NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[kaen]

“If you watch the entire show, the venue is not where I would have put these two heroes to tell their story,” David Hickey, president of the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America, told Fox News. “I’m not criticizing Mr. Campos and his decision, since he has been through a horrendous event, but what I was saying is it’s not the venue I would have chosen or recommended.”


“I felt like this was a time that Mr. Campos should be made comfortable and confident to do something he had never done before, to speak on air and to do it live,” Hickey said."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/20...-evidence.html

This was posted earlier by MistyWaters, I believe. (For some reason, I couldn't quote it. Thanks, MistyWaters.)


1. Mr. Hickey acknowledges that Ellen was Mr. Campos decision.

2. Mr. Hickey was wanting Mr. Campos to do something he was not comfortable doing. I tend to think it was because Mr. Hickey wanted the news outlets to mention and take note of the union. The whole idea of legitimate news outlets as a hero venue speaks to the idea of wanting the role of security people as legitimate first responders, I believe.

Mr. Campos was wise to do what felt right to him rather than performing for the union or anyone else.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

This part of the quote from the Daily Mail is definitely a lie so you have to question the intent of the article as a whole.

Instead of asking Campos and fellow hotel worker Steven Schuck about how the deadly event unfolded,...

 

[kittythehare]

Is Campos a suspect in this massacre?

 

[kaen]

Is Campos a suspect in this massacre?

No, he is a victim. And, a victim who, by his own account, is working to get better physically and mentally.

 

[jjenny]

What kind of question is that? Obviously he is not a suspect.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Las Vegas tourism sees changes in aftermath of shooting
Regina Garcia Cano, Associated Press Published 8:42 a.m. ET Oct. 21, 2017

Las Vegas — Las Vegas’ tourism sector is bracing for changes in the aftermath of the massacre that killed 58 people at an outdoor music festival.

Analysts who closely track the finances of the city’s casino companies say Las Vegas will see a short-term dip in visitors in response to the shooting.

Casinos and police may have to impose new security measures after gunman Stephen Paddock brought more than 20 rifles into his hotel room and drove a car filled with explosives into the parking garage.

The “What Happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas” slogan has been put on hold, as has one unveiled in the weeks before the shooting by the owner of Mandalay Bay that said, “We are not in the hotel business … we are in the holy s--- business.” ...

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2017/10/21/las-vegas-tourism-security/106876308/

 

[kaen]

What kind of question is that? Obviously he is not a suspect.

I think the poster is suggesting that questioning Mr. Campos choices, including his lack of interviews and changing his mind about where he would be interviewed, begins to convey that he is a suspect or his actions were suspect.

 

[jjenny]

I think the poster is suggesting that questioning Mr. Campos choices, including his lack of interviews and changing his mind about where he would be interviewed, begins to convey that he is a suspect or his actions were suspect.

Not sure what that specific poster's suggestion is, but that sure seems to be the insinuation behind the other posts that you describe.

 

[KaaBoom]

OK, I went and found the video and watched all eight minutes of it. I'm still not impressed. It was exactly what I expected, a typical entertainment show right to the end when she presented him with a giant blown up check.:facepalm: I felt like I was watching a game show or something. That was entertainment, not a legitimate news interview, and I don't believe it was his idea.

[video=youtube;F7gj1FoRIfE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7gj1FoRIfE[/video]

 

[kaen]

OK, I went and found the video and watched all eight minutes of it. I'm still not impressed. It was exactly what I expected, a typical entertainment show right to the end when she presented him with a giant blown up check.:facepalm: I felt like I was watching a game show or something. That was entertainment, not a legitimate news interview, and I don't believe it was his idea.

Even the head of the union states it was his idea---BBM
“If you watch the entire show, the venue is not where I would have put these two heroes to tell their story,” David Hickey, president of the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America, told Fox News. “I’m not criticizing Mr. Campos and his decision, since he has been through a horrendous event, but what I was saying is it’s not the venue I would have chosen or recommended.”


“I felt like this was a time that Mr. Campos should be made comfortable and confident to do something he had never done before, to speak on air and to do it live,” Hickey said."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/20...-evidence.html

 

[KaaBoom]

Daily mail is a tabloid that isn't known for its accuracy.

So you don't think the Daily Mail is a credible news source, but you do think a comedy talk show is?

 

[kittythehare]

No, he is a victim. And, a victim who, by his own account, is working to get better physically and mentally.

Then perhaps he should be allowed the privacy and dignity to do so..
I'm personally sick to death reading character assassinations and conspiracy theories surrounding him while the elephant in the room, Paddock, is overlooked..

I went through an alexjones phase too, when I was much younger.
I despise all he stands for now..
At the end of the day, the security head should have been giving the interviews, not the unfortunate employee targeted by the mass killer.

I'm not saying there wont be conspiracies down the road when the lawsuits pile in..
but, realistically I do not believe it could have been prevented.

The MGM corpo could have done a lot more and should be doing a lot more for the victims, including Campos.. as a goodwill gesture.
That they have not means that Vegas will be forever tainted by their dehumanisation of all the victims.

It shines a very bright light on that particular corporation, contaminating the blood of the dead and injured.
who was Paddock and why did he do what he did in the manner he did it?

 

[jjenny]

Well, exactly. Sounds like the union wanted him to do all those interviews because the president of the union believed that to be appropriate and decided for him that he should have been ready.

 

[jjenny]

So you don't think the Daily Mail is a credible news source, but you do think a comedy talk show is?

I have long expressed my views on daily mail not being credible and haven't expressed any views on credibility of comedy talk shows.

 

[MistyWaters]

Is Campos a suspect in this massacre?

I think I know what you mean. The underlying insinuation is that JC, apparently controlled by MGM, was strong- armed into to covering up "something" to mitigate MGM's guilt. Leading towards MGM accused of causing the massacre. JC forced to lie makes him a suspect. Seems SP is not responsible for his own actions. MGM has become "the enemy". That's what I get out of it, reading between the lines.

I have read nothing to suggest MB's response was any different than other large hotel or resorts amd certainly not that MB caused the massacre to occur. If they are found liable because of their security procedures in the future lawsuits filed, it will prompt noticeable security changes in ALL resort security and outdoor concerts. That's just the way it goes.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

People can sue anybody for anything. It's far from certain any such lawsuits would prevail. In this particular case, suspect was a regular casino player for years, stayed in hotels many times, and haven't caused any problems. It would be hard to show that hotel should have known something was wrong this time.

 

[KaaBoom]

Well, exactly. Sounds like the union wanted him to do all those interviews because the president of the union believed that to be appropriate and decided for him that he should have been ready.

And then MGM decided that was not in their best interest, so they booked him on a comedy show instead. You make a good point though, it does seem like he is being manipulated, by multiple parties. But I have to believe that the union is more looking out for his best interest, then a company that stands to lose billions from lawsuits.

 

[jjenny]

How is union looking out for his best interests? Union president, based on the quote, apparently decided JC should have been ready to give live interviews. Sure doesn't sound like JC was actually ready for anything of the sort.

 

[kaen]

Mr. Campos chose to tell his story rather than being interviewed (by five different shows, at that). He chose a kind and empathetic person to host him as he told his story. It is no skin off anyone's back that he chose to do that. I wish him well in his recovery. He owes nothing to anyone except himself.

 

[kaen]

And then MGM decided that was not in their best interest, so they booked him on a comedy show instead. You make a good point though, it does seem like he is being manipulated, by multiple parties. But I have to believe that the union is more looking out for his best interest, then a company that stands to lose billions from lawsuits.

“I’m not criticizing Mr. Campos and his decision, since he has been through a horrendous event, but what I was saying is it’s not the venue I would have chosen or recommended.”


“I felt like this was a time that Mr. Campos should be made comfortable and confident to do something he had never done before, to speak on air and to do it live,” Hickey said."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/20...-evidence.html

His decision, according to the union president. No one has said on record it was the Casino/Parent company decision to do Ellen. Yes, manipulated by the union president it seems.