it makes perfect sense. My bet is that the police are extrapolating some of his movements (seen on camera "C" in elevator "7". Then his room is electronically keyed three minutes later). Thus, assumption is that he went to the room.... .

 

[x_files]

I know there are people that think the fact checking sites are a conspiracy but for those that still cling to provable facts:

Is the Mandalay Bay Security Guard 'Missing'?
Police told us that despite widespread rumors and speculation, Jesus Campos is not missing.

I don't blame him for laying low and cancelling all media appearances. Some crazy kook could show up to his house or the station and try to kill him.
I can also see the hotel intervening not wanting him to go to the media during the investigation due to pending lawsuits.

 

[CARIIS]

So why do we have witnesses in trials if no one can remember anything accurately in a time of distress?

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Tho did not create all eyewitnesses the same ha!

IMO there is a huge diff between asking someone to give the height of someone from 8 feet away than what witnesses , by the thousands have described.

Standing all smushed together. It starts . THe direction of gunfire kinda gives one a starting point. In order for bullets to hit things they have to fly in.

When bulllets enter bodies they make a noise - in a direction.

Blood comes out in a direction

and hot

am not trying to be gross just honest

if 8 of us are smushed together and bullets start to hit we all would hear where those by were hit .

We would also be able to ascertain that if the predominant noise was from the upper right and people standing near me on my right were hit in their back and blood came out on the people standing in front of us (as opposed to behind us) it would be pretty reasonable for those who lived to accuratley state that bullets came from behind us entered in my back and my blood went...

this is different because of the sardine nation of people standing close

There are a lot more sensing things happening. Seeing , feeling hearing sensing vibrations .

That is a lot more data than guessing how tall someone is and color of hair

What is even more biazaire is the band runns off stage toward MB.

At that time the noise from that direction was loud. One would think they would run off stage the other way.

In many many videos out there that are from the rear there is clearly shooting (not nearly as powerful weapons ) from the back of the crowd .

So the band is looking out - and are seeing things from the back and left part of the audiance- that is why they run off the stage the way they did IMO.

T

 

[Betty P]

I have a friend whose wife has worked security at MGM for 12 years, she says there are no cameras in the hallways for guest privacy reasons. Imagine if a wealthy businessman or celebrity decided to spend the evening with a call girl and he was caught on camera and some $20 per hour monitor saw it - leaves the guest open to blackmail or detrimental front page headlines. Cameras are in garages, elevators, and casino common areas, but not private room hallways.

Again, just what I am told, not first hand knowledge.

IIRC, in the last PC, they talked of how the hotel prefers to put the cameras in high traffic areas on floors - just outside of the elevators, at corners and where hallways intersect, etc. Their main goal with the cameras they said, is to see who is coming on and going off each floor so that, in case of a robbery, etc. they can identify who's been on that floor. It helps to find suspects for the type of crimes that usually happen there
.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I will await a report from verified experts as well. In the meantime, when you step back and look at the full picture, taking into account forensic acoustics, eye witness reports, dispatch audio and early reports from authorities, IMO as it stands now, there is more evidence of multiple shooters than there is for one lone mad man. That is not a conspiracy theory, it isn't even a theory. It is just MY feelings based on what i know from MY research.

What this all really comes down to is some people believe without question everything that is reported by MSM and some people do not. It is ok to have either belief. We SHOULD have trust in what MSM is telling us. We SHOULD have trust in what authorities are telling us.

But we can't take into account forensic acoustics until we hear from verified experts in my opinion. I also believe that when you look at the reports from that night, including police audio, and the fact that these reports were all checked out with nothing found, including no injuries occurring at any of these other locations or any bullets, bullet holes, or shell casings it points to the fact that there was a single shooter as LE has told us.

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[x_files]

Thank you very much for locating this. The link isn't working for me but this one does:

http://www.snopes.com/is-the-mandalay-bay-security-guard-missing/

So Fox News is complicit with spreading false info aka Fake News. Shame on them. They must be aware this puts JC in danger casting suspicion on him.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

So why do we have witnesses in trials if no one can remember anything accurately in a time of distress?

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Because when witness statements match forensic and other evidence, it builds a strong case. Here we have zero forensics pointing to reports of shooters at other locations, or bullets and shell casings that do not match the single shooter theory. If something like that turns up then I am sure that the relevant witnesses will be re-interviewed.

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[CoolJ]

Because when witness statements match forensic and other evidence, it builds a strong case. Here we have zero forensics pointing to reports of shooters at other locations, or bullets and shell casings that do not match the single shooter theory. If something like that turns up then I am sure that the relevant witnesses will be re-interviewed.

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Not if they do not want us to know the truth! Do you not see how that could be possible?

 

[MistyWaters]

I am not a forensic ballistic expert. And i don't see any verified psychotherapists or mental health professionals with regards to the claims about Paddock.

Look, we are all on the same side here. I am not satisfied we are being told the full story. And i think it is important we are told the full story. Of course, i could be wrong. Maybe we don't want to know the full story. Maybe that is why they are being deceptive? Maybe the truth would cause chaos amongst the public?

Maybe you know the full story but want it to be more? The problem I have with CT is that it minimizes CP's involvement. Many of the conspiracy theories place him as a naive scape goat.

CTs all run with the same general theme over and over again, so often that it gets old. It's ALWAYS that LE is lying and/or big business is corrupt, always involving some level of scandal and drama spread by anonymous people who rely in SM as their platform. IMO it's a sad day when strangers on SM have such power because it's impossible to know what their true agenda is. Whatever it is, it's harmful. JMO

 

[CARIIS]

There is one unreal video from a guy in the way back.

Like a dude that likes the music but is really fine to be at the back a bit away from the crowd.

On his stuff BEFORE the very first big round of firing from his right on ground level you hear it start .

They were not that thunderoues roar from the machine gun sounds. At all .

by space bar I will show you what I heard. I know Iknow there is really good chance that the guy ran home altered his video remixed his audio and stuff before posting it real
time but here is what "doctored" while being shot at (its absurd IMO )

it went

pop pop pop pop pop pop pop

Now the fascinating thing about it (telling as heck) is crowd behavior ..

Most importanlty however is what I am describing next happened during the song before before -- that is huge

Right before the song before ends and the band does the typical pause (before going into the song that everything happened on) after the pops

the crowd only near the rear starts to stir then you see movement of the crowd (back area of fans only) leaving anxiously . That is quickly moved into (if we do it like a theatre) the last 8 rows of folks go into full panic screaming running mode.

The dude asks what the eff is going on.

All of this is before the song starts

PS:

Funny described warmly below :

I know the guy probably ran to his car inserted the previous song from the set arranged it to match up with big screen on stage relooped the sound on the video , inserted the pop pop pops added in what the eff is going photoshopped the last 8 rows of people slowly running and then turns into mass panic , inserted the screaming added some of the dialog from people fleeing relooped and mixed is video to match where the bulk of all the videos were in time who were not even seen yet and matched hue and contrast sound levels and all before posting it a short time later.

Nothing to it!

He works for Disney and keeps a special effects department in his car outside !

that is funny

A picture tells a thousand words

Video tells the truth........................

moo


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[CARIIS]

You know the truly terrifying aspect of this is. people can do whatever they want claim whatever they and in sprite of hours of video clearly contradicting what is being told to the masses -- they will get away with it ,

Think about that

When an entire society is convinced that what there eyes and ears are showing them is not true - and the populace believes it ...


the implications are both chilling and ................ enormous

 

[x_files]

For some reason

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...fjWAhUJ7SYKHdtpDW8QMwh9KEcwRw&iact=mrc&uact=8

Trying to put this together.

It is dark.

The area involved is big.

Someone is high up supposedly.

Shooting down at people.

I know what I will do , I will turn all my cops into yellow glow in the dark target practice

makes no sense to me either. Hopefully there's a logical explanation to it.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So why do we have witnesses in trials if no one can remember anything accurately in a time of distress?

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Eye witnesses are known to be faulty.

Eye witness testimony has been the cause of countless verdicts to be overturned due to their unreliability to be correct. Faulty eye witness testimony is the number one reason many cases have been overturned. They were overturned because the eye witness/es was sure it was a certain person when it turned out it wasn't that person/s at all.

There have been numerous crime documentaries showing how easy it is for an eye witness to be incorrect.

They set up a table of 20 people who are totally unaware what the producers have setup to happen later on. They will all be sitting there chatting and then all of a sudden they will have a 'fake robber' come through and snatch a purse. He is where everyone at the table can clearly see him then afterwards, one by one, they ask each person the physical description of the 'suspect.' The descriptions were all over the place. Example: some saw him as tall while others saw him as short or of medium height. Some had him stocky others had him as thin/slender. Many said he had a certain hair color that turned out to be completely wrong and the clothing description varied widely among the 20 people who saw the same man.

That is why it is often said that circumstantial evidence is far more reliable than direct evidence which primarily are eye witnesses.

IMO

 

[x_files]

I read it and clearly there's a disconnect somewhere.
Are their cameras or not? Pretty simple but even that is unclear here

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Hotel doesn't want to answer that publicly. They don't want to scare off tourists with dirty secrets to hide.