NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[KaaBoom]

Remember that early on the Sheriff indicated that it appears SP intended to escape the room. So I suspect that he had other plans for those explosives and another part of the massacre that never developed. We don't, and may never know, why SP stopped shooting when he did and why his plan fell apart.

The Sheriff also indicated that SP had to have accomplices. He has since backtracked on that, and said that SP acted alone. So I wouldn't put much stake in anything the Sheriff says. He has blundered this investigation from the start.

This was clearly a lone wolf suicide mission from the start. SP was not that dumb. He knew there was no way he was going to get out of there alive. The explosives, like the extra guns is just another example of SP's excessiveness. He wanted more weapons than he needed there. That doesn't mean he planned to use them all. Just like he didn't need all the homes that he never stayed at.

 

[KaaBoom]

****Paddock unleashed bullets on concertgoers for about 10 minutes. The police didn't get to Paddock's suite until 10:17 p.m. They didn't breach the room until 11:20 p.m., after a SWAT team arrived with explosive charges, Lombardo said****

It's unclear why Paddock stopped shooting into the festival crowd after 10 minutes.


-If already discussed I can’t recall it at the moment. What did they do between 10:17 and 11:20 ??? TIA

Legally police have no duty to protect anyone. Their training is simple, officer safety is the number one priority. Which means that even after the suspect is dead, they always wait as long as possible to make sure he is dead, before they enter, and in this case they apparently shot his dead body to be absolutely positive he was dead and no threat to officers. That's the training they use in almost every single case, with very few exceptions.

 

[vlpate]

OK. The room next to the suite. The one with the food cart out front with the wiring. The one with the broken window, is definitely 32-134. The same room Brian Hodges says was his. WTF

You can clearly see the room # in this video from Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...7140d2eed02_video.html?utm_term=.7d47144c8cf0

SP riddled this hallway with over 200 bullets, but if you look at this cart, and the walls/door behind it, I don't see any sign of a 20 second (9 bullets per second), sustained round of bullets.

 

[KaaBoom]

SP riddled this hallway with over 200 bullets, but if you look at this cart, and the walls/door behind it, I don't see any sign of a 20 second (9 bullets per second), sustained round of bullets.

200 rounds does seem kind of hard to believe. But I don't think that video of a small area proves much. Maybe he did fire 200 rounds. If the shots went down the hallway, there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of damage right outside the door.

 

[Gooddeeds]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/1...pos-surfaces-on-ellen-degeneres-show.amp.html

SNIPPED FROM ABOVE:

“We’re more than pleased that he's resurfaced and appears to be in good health," Hickey said. "If he comes back as a security officer at Mandalay Bay, we'll see him again. If not, we wish him the best."

-IF HE COMES BACK AS A SECURITY OFFICER AT ***MANDALAY BAY***
-Did JC voice whether or not he has made a decision yet to return to MB?

“SG Campos had canceled several scheduled TV interviews last week and his appearance Wednesday did nothing to quell rampant speculation and rumors surrounding the horrific attack.


*********************************other SNIPS
“The police timeline changed dramatically a week later, when authorities said Campos...”

The timeline of the massacre changed again last Friday, when Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo...”

“Nearly three weeks since Paddock killed....
the FBI and Las Vegas Police have yet to...
and questions remain about the timeline of events...”
...which have become muddled after police and the owners of Mandalay Bay gave conflicting statements”

 

[ohreally]

The reason officer safety is first is because if the officers die they can no longer help save lives. Can you provide a link please to say they shot his body. There was a report of shots fired, but we don't know what the shots were for. It could be something as simple as shooting the lock out of the connecting door..

 

[KaaBoom]

The reason officer safety is first is because if the officers die they can no longer help save lives. Can you provide a link please to say they shot his body. There was a report of shots fired, but we don't know what the shots were for. It could be something as simple as shooting the lock out of the connecting door..

I'm sorry the only link I can provide is to posts in this thread. It's just speculation of some of the posters here but it makes sense to me. So I have no reason to believe it is not true, and that is why I said "apparently".

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?353026-59-Dead-over-500-injured-in-Mandalay-Bay-shooting-in-Las-Vegas-1-October-2017-7&p=13703934#post13703934

 

[ohreally]

I agree we each have an opinion. I just cannot see why the swat team would shoot him up when it was possible he could had explosives in the room or on him. I wonder if they knew about the explosives in his car at the time they entered the room.

 

[kittythehare]

I agree we each have an opinion. I just cannot see why the swat team would shoot him up when it was possible he could had explosives in the room or on him. I wonder if they knew about the explosives in his car at the time they entered the room.

They were handling it as per protocols for a terrorist attack.
They do not shoot dead people and if they decide to shoot a terrorist they invariably take head shots in order to prevent terrorist exploding a vbied vest or belt.. head shot is quicker immobilisation.

heres a link and its UK but standards are pretty much Intl
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/...minutes-and-hours-after-a-major-terror-attack

 

[vlpate]

200 rounds does seem kind of hard to believe. But I don't think that video of a small area proves much. Maybe he did fire 200 rounds. If the shots went down the hallway, there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of damage right outside the door.

I found another pic that does show bullet holes in the tablecloth, but Reddit is the source, so I'may not going to post, but looks authentic.

 

[ohreally]

They were handling it as per protocols for a terrorist attack.
They do not shoot dead people and if they decide to shoot a terrorist they invariably take head shots in order to prevent terrorist gexploding a vbied vest or belt.. head shot is quicker immobilisation.

Makes sense to me.

 

[kittythehare]

Makes sense to me.

This is a highly reputable source for info on terrorism This link discusses post San Bernadino.
https://ctc.usma.edu/posts/lessons-...-san-bernardino-and-orlando-terrorist-attacks

Exact and precise timing is really important and significant.. article explains why this is so.

 

[everybodhi]

The reason officer safety is first is because if the officers die they can no longer help save lives. Can you provide a link please to say they shot his body. There was a report of shots fired, but we don't know what the shots were for. It could be something as simple as shooting the lock out of the connecting door..

The swat team used explosives on the door and blew it to smithereens.

Las Vegas officers describe storming shooter Stephen Paddock's hotel room

Dave Newton: I could see the suspect's door was just riddled with bullet holes coming out. it looked like Swiss cheese.

Levi Hancock, the SWAT team member, was armed with explosive charges to blow through doors. Around 11 p.m. the team began to execute a plan. They had heard no gunfire since reaching the hallway, and had no idea what or who was behind the door. David Newton had a hand-held ballistic shield.

Dave Newton: Now I'm standing out in front of this bullet-ridden door with nothing except for a shield that's, you know, I'm hoping would help a little bit. And-- that was the point I said-- I just start praying that nothing goes off of phone wise or radio or anything else 'cause we're trying to be as quiet as we can 'cause we didn't want him to know we were out there and start spraying at us. And I'm watchin' Levi put the charge on 'em. I'm like, "Hurry, hurry, hurry, but be quiet." And-- so then we got it hung and then we retreated back into the stairwell, blow the door.

 

[ohreally]

The swat team used explosives on the door and blew it to smithereens.

Las Vegas officers describe storming shooter Stephen Paddock's hotel room

IIRC there was a link posted days ago that SWAT did fire after entering the room. Not mentioning what they fired at. What I don't remember is the source of the information. I would like to know if it was said by a named official or an unnamed source. It might of happened. It might not of. I do believe that it did it was because it needed to be done.

 

[SeesSeas]

IIRC there was a link posted days ago that SWAT did fire after entering the room. Not mentioning what they fired at. What I don't remember is the source of the information. I would like to know if it was said by a named official or an unnamed source. It might of happened. It might not of. I do believe that it did it was because it needed to be done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...strip-due-to-shooting/?utm_term=.041d950bd466
October 2
SWAT officers ultimately stormed the room and some fired shots, though Paddock is believed to have killed himself, Lombardo said.

 

[kittythehare]

The swat team used explosives on the door and blew it to smithereens.

Las Vegas officers describe storming shooter Stephen Paddock's hotel room

Well they did not actually blow it to smithereens, See photos.. door was lying on its side in crime scene photos, not all of it was visible.
Allegedly SP had blown it to smithereens too with the alleged 200...

 

[not-starving actress]

Whew. I am looking forward to this thread. With facts.

Ellen... such an odd choice, as it is usually a comedy show. And is prerecorded, which means it already happened. I need to remember to watch

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Actually it isn't an "odd choice." There are direct links between MGM Corp which includes Mandalay Bay and Ellen's show. I'm sure Ellen has performed as a stand up 1-woman show in Vegas. High rollers are often treated to a meet & greet or even lunch with their celeb of choice IF it can be arranged on the star's schedule. Slot machines with Ellen's picture on it are located in this chain of casinos as well.

Re this entire thread, I returned to WS as I wanted to add a comment with new info to a previous case I had been following. Then I saw this thread. I live in Vegas. While I was not at the concert, I have previously worked in casinos and understand SOP. Watching many online (now generally deleted) videos of this case I can honestly say SOP were not followed.

I've also read a tremendous amount about this case including the "official" plus the "real" employment history of SP, his father, info about the guns found at the scene, etc, all contributed by anonymous pros specializing in various fields. Most interesting were comments by former career military officers with different specialties.

I don't know how I can read more than a few posts without wanting to make very polite but contradictory comments based on what I've read. I guess I better go read a different thread.

 

[HoneyWest]

Actually it isn't an "odd choice." There are direct links between MGM Corp which includes Mandalay Bay and Ellen's show. I'm sure Ellen has performed as a stand up 1-woman show in Vegas. High rollers are often treated to a meet & greet or even lunch with their celeb of choice IF it can be arranged on the star's schedule. Slot machines with Ellen's picture on it are located in this chain of casinos as well.

Re this entire thread, I returned to WS as I wanted to add a comment with new info to a previous case I had been following. Then I saw this thread. I live in Vegas. While I was not at the concert, I have previously worked in casinos and understand SOP. Watching many online (now generally deleted) videos of this case I can honestly say SOP were not followed.

I've also read a tremendous amount about this case including the "official" plus the "real" employment history of SP, his father, info about the guns found at the scene, etc, all contributed by anonymous pros specializing in various fields. Most interesting were comments by former career military officers with different specialties.

I don't know how I can read more than a few posts without wanting to make very polite but contradictory comments based on what I've read. I guess I better go read a different thread.

Can you provide some kind of link to show any direct links between Mandalay Bay and Ellen Degeneres? The electronic games with her image on them doesn't mean anything...her games are popular with the guests in all kinds of casinos, not just ones owned by MGM.

 

[ohreally]

Ellen gaming machines are not exclusive to MGM corp. Several other celebrities have gaming machines too. Also there are tv shows that have thier own gaming machines. Celebrities perform in Las Vegas. Ellen performing at any venue in Vegas is not suspicious to me.

 

[kittythehare]

Ellen gaming machines are not exclusive to MGM corp. Several other celebrities have gaming machines too. Also there are tv shows that have thier own gaming machines. Celebrities perform in Las Vegas. Ellen performing at any venue in Vegas is not suspicious to me.

Nor did I ever receive the impression that Ellen Degeneres is beholden to anyone at all, much less controlled or owned by..
she is quite a powerful and brilliant woman.