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Does anyone remember what the trajectory numbers were meant for found on the piece of paper in Paddock's room? Were they for aim and maximum number of kills while shooting at the crowd from above? Or was the trajectory math / logistics specifically regarding aiming at the tanks?

Does anyone remember?
 
Does anyone remember what the trajectory numbers were meant for found on the piece of paper in Paddock's room? Were they for aim and maximum number of kills while shooting at the crowd from above? Or was the trajectory math / logistics specifically regarding aiming at the tanks?

Does anyone remember?

According to this it was for the crowd, not the tanks.

DAVE NEWTON: I did notice-- a note on the nightstand near-- his shooting platform. I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was going to be for the crowd. So he had had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there.

BILL WHITAKER: What were the numbers? I am just trying to understand, where they calculations?

DAVE NEWTON: Yeah, he had written we must have done the calculations on line or something to figure out what his altitude was going to be and how high up he was-how far out the crowd was going to be and what at that distance and what the drop of his bullet was going to be.

He hadn't written out the calculations all he had was written out he final numbers that were on the sheet.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/details-on-las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddocks-note/
 
Just yiza, I zm not picking JC apart, I am picking apart his and SS timeline and changing story that, IMO, is being dictated by MGM for liability purposes. I believe the first call JC made was dispatched internally to their security in order not to alarm guests with police presence - saying shots were fired could have been a drunk guy with a gun whooping it up in his room. There are too many changing narratives not to question the motive behind the changes.

fair enough, and that’s logical in my view. I have no problem with that, in the least.

what”s “yiaz” ? I can usually figure out if it is a typo, but this time I am scratching my head. Is it an abbreviated something?
 
Yes and as we know it has changed HOW many times?


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-The raw and valid problem with the numerous changes are they are basics. We are not expecting forensics or lab analysis at this point.

-Starting with JC or whoever made the first call. That is a 2-way contact trace supported by the airways of the source (whatever corporation they use for cellular, radio, alarm, digital or remote). So it then becomes a 3 way trace. The surveillance-another trace. From whatever point JC or SS started in the direction of what they were dispatched for there is some footage benchmark.

-SP is on surveillance at some point prior to shooting. They mentioned he gambled for X amount of hours prior to.

-Even so, they need to investigate further before giving more info; they have withheld basic information. One of the first things made public in these types is the footage of the most recent whereabouts of the shooter/perp. We have seen ZERO footage of SP.

This is so basic. I doubt one can use a pay phone anymore that doesn’t have at least output or input data reference.

At what time did the Boston kid do his bomb thing? How soon did we hear and see timeline references?
At what time did the first plane hit the first tower? How soon did we hear and see timeline references?
 
At about the same time, a female guest came out of her room and Campos shouted at her to get back inside, he told Ellen.

BBM

Wow, I couldn't imagine being in a situation like that. . . a guest at an upscale swanky Hotel/Casino, minding my own business, maybe flipping through the TV Channels or just lounging on the bed. . . hearing one, some or all of these noises: a door slam/the sound of drilling/jackhammer/semi-automatic gunfire, and then peering outside my hotel room only to come close to walking into a barrage of rapid fired projectiles. I bet she has quite a story to tell, as well. I would have felt trapped and absolutely terrified.

MOO


http://nypost.com/2017/10/18/hero-gu...ence-on-ellen/

-Who is the female hotel guest? This is a BASIC tidbit. Even if she is choosing to remain anonymous-totally understandable, but there is no mention of her in any of the timelines that i’ve seen so far until today’s newest update.
 
In our employee handbook there is a section on how to proceed if media wants to talk to us. We have to have permission to speak with any media in relation to our job. It is part of what we agree to in order to be hired. If we decide to speak to media without permission from the right person we can be fired.
 
I don't know anything about explosives, but from the beginning I have wondered if he believed he would hit multiple shots through the tank having the fuel leak out. Then drive the car with the explosives over to the tanks and ignite the explosives which would then ignite the fuel flowing out of the tanks which would blow up the tanks.
Is there even a possibility of it working?
 
-Who is the female hotel guest? This is a BASIC tidbit. Even if she is choosing to remain anonymous-totally understandable, but there is no mention of her in any of the timelines that i’ve seen so far until today’s newest update.

Are you kidding??? Look at what poor Jesus has gone through, once people knew who he was! I would NEVER let ANYONE know (other than the confidential police interview) that I was there. First of all, I would be horribly traumatized and second of all, somehow, people think it is ok to just re-victimize a victim over and over. Picking them apart, talking about their weight, questioning every word they say.... nope! Social media has allowed people to be openly rude and judgmental for no good reason. I would never want to be dragged in the middle of that sh** show!

I was really hoping to come here seeing support for these 2 victims who interviewed with Ellen. I would venture to say Jesus has been the biggest victim of all here. Not only was he shot, but he probably sat in that hallway, frozen in terror, not able to save people he wanted and not even sure if he was going to be able to save himself. And then, on top of that, people feel the need to blame him, write fake articles accusing him, talking about his weight (stress, meds, body angle- I don't know, he looks like the same guy to me), his looks (his eyebrow has a big bandage across it. Who knows what he had to have happen- he possibly had shrapnel burns), his motives..... and this guy is clearly broken. I hope no one ever finds themselves in the position to be scrutinized and accused, just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's really so disrespectful and hateful and harmful to a person who is trying to heal. I hope everyone finds it within their hearts to approach him with the kindness and respect he deserves, as a victim. We are good at standing by our victims here. I will be showing him the same respect. If ever anything comes out that changes that, then it can be re-evaluated. But for now, he is a victim
 
What is the insinuation /suspicion about though? He appears thinner three weeks ago in digital photos. He appears heavier 3 weeks later in front of a television camera.
^^^BBM

Are there digital photos of JC taken THREE weeks ago that have been posted?

The “hero award” photo was ONE week ago, on October 10.

http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html
On October 10, 2017, SPFPA member Jesus Campos proudly accepts his "SPFPA Hero Award" for bravery in the line of duty.

10/17/17 ellen interview – (aired 10/18/17) ellentube:
https://streamable.com/u95l9
 
-The raw and valid problem with the numerous changes are they are basics. We are not expecting forensics or lab analysis at this point.

-Starting with JC or whoever made the first call. That is a 2-way contact trace supported by the airways of the source (whatever corporation they use for cellular, radio, alarm, digital or remote). So it then becomes a 3 way trace. The surveillance-another trace. From whatever point JC or SS started in the direction of what they were dispatched for there is some footage benchmark.

-SP is on surveillance at some point prior to shooting. They mentioned he gambled for X amount of hours prior to.

-Even so, they need to investigate further before giving more info; they have withheld basic information. One of the first things made public in these types is the footage of the most recent whereabouts of the shooter/perp. We have seen ZERO footage of SP.

This is so basic. I doubt one can use a pay phone anymore that doesn’t have at least output or input data reference.

At what time did the Boston kid do his bomb thing? How soon did we hear and see timeline references?
At what time did the first plane hit the first tower? How soon did we hear and see timeline references?

The Boston Bomber/s did not commit suicide directly after they bombed the marathon. They were on the loose. There are cameras all over public streets, especially in a major city, and especially during a huge event like The Boston Marathon. This is why they had an image quickly. There are no cameras in the MB hallways as has been established. In the Boston Marathon, LE was in "Active Bomber" mode for literally days. . They had to apprehend them before they could bomb and kill more people. And even then, they were on the loose and terrorizing Boston and Watertown for days.

The comparison of these two cases, how fast we had information, the means of how they killed, where they actually killed, and how the investigation had to follow, is like comparing Apples and Oranges. IMO.
 
^^^BBM

Are there digital photos of JC taken THREE weeks ago that have been posted?

The “hero award” photo was ONE week ago, on October 10.

http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html
On October 10, 2017, SPFPA member Jesus Campos proudly accepts his "SPFPA Hero Award" for bravery in the line of duty.

10/17/17 ellen interview – (aired 10/18/17) ellentube:
https://streamable.com/u95l9

ok, wow...stress can cause weight gain and puffiness though.
 
Fascinating LV documentary

" We don't want anything in LV that upsets the tourists , and if it is a touch of reality, that is not pretty, then we want to get rid of it.

You don't want to come in contact with reality , when you're here for a fantasy............"


[video=youtube;Dn7AeDKmWCM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7AeDKmWCM[/video]
 
I have a subscription to People magazine so I thought I'd share pictures of this beautiful tribute to the victims of this tragedy.

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Are you kidding??? Look at what poor Jesus has gone through, once people knew who he was! I would NEVER let ANYONE know (other than the confidential police interview) that I was there. First of all, I would be horribly traumatized and second of all, somehow, people think it is ok to just re-victimize a victim over and over. Picking them apart, talking about their weight, questioning every word they say.... nope! Social media has allowed people to be openly rude and judgmental for no good reason. I would never want to be dragged in the middle of that sh** show!

I was really hoping to come here seeing support for these 2 victims who interviewed with Ellen. I would venture to say Jesus has been the biggest victim of all here. Not only was he shot, but he probably sat in that hallway, frozen in terror, not able to save people he wanted and not even sure if he was going to be able to save himself. And then, on top of that, people feel the need to blame him, write fake articles accusing him, talking about his weight (stress, meds, body angle- I don't know, he looks like the same guy to me), his looks (his eyebrow has a big bandage across it. Who knows what he had to have happen- he possibly had shrapnel burns), his motives..... and this guy is clearly broken. I hope no one ever finds themselves in the position to be scrutinized and accused, just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's really so disrespectful and hateful and harmful to a person who is trying to heal. I hope everyone finds it within their hearts to approach him with the kindness and respect he deserves, as a victim. We are good at standing by our victims here. I will be showing him the same respect. If ever anything comes out that changes that, then it can be re-evaluated. But for now, he is a victim

this^ was said so well. Thank you!
 
Fascinating LV documentary

" We don't want anything in LV that upsets the tourists , and if it is a touch of reality, that is not pretty, then we want to get rid of it.

You don't want to come in contact with reality , when you're here for a fantasy............"


[video=youtube;Dn7AeDKmWCM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn7AeDKmWCM[/video]

Putin Obama... what is that?
 
Are you kidding??? Look at what poor Jesus has gone through, once people knew who he was! I would NEVER let ANYONE know (other than the confidential police interview) that I was there. First of all, I would be horribly traumatized and second of all, somehow, people think it is ok to just re-victimize a victim over and over. Picking them apart, talking about their weight, questioning every word they say.... nope! Social media has allowed people to be openly rude and judgmental for no good reason. I would never want to be dragged in the middle of that sh** show!

I was really hoping to come here seeing support for these 2 victims who interviewed with Ellen. I would venture to say Jesus has been the biggest victim of all here. Not only was he shot, but he probably sat in that hallway, frozen in terror, not able to save people he wanted and not even sure if he was going to be able to save himself. And then, on top of that, people feel the need to blame him, write fake articles accusing him, talking about his weight (stress, meds, body angle- I don't know, he looks like the same guy to me), his looks (his eyebrow has a big bandage across it. Who knows what he had to have happen- he possibly had shrapnel burns), his motives..... and this guy is clearly broken. I hope no one ever finds themselves in the position to be scrutinized and accused, just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's really so disrespectful and hateful and harmful to a person who is trying to heal. I hope everyone finds it within their hearts to approach him with the kindness and respect he deserves, as a victim. We are good at standing by our victims here. I will be showing him the same respect. If ever anything comes out that changes that, then it can be re-evaluated. But for now, he is a victim



-mpnola, I don’t see the correlation to my post? Please clarify. TIA
 
Are you kidding??? Look at what poor Jesus has gone through, once people knew who he was! I would NEVER let ANYONE know (other than the confidential police interview) that I was there. First of all, I would be horribly traumatized and second of all, somehow, people think it is ok to just re-victimize a victim over and over. Picking them apart, talking about their weight, questioning every word they say.... nope! Social media has allowed people to be openly rude and judgmental for no good reason. I would never want to be dragged in the middle of that sh** show!

I was really hoping to come here seeing support for these 2 victims who interviewed with Ellen. I would venture to say Jesus has been the biggest victim of all here. Not only was he shot, but he probably sat in that hallway, frozen in terror, not able to save people he wanted and not even sure if he was going to be able to save himself. And then, on top of that, people feel the need to blame him, write fake articles accusing him, talking about his weight (stress, meds, body angle- I don't know, he looks like the same guy to me), his looks (his eyebrow has a big bandage across it. Who knows what he had to have happen- he possibly had shrapnel burns), his motives..... and this guy is clearly broken. I hope no one ever finds themselves in the position to be scrutinized and accused, just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's really so disrespectful and hateful and harmful to a person who is trying to heal. I hope everyone finds it within their hearts to approach him with the kindness and respect he deserves, as a victim. We are good at standing by our victims here. I will be showing him the same respect. If ever anything comes out that changes that, then it can be re-evaluated. But for now, he is a victim

He is also a witness, both men are.
 
Are you kidding??? Look at what poor Jesus has gone through, once people knew who he was! I would NEVER let ANYONE know (other than the confidential police interview) that I was there. First of all, I would be horribly traumatized and second of all, somehow, people think it is ok to just re-victimize a victim over and over. Picking them apart, talking about their weight, questioning every word they say.... nope! Social media has allowed people to be openly rude and judgmental for no good reason. I would never want to be dragged in the middle of that sh** show!

I was really hoping to come here seeing support for these 2 victims who interviewed with Ellen. I would venture to say Jesus has been the biggest victim of all here. Not only was he shot, but he probably sat in that hallway, frozen in terror, not able to save people he wanted and not even sure if he was going to be able to save himself. And then, on top of that, people feel the need to blame him, write fake articles accusing him, talking about his weight (stress, meds, body angle- I don't know, he looks like the same guy to me), his looks (his eyebrow has a big bandage across it. Who knows what he had to have happen- he possibly had shrapnel burns), his motives..... and this guy is clearly broken. I hope no one ever finds themselves in the position to be scrutinized and accused, just by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's really so disrespectful and hateful and harmful to a person who is trying to heal. I hope everyone finds it within their hearts to approach him with the kindness and respect he deserves, as a victim. We are good at standing by our victims here. I will be showing him the same respect. If ever anything comes out that changes that, then it can be re-evaluated. But for now, he is a victim

SING IT, SISTER! Worth posting again IMO. Thank you x2.
 
fair enough, and that’s logical in my view. I have no problem with that, in the least.

what”s “yiaz” ? I can usually figure out if it is a typo, but this time I am scratching my head. Is it an abbreviated something?

Lol It was supposed to be FYI
 
-It is a disgrace Garden. And it is so disturbing for the way this is being conducted. To say there will be no more PC is a slap in the face. We may never find SPs motive or brain analysis but that is only one part of many problems in this tragedy.

Education is necessary for our future worldwide protection.
How does one now prepare for shootings from above?
Facilities, windows. Alarms on windows? Many things to consider...

How did he get this or that past security? What could prevent that from happening again?

HUGE: How do citizens-victims respond to the bizarre inaccurate delivery of tragic news? It is tragedy being relived over and over...as each time it changes. That in itself is so similarly tragic in nature-PTSD whiplash. They deserve truth and assurance from those that are employed to do so.

Ellen is great, but I wonder if the struggling victims took solace from that being as the key witness & victim of a historic massacre showed up with no attorney or MGM official. Use the correlation of 911, why is this any different in tone? Was the very first interview on Ellen???


In my opinion MGM is not going to be buddying up *in true confidence* with JC. The way they have spinned him already is obvious, he sadly doesn’t realize it yet. I don’t think the $1000 an hour Crisis Firm hired by MB for *damage control* has met with JC. If so, that would have been established prior to an interview and I don’t think they would suggest a day time comedy show as the lead out for JC. Regardless if he is shy, timid, etc.

Today we hear there was another voice in the hallway? Why didn’t LE or FBI choose to ignore that piece of info in their separate meetings with JC? Who is she?

We were initially told “drilling”? We did not see any holes with loads of sheetrock or wood dust on the ground? Did JC get to go back in the room with LE?

HUGE: Timeline. Is the public suppose to just ride with it? What can be done in the future to prevent a whacked timeline??? Many responses for that. We live in America!

I could go on and on. This is pathetic and unreal. “A historic massacre” and no more PC??? That is a HISTORIC MASSACRE!

If not 911...use another example for the impact value.
This was not the first time we heard about a person coming out of their room and being told to go back inside.

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