NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[Deleted member 158085]

zoned out i think some of u are still following -- some questions :

Any update on number of injured still in hospitals

Any reports on their wounds?

Any reports on prognosis?

any more first responders narratives?

any dispute of police dispatch in quotes about shooters hours after he was dead>

Anything more about the roommate/friend?

Any word on cop injuries?

any word on how he got a bunch of machine guns in his room?

Any explanation about anyone related to this has no SM presence?

Any follow up on him his owning two aircraft?

Do we know anything more about the siblings?

any explanation about why MSM left the story within 72 hours when there was not a big huge override?

Any interview with staff in the 3000 room hotel that night?

any explanation why the guy who was guarding him had a towel over his license plate -- its on video ?

just some questions

any reason why the airport was not closed down right away --hours afterward??

any information about his two airplanes?

Any confirmation of his amazing wealth?

any information - outside of his purchasing 6 guns from 4 states - any reports on how he got the other 39 machine guns?

in tim mckay they tracked down the bomb stuff - any traces about where he obtained the substance that has been used in past terrorist attacks


Is there a date and time for the next presser?

what is the actual location of the girlfriend or roommate

any information on the 100 thousand bucks?

any information of about victims being hit by what caliber stuff any difference in wound


Clarification on the Australian?

How have the hotels bookings been impacted??

Anymore on the maintenance mans life -- where he lives education marital status income

any info about first responders being offered ptsd intervention

how are first responds doing -- there were understandable first responds that were having a horrolbe time

explanation about why the airport was shut down really long afr ater?

Has LE explained how he obtained the other 39 machine guns?

Any breakdown on how many and which facilities received injures ?

FBi said anything -- in Pulse FBI guy did good?

Washington address any of this?

Anyone _know about how Eric is doing?

Is the room sti_ll closed off?

Some of you are still following any info??

Google can answer many of these things.

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[zencompass]

What I can't understand is why the MGM lawyer would argue against a restraining order for MGM to preserve evidence.

I just don't understand why MGM wouldn't show their transparency by agreeing to this, at least in respect of the victims.

The Order was granted against the argument of the MGM lawyer.

It was a request for an Order to "preserve evidence" so I don't understand why the MGM lawyer would fight against it.

From article (below)

"The hotel, managed by MGM Resorts International, is required by the exhaustive order to preserve everything from the hotel's video surveillance to Paddock's gambling record to the broken glass in the hotel room, and any other evidence in connection to the shooting."

"According to CNN affiliate KLAS, MGM's lawyers argued the order would be unnecessary, because the evidence was already being preserved for investigators."

"What remains will be preserved, but it's frankly unsafe to keep (the hotel room) in its current condition," said Brad Brian, an attorney who argued on behalf of MGM Thursday."


http://www.krtv.com/story/36648257/mgm-ordered-to-preserve-evidence-connected-to-las-vegas-shooting

 

[zencompass]

Also from article from above post:

"But the order isn't exclusive to MGM Resorts International or the hotel. Defendants also include Live Nation Entertainment -- which promoted the country music festival -- as well as Slide Fire Solutions, a Texas company that develops bump stocks, an accessory police say Paddock had outfitted his weapons with to mimic automatic gunfire."

In relation to MGM: (from below article):

"The litigation, he said, could help improve security at Las Vegas properties. The restraining order asks to prevent the casino giant from “erasing, damaging or destroying” everything from a security staffing schedule to information about Paddock’s VIP hosts. As another way of identifying potential trouble inside hotels, Lee also pointed to a “do not disturb” placard that authorities said hung on the door outside Paddock’s suite for days before the shooting."

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-requiring-mgm-resorts-to-preserve-evidence/

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Thank god for the heroes.
We don't all have the hero instinct, some of us have the "flight" instinct, rather than the "fight" one.
I am embarrassed to admit it, but, I'm such a chicken ****, when I witnessed a bomb and people bleeding all around me, I didn't stop running with my friends and family until we got to the freeway and we couldn't run any further.

OT, but thank you for sharing your experience. I do, however DISAGREE that you running in the aftermath of a bombing like the one you described makes you a chicken****.

One, it’s human, given the circumstances. Two, it’s expected in such a situation. Three — and maybe most important to remember, imho — your *friends and family* were with you, meaning each one of you knew the other ones were OK and you PROTECTED EACH OTHER by exiting the area TOGETHER. None of that is chicken****, imho. To the contrary. The only chicken**** is the cowardly summbeech who attacked innocents. ❤️❤️❤️


[emoji202]MOO

 

[zencompass]

Thank god for the heroes.
We don't all have the hero instinct, some of us have the "flight" instinct, rather than the "fight" one.
I am embarrassed to admit it, but, I'm such a chicken ****, when I witnessed a bomb and people bleeding all around me, I didn't stop running with my friends and family until we got to the freeway and we couldn't run any further.

Dear Everybodhi,

You had the courage to run. Can you imagine if you had "froze" and your family stayed to nudge you into running? You did the absolute right and courageous thing to do. We all do the courageous thing to do at that moment and we are meant to do what our instinct demands. We really have no choice but follow our instinct.

I look at it this way (the only way): If you hadn't instinctively ran with your family, then they would have stayed with you and that was not the right thing to do at that moment.

You are an amazing, compassionate person and I have learned so much from your posts.

Namaste,

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'd not seen the actual number of suitcases before.

"Usually within 24, 48 hours after an incident like this, we generally know what the motive is," said Art Roderick, retired assistant director of the US Marshals Service and a CNN law enforcement analyst. "In my opinion, I think he doesn't want us to know. He wants us to continue to ask these questions. This is a unique case. This individual is almost in a category by himself."

... He checked in to the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, bringing in two dozen guns in 10 suitcases. A hotel employee accompanied Paddock on two occasions with his luggage, assisting him with the service elevator.

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[animlzrule]

I'd not seen the actual number of suitcases before.



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I've not been able to understand the skepticism and bewilderment of those who have questioned how he could have possibly brought all of those weapons into the hotel on his own. I keep thinking maybe people have never heard of/seen a luggage cart, and perhaps they don't know that it's very common to have hotel workers assist guests with hauling their luggage to their room. I have absolutely no doubt that this individual perpetrated this on his own, and I don't think it was remotely difficult, either. He had the money, the means and the perfect opportunity. How hard is it to buy guns, haul guns into a hotel in luggage, and fire hundreds of rounds in a matter of minutes? Not very, obviously. It will happen again.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, it isn't hard to get a lot of luggage into a hotel room. That's what carts are for. This guy was a regular, played in casinos and stayed in hotels many times without any issues. Hotel wouldn't have any red flags just because he showed up with a bunch of suitcases. Lots of people show up in hotels with a bunch of suitcases.

 

[HastingsChi]

Ignorant Question:
Has law enforcement revealed how many of the deceased were killed by gunfire and how many were killed in other ways (trampling, heart attack, etc)?

Given the number of attendees and so few exits, I'd hypothesize that it's likely that some folks were killed in other ways during the sheer panic of folks desperately trying to escape.

 

[MistyWaters]

This is an interesting and informative read:


How the Las Vegas Shooting Could Change Police Tactics

"A trained sharpshooter firing from atop the University of Texas Tower in 1966 introduced many Americans to mass casualty attacks, but almost all of the large-scale shootings since then — including Sandy Hook and Orlando — have taken place at ground level with the gunman killing from relatively close range.

One result: Even as mass shootings became more frequent and police departments expanded training on how to confront a gunman, officers were typically coached on close-quarters assaults taking place on the first couple of floors of schools, shopping malls and office buildings.

Then came Sunday night, when a gunman, identified as Stephen Paddock, opened fire from the 32nd floor of a Las Vegas hotel, targeting a crowd at a concert some 500 yards away. At least 58 people were killed and about 500 others injured.

Former and current law enforcement chiefs and other experts predicted that Sunday’s shooting would alter the training at many police forces to include more of a focus on the threat posed by high-rise snipers or others who kill from long distances........(more)
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/police-response-mass-shootings.html

 

[Gooddeeds]

I've not been able to understand the skepticism and bewilderment of those who have questioned how he could have possibly brought all of those weapons into the hotel on his own. I keep thinking maybe people have never heard of/seen a luggage cart, and perhaps they don't know that it's very common to have hotel workers assist guests with hauling their luggage to their room. I have absolutely no doubt that this individual perpetrated this on his own, and I don't think it was remotely difficult, either. He had the money, the means and the perfect opportunity. How hard is it to buy guns, haul guns into a hotel in luggage, and fire hundreds of rounds in a matter of minutes? Not very, obviously. It will happen again.

-i think the skepticism comes from him using the service elevator, versus a VIP/private.

 

[MistyWaters]

-i think the skepticism comes from him using the service elevator, versus a VIP/private.

One of the lawsuits filed states that he had access to the VIP service elevator.
From here:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...r-requiring-mgm-resorts-to-preserve-evidence/

Otherwise every media that reported SP used the freight or employee elevator didn't quote a named source so there's no way to know how reliable the information is. But if he did, wouldn't it be expected there were cameras in those elevators as well and that's how it was known?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I've not been able to understand the skepticism and bewilderment of those who have questioned how he could have possibly brought all of those weapons into the hotel on his own. I keep thinking maybe people have never heard of/seen a luggage cart, and perhaps they don't know that it's very common to have hotel workers assist guests with hauling their luggage to their room. I have absolutely no doubt that this individual perpetrated this on his own, and I don't think it was remotely difficult, either. He had the money, the means and the perfect opportunity. How hard is it to buy guns, haul guns into a hotel in luggage, and fire hundreds of rounds in a matter of minutes? Not very, obviously. It will happen again.

Ten suitcases in two trips would not ring any alarm bells.

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[Deleted member 158085]

Ignorant Question:
Has law enforcement revealed how many of the deceased were killed by gunfire and how many were killed in other ways (trampling, heart attack, etc)?

Given the number of attendees and so few exits, I'd hypothesize that it's likely that some folks were killed in other ways during the sheer panic of folks desperately trying to escape.

I thought someone had come up with some numbers quite a ways back in the thread.

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[Gooddeeds]

-the only way we would know the difference about any elevators SP used throughout his stay is if we were to see actual footage.

-in the interview with Chris Wallace and Steve Wynn is when the first mention of the topic ‘service elevators’ came up, this was before the LE presser. Some have said that was Wynns way of leaking it (based on well known fact that he and Kerkorian have been battling each other for years).


ETA: their battling is a well known fact. Wynn leaking is not a proven fact.

 

[MistyWaters]

-the only way we would know the difference about any elevators SP used throughout his stay is if we were to see actual footage.

-in the interview with Chris Wallace and Steve Wynn is when the first mention of the topic ‘service elevators’ came up, this was before the LE presser. Some have said that was Wynns way of leaking it (based on well known fact that he and Kerkorian have been battling each other for years).


ETA: their battling is a well known fact. Wynn leaking is not a proven fact.

It's not unusual to see people with a bunch of suitcases in a hotel. But I think a hotel guest using a service elevator for employees would cause far greater suspicion than a hotel guest using the regular or VIP elevators so I don't understand the basis of that theory. Best I can figure, it's suggested as a way to sneak in suitcases which there's no reason to do.

 

[vlpate]

This is the best graphic I have seen so far of the entire 32nd floor.

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#1-Who said JC was checking the stairwell door?
#5-So the girl came out after the second round of shots, after SS took cover?

 

[Gooddeeds]

-i have the same questions. this gram is great though i’m a bit confused about the moving locations of JS, SS, the girls door and the way the doors are facing?

 

[Cryptic]

It's not unusual to see people with a bunch of suitcases in a hotel. But I think a hotel guest using a service elevator for employees would cause far greater suspicion than a hotel guest using the regular or VIP elevators.

I had a co worker who had previously worked at a resort in socal that had a certain amount of celebrity guests (at her resort, it was usually previous generation Hollywood or political, but also a few sports and business). That aside, celebrity guests were allowed to use freight elevators and employee corridors as a means to move about the resort more discretely.

Though SP was not a celebrity, he was a small "whale". As a certain number of "whales" are also celebrities, the casino might have just allowed all comped whales the ability to use the freight elevators if they want to. That way the employees don't need to try to figure out which whale was truly a celebrity and which one was not and risk offending one.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

#1-Who said JC was checking the stairwell door?
#5-So the girl came out after the second round of shots, after SS took cover?

I think the whole thing is explained in the interview with Ellen, IIRC.

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