NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

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ohreally said:
Ellen gaming machines are not exclusive to MGM corp. Several other celebrities have gaming machines too. Also there are tv shows that have thier own gaming machines. Celebrities perform in Las Vegas. Ellen performing at any venue in Vegas is not suspicious to me.
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-I recall something being mentioned about Ellen choosing to have her name licensed to a Gaming Company. And that its a bit more involved versus the casinos putting celeb names on the machines in their typical general manner. Don’t know the source, post or if its accurate. If anyone has a recollection please post it. TIA
 
So, when he didn't give an interview, some posters are complaining that he didn't give an interview. When he gave an interview, same posters are now picking apart the show he gave an interview on, as if there somehow was some nefarious reason that he gave an interview. No wonder he was apparently reluctant to give an interview to begin with, because obviously he can't win. Despite being a victim of a horrible crime.
 
jjenny said:
So, when he didn't give an interview, some posters are complaining that he didn't give an interview. When he gave an interview, same posters are now picking apart the show he gave an interview on, as if there somehow was some nefarious reason that he gave an interview. No wonder he was apparently reluctant to give an interview to begin with, because obviously he can't win. Despite being a victim of a horrible crime.
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I cannot connect the word (or idea behind the word) "nefarious" with Ellen. All sorts of other descriptives come to mind when I think of her, which makes the choice of an interview with her make sense for a victim. Kind, gentle, compassionate, open, loving, safe, caring. I don't think of her as a comedian first. We have all seen her connect with people, show empathy, cry with us, etc.

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jjenny said:
So, when he didn't give an interview, some posters are complaining that he didn't give an interview. When he gave an interview, same posters are now picking apart the show he gave an interview on, as if there somehow was some nefarious reason that he gave an interview. No wonder he was apparently reluctant to give an interview to begin with, because obviously he can't win. Despite being a victim of a horrible crime.
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Appearing on a comedy-entertainment talk show that has corporate connections to his employer, hardly qualifies as giving an interview. IMHO. I think he needs to appear on a major news interview show with no restrictions on the questions, before I will accept that he has given an interview.
 
vmmking said:
I cannot connect the word (or idea behind the word) "nefarious" with Ellen. All sorts of other descriptives come to mind when I think of her, which makes the choice of an interview with her make sense for a victim. Kind, gentle, compassionate, open, loving, safe, caring. I don't think of her as a comedian first. We have all seen her connect with people, show empathy, cry with us, etc.
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The victim didn't choose that show. His employer did, after they shut down his plans for other interviews.
 
KaaBoom said:
Appearing on a comedy-entertainment talk show that has corporate connections to his employer, hardly qualifies as giving an interview. IMHO. I think he needs to appear on a major news interview show with no restrictions on the questions, before I will accept that he has given an interview.
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He doesn't need to do anything. He is a victim of a crime. He gave an interview in a format that was apparently comfortable to him. He isn't obligated to go on major news shows if he doesn't want to.
 
KaaBoom said:
Appearing on a comedy-entertainment talk show that has corporate connections to his employer, hardly qualifies as giving an interview. IMHO. I think he needs to appear on a major news interview show with no restrictions on the questions, before I will accept that he has given an interview.
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Why should he give any interviews? He was a person doing his job when cast into a limelight he never chose.

I cannot even imagine the PTSD he must have. Hopefully he is not aware of a lot of the horrible things said about him.

I hope he gets a huge pile of money and can move and live somewhere else in peace
 
human said:
Why should he give any interviews? He was a person doing his job when cast into a limelight he never chose.

I cannot even imagine the PTSD he must have. Hopefully he is not aware of a lot of the horrible things said about him.

I hope he gets a huge pile of money and can move and live somewhere else in peace
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Not sure where he'd get that pile of money?
 
jjenny said:
Not sure where he'd get that pile of money?
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All of the money that was raised for the families and the victims of this shooting will be distributed for healthcare and mental healthcare costs. I am sure there will also be payouts to help with bills and other essentials for victims and their families. I hope this man does get money that can help him to restore his life.

I watched the Ellen interview. My initial reaction when I watched was that he is a man with some serious PTSD or other issues. Just like the people on the ground level who will never be the same, he won't be either.

Mr. Campos did not want attention or money or gifts. He could barely keep it together when Ellen had the donations in his name. Ultimately the law suits will begin against the shooter's estate and the casinos. I also hope that Mr. Campos receives an offer that will allow him to live in peace.
 
There is a lot of victims so even dividing up all the shooter's estate likely won't get a lot of money to each individual victim (I don't think that perp was that rich). The same goes for all the money raised for the victims, especially if money goes toward medical expenses. There likely won't be a lot left for each individual victim.
 
KaaBoom said:
Appearing on a comedy-entertainment talk show that has corporate connections to his employer, hardly qualifies as giving an interview. IMHO. I think he needs to appear on a major news interview show with no restrictions on the questions, before I will accept that he has given an interview.
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He told what happened. It was really pretty straightforward. It doesn't matter who was sitting in the interviewer's chair. He talked about finding the door screwed shut, getting shot, telling the woman and the engineer to get back, calling the situation in, and hearing sounds. What other questions would anyone want answered? The man experienced a small slice of what happened that night. I don't think a hard hitting interviewer was going to get him to remember or connect some dots he doesn't have. Mr. Campos has been interviewed by LE and needs to answer to no one about his actions except LE (and maybe not even them).

The idea of no restrictions implies that he might not be telling the truth. IMHO, we have no evidence of that and I imagine LE doesn't either as he has not been named as a person of interest or a suspect.
 
KaaBoom said:
The victim didn't choose that show. His employer did, after they shut down his plans for other interviews.
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Are you implying that he has something he wants to say but is being restricted from doing so? Do you think that MGM is trying to hide something?
 
jjenny said:
There is a lot of victims so even dividing up all the shooter's estate likely won't get a lot of money to each individual victim (I don't think that perp was that rich). The same goes for all the money raised for the victims, especially if money goes toward medical expenses. There likely won't be a lot left for each individual victim.
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People will sue the deeper pockets as well. I believe that MGM will be on the hook in the minds of some of the victims or families, looking at questions of how he got the fire power in the building, security questions, and the Mandalay Bay notifying LE about the issue. I think MGM and their insurance companies will set up a fund at some point to try and avoid any judgments. It isn't about what they did in a lawsuit as much as that 1%, 10% or whatever percentage of liability that a jury or judge might assess.
 
vmmking said:
Ellen also had the mother of the Charlottesville victim on her show,

AND Pulse victims.

So it's not fair to pretend that this was an aberration from her normal thing when it's clearly part of her track record.

https://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/9/08/pulse-shooting-victim-tells-ellen-how-he-survived-video

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I agree, Ellen was an appropriate choice for JC to express his version of events without intimidation. The prior arrangement - five interviews back to back, infotainment shows competing against each other for ratings..... Competition, the media creating a spectacle of any traumatized victim, is not right imo. It reminds me of the public salivitating over taking a look at some kind of roadkill.

I think the speaking out of the Union President forced JC's hand and that he wasn't supportive of the Ellen appearance is very telling. But it was also he who led media headlines of JC mysterious disappearance which drove all sorts of speculation.

So what the Ellen show accomplished -
- we know JC is alive, not kidnapped by mysterious forces.
- to me anyway, he appeared totally genuine. Strike off any co-conspiring theories of illicit involvement with SP.
- he was accompanied by his coworker, the maintence guy who also collaborated each other's stories. Seemed to me the working relationship between the two was respectful. No drama there.
- as would be expected his involvement was seriously traumatizing and certainly did not appear to have returned from "a vacation". He is a victim.

Therefore JC's appearance on Ellen did quell many rumours and I think it was the right thing to do, regardless if it was his idea or a suggestion by someone else. JMO
 
jjenny said:
He doesn't need to do anything. He is a victim of a crime. He gave an interview in a format that was apparently comfortable to him. He isn't obligated to go on major news shows if he doesn't want to.
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The problem is that he did want to, but his employers stopped him. My issue is not with his right to refuse to do an interview, but rather with an appearance on an entertainment show being passed off as an interview. I also think it's unfortunate that his employer coerced him to cancel five real interviews that he clearly wanted to do, and instead booked him on an entertainment show that they own.
 
KaaBoom said:
The problem is that he did want to, but his employers stopped him. My issue is not with his right to refuse to do an interview, but rather with an appearance on an entertainment show being passed off as an interview. I also think it's unfortunate that his employer coerced him to cancel five real interviews that he clearly wanted to do, and instead booked him on an entertainment show that they own.
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How exactly do we know that he wanted to? We know he was going to and then didn't. But we haven't actually heard from him whether or not he wanted to do any of them, have we?

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KaaBoom said:
The problem is that he did want to, but his employers stopped him. My issue is not with his right to refuse to do an interview, but rather with an appearance on an entertainment show being passed off as an interview. I also think it's unfortunate that his employer coerced him to cancel five real interviews that he clearly wanted to do, and instead booked him on an entertainment show that they own.
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I missed where he said he wanted to do those 5 interviews. Was that something he stated on Ellen?
 
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