NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[Deleted member 158085]

Well MOO but the first thing I thought of when they refused to be paid wasn't that they didn't want the money BUT that someone was /is paying them anyway. And I don't mean jmo

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The first thing I thought was that they seem like decent, traumatized people.

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[cujenn81]

You see, there were also reports that several concert goers wet to get their own guns- I cannot locate that report now, But I did see it..

It made me think it could have been so much worse... people firing indiscriminately at eachother, probably inebriated and stoned for the gig.. add guns and a mass shooting aftermath... wow...
Cops have to be commended for heading that off at the pass. Report I read concerned police handling of event.

SBM for focus --
I remember reading that in an article somewhere, as well... so I did some searching and found it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/story/729034001/

10:29 p.m. As officers gather on the 32nd floor, there is still confusion about whether a second gunman could be on the 29th floor.
Down on the ground, officers report that civilians are trying to get weapons from police cars to defend themselves.

“Please advise all units to have their vehicles locked,” one officer says. “People are going in, trying to grab shotguns.”

10:46 p.m. With thousands of people leaving the concert, some got creative for transportation.
“I had somebody take a patrol car,” one officer says. “I’m being overtaken by citizens trying to take patrol cars.”


Understandably, it sounds like it was total mayhem.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

He is a victim too. If one of the concertgoers who was shot went on Ellen to tell their story, would you criticize them the same way?

Some people seem to want these two traumatized victims, particularly Campos, to be grilled by reporters instead. It's not their stories they were interested in (which could be told on any forum). But I doubt they would be as eager to see other victims grilled, particularly ones who believe there were multiple shooters. If the tables were turned, I'm sure they would think a grilling was in poor taste.

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[bears10]

Some people seem to want these two traumatized victims like, particularly Campos, to be grilled by reporters instead. It's not their stories they were interested in (which could be told on any forum). But I doubt they would be as eager to see other victims grilled, particularly ones who believe there were multiple shooters. If the tables were turned, I'm sure they would think a grilling was in poor taste.

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Exactly. I also think it’s strange that SS didn’t really get any judgement for going on GMA so soon after, but I have a feeling if it was JC, people would be criticizing him for going to the media so soon. It seems like SS gets a free pass for everything, and JC gets the brunt of everyone’s frustration bc their curiousity is not being satisfied.

 

[Gooddeeds]

This was not the first time we heard about a person coming out of their room and being told to go back inside.

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-I recall a ‘possible’ guest sticking his head out and LE told him to get back in. But then it was reported there were no guest on the floor. My apologies if it has been discussed here already, today is my first time hearing anything about a female.

 

[zencompass]

-Who is the female hotel guest? This is a BASIC tidbit. Even if she is choosing to remain anonymous-totally understandable, but there is no mention of her in any of the timelines that i’ve seen so far until today’s newest update.

Dear Gooddeeds,

I understand what you mean about this interaction not being in the timeline.

For example,

[insert time here] female guest told to go back in room.

[insert time here] hotel reception receives a phone call from female guest " what is going on ? am I in danger?"

A question of mine which has not been answered by the L.E. :
How many phone calls were made and what was the exact time of such phone calls ?

The time stamp is electronically recorded on all phone calls.

The guest whom Campos told to go back into her room is a "witness". Her "testimony" can be "the exact time stamp" on the phone call she either made to reception or on her cell phone.

The crux of this investigation comes down to the timeline as well as footage of S.P. managing all by himself to bring cases to his floor from the parking garage.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

-The raw and valid problem with the numerous changes are they are basics. We are not expecting forensics or lab analysis at this point.

-Starting with JC or whoever made the first call. That is a 2-way contact trace supported by the airways of the source (whatever corporation they use for cellular, radio, alarm, digital or remote). So it then becomes a 3 way trace. The surveillance-another trace. From whatever point JC or SS started in the direction of what they were dispatched for there is some footage benchmark.

-SP is on surveillance at some point prior to shooting. They mentioned he gambled for X amount of hours prior to.

-Even so, they need to investigate further before giving more info; they have withheld basic information. One of the first things made public in these types is the footage of the most recent whereabouts of the shooter/perp. We have seen ZERO footage of SP.

This is so basic. I doubt one can use a pay phone anymore that doesn’t have at least output or input data reference.

At what time did the Boston kid do his bomb thing? How soon did we hear and see timeline references?
At what time did the first plane hit the first tower? How soon did we hear and see timeline references?

My goodness, the 9/11 basic timeline was much easier to track due to airports recording exact take off times and all of NY seeing the plane hit (there was no illusion that they could be hearing firecrackers or anything else), then the whole world seeing the second plane hit and the towers collapsing. This is totally different. And expanded timelines came much later.

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[Only4Justice]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-sheriff-says-stephen-paddock-had-to-have-help-at-some-point/

The problem with this entire botched investigation is that the most logical explanation is SP had help. That was the Sheriff’s own determination from early on. The circumstances supporting this have not changed. It’s not about there being another shooter. It’s about there being accomplices to the planning and set up of the event.

This has never been the time for accolades to ANYONE. It’s shameful. The victims and families and lawyers will insist on clarity regarding the timeline and the physics/ mechanics of how this was orchestrated. We are not going to get answers from Ellen. To me, that is the best course to avoidance of the real questions.

Answers matter and details matter to ensure there was nothing else planned, to ensure correct remedial security measures can be made and to ensure justice for the victims.

Worth Repeating. Thanks [emoji120]


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[Jax49]

Early article about one guest who was sleeping in a room on the 32nd floor. He awoke to the sound and smell of gun fire.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...egas-shooter-relives-horror-article-1.3537618

A man who was staying just a few doors down from the hotel room where Stephen Paddock unleashed a hail of gunfire on Sunday night awoke to the sound of what he thought were fireworks.

Sonny Morgan, who flew to Nevada from his home in Lawrenceville, Georgia, to attend a work conference, was fast asleep on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino when Paddock opened fire.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

ok, wow...stress can cause weight gain and puffiness though.

I gained 10 lbs once during a week's vacation and had to buy new pants to fly home in. And I wasn't immobilized from injury or stress-eating. It just doesn't bother me that he looks different. Standing and sitting pictures look very different. Look at how different Hillary Clinton looks standing and sitting, between outfits, depending on the angle, depending on the chair, etc., and from day to day.

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[Spice]

^^^BBM

Are there digital photos of JC taken THREE weeks ago that have been posted?

The “hero award” photo was ONE week ago, on October 10.

http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html
On October 10, 2017, SPFPA member Jesus Campos proudly accepts his "SPFPA Hero Award" for bravery in the line of duty.

10/17/17 ellen interview – (aired 10/18/17) ellentube:
https://streamable.com/u95l9

I see JC as the victim that he is. I see no reason whatsoever to cast so much suspicion upon this man who:

Happened upon the shooter during a massacre after being asked to check a door
Was subsequently shot by the shooter and could have been killed
Warned 2 people to take cover so that they too were not shot and possibly killed
Has cooperated with LE from day one
Has been hounded ever since
Has had to have security as a precaution
Has had people disparage him constantly, cast doubt over his character, create fake news stories stating he was the "second shooter"
Has been accused of 'disappearing and vanishing" in a shady way after backing out of media interviews for whatever reason, as far as we know they were medical in nature.
Has been criticized for not speaking to the media even thought he owes the public NOTHING.
Has appeared on the television show to give an interview and his account
Has not been praised for this nor has he apparently be humanized for some, instead he is being picked apart even more.
Has had his appearance attacked and has had it insinuated that there is something "wrong" with the photos which for some apparently solidifies baseless conjecture about this poor victim.
Has been shot by the shooter ,could have been killed, feared for his life,warned others, called the police and is therefore a victim and a hero who is no doubt very much traumatized .

I will not cast suspicion over this victim, this hero, this human being.

I would rather discuss the killer as he is the only person who deserves disparaging for his behavior and the only person that I am interested in discussing regarding the criminal nature surrounding this horrific crime and national tragedy.

 

[zencompass]

Early article about one guest who was sleeping in a room on the 32nd floor. He awoke to the sound and smell of gun fire.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...egas-shooter-relives-horror-article-1.3537618

Dear Jax49,

Thank you so much for this information and link !

I haven't come across any information about guests calling to reception. Has anyone ?

The timeline needs the "timestamp" of his phone call to reception.
The time the call "ended"
Transcript of all calls asking about any of this.



From article (above) :

"The smell of gunpowder wafted into his room, and Morgan called the hotel’s reception to report sounds of gunfire."

"Staff members told him to barricade himself in the room, and Morgan built a pillow fort before getting down on the ground"

 

[Spice]

So, what can we discuss about the shooter?

He stockpiled I think it was 33 of the 40 something weapons he legally owned in less than one year before the shooting.

To me, that is very significant. I am interested to know what happened in his life when his gun purchase activity spiked through to the massacre. Because to me that is likely when he began planning. There is an obvious shift in behavior at least in relation to gun purchases that is marked.

You don't own and buy a mere 7 guns for the majority of your life and then suddenly buy 33 of them in a short period of time preceding an attack like this without it meaning something behaviorally.

I wonder what happened.

 

[MistyWaters]

This was not the first time we heard about a person coming out of their room and being told to go back inside.

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And even the first timeline version had other room occupants on the 32 floor who LE evacuated prior to breaching the door.

 

[Spice]

Thank God JC and the Engineer happened on the shooter and survived it.

Otherwise, who knows how long it would have taken for LE to locate the floor the shooter was on. Without JC taking a bullet and alerting the hotel and LE, the shooter would have kept on shooting uninterrupted and SO many more people would have died and been injured.

 

[bears10]

So, what can we discuss about the shooter?

He stockpiled I think it was 33 of the 40 something weapons he legally owned in less than one year before the shooting.

To me, that is very significant. I am interested to know what happened in his life when his gun purchase activity spiked through to the massacre. Because to me that is likely when he began planning. There is an obvious shift in behavior at least in relation to gun purchases that is marked.

You don't own and buy a mere 7 guns for the majority of your life and then suddenly buy 33 of them in a short period of time preceding an attack like this without it meaning something behaviorally.

I wonder what happened.

I may have mentioned this before but idk. In the beginning (before he let his CT flag fly) I was discussing SP with my boss, who is very pro gun in a very blue state. I said how SP stockpiled a lot of guns in the 11 months leading up to the massacre. My boss poo pooed me saying he himself probably has just as many, and how every gun of his serves it’s own purpose bla bla. When I said 33 in the course of a year his face twisted. His exact words were “no, that’s way too many, especially in less than a year”. Again, my boss is a right wing CT who at one point actually said this was a false flag orchestrated by the left to demonstrate the need for gun control.

Something happened in the past year or two to spark this. It is not normal behavior to acquire so many guns IMO

 

[Gooddeeds]

Dear Gooddeeds,

I understand what you mean about this interaction not being in the timeline.

For example,

[insert time here] female guest told to go back in room.

[insert time here] hotel reception receives a phone call from female guest " what is going on ? am I in danger?"

A question of mine which has not been answered by the L.E. :
How many phone calls were made and what was the exact time of such phone calls ?

The time stamp is electronically recorded on all phone calls.

The guest whom Campos told to go back into her room is a "witness". Her "testimony" can be "the exact time stamp" on the phone call she either made to reception or on her cell phone.

The crux of this investigation comes down to the timeline as well as footage of S.P. managing all by himself to bring cases to his floor from the parking garage.

-Thank you for expressing it better than I. There is a concrete time stamped timeline for this that we have not seen. These are basics.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Yes, SP, and the last year or so if his life, are what we need to sleuth more. Where was he living at that point? What else was he buying and selling in real estate? Who were his associates then?

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[CoolJ]

So, nobody here finds it a little too much of a coincidence that Campos thought he heard drilling that was really gunfire.....And then found out later that there actually was drilling?

 

[zencompass]

I am not surprised by MGM's new ad promoting Vegas with its "Vegas Strong" campaign.

This is how the business of Vegas is run.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4994314/MGM-slammed-tasteless-Vegas-Strong-ad.html