NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[kittythehare]

The 60 minutes programme describes several laptops in the roo,
Dave Newton: I saw a few phones-- laptops, a couple laptops he had in there. A lot of drills-- drill bits, all kinds of tools https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-officers-describe-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/
Were hardrives missing from all or just the one?

 

[kittythehare]

So the alleged disgusting child *advertiser censored* incident occurred in 2014 and Bruce just recently gave a rosy and innocent interview regarding SP. Somehow the media was able to track him down but LAPD couldn't until after he went public. Regardless, I wouldn't believe one word he said.

"The complaint alleges that, between January and August of 2014, (Bruce) Paddock possessed and exchanged more than 600 photos depicting youths under age 18 engaging in or simulating sexual activity. in 2014. At least 10 of the images depicted youths under age 12, the complaint alleges.

Paddock was a transient when the investigation took place and could not be found, police said. He was recently traced to the North Hollywood facility, and photos from the scene show him in a wheelchair during his arrest.

The child *advertiser censored* investigation was launched after evidence was discovered at a business in the city's Sun Valley neighborhood, police said.

"Paddock had been squatting inside the business, and after his eviction the evidence was discovered," police said in a statement."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...hild-*advertiser censored*-charges/798888001/

Its a pretty serious offence..

 

[MistyWaters]

IIRC, his first real estate buy was an apartment building in LA near USC, along with another apartment building.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooter-what-we-know-20171002-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.html

His real estate "partners" were his brother and mother, neither of whom likely had much money back then.

Not saying its certain, but he fits a profile. Accountant, loves to gamble, no viable means of support for many years, non-descript, low profile. Also, those high stakes video poker games sure seem like a handy way to launder cash if you're one of the people who likes to sit there and play them hour after hour, day after day, etc. The average return isn't great, the odds favor you losing some in the best case scenario, so why would someone spend so much of their life putting millions into those machines every year?

You've raised some excellent points. I wonder about money laundering as well.

 

[x_files]

He was fairly methodical in his planning of this massacre. That he destroyed his hard drive beforehand is no surprise, JMO, especially given his narcissistic, authoritarian personality type. He may have been involved in illegal activities. My early hunch,given his accounting/auditing background, was money laundering. Others have speculated about drug dealing. I still don't see him accumulating enough wealth to make big real estate investments without some other source of income than working for the IRS or Northrup Grumman.

It's possible he also felt he was the "greatest" at whatever he did illegally. If he had a disagreement with his bosses or was being phased out, it could have served as a "trigger" that set him on his downward spiral a year ago. If he had been a big deal money launderer or accountant for some illegal enterprise and was forced out due to age, mental decline, drinking, etc. I could see how he would want to go out in a blaze of glory to prove something to the people who rejected him. He would have destroyed any records of illegal activity to protect his family, who could experience fallout for having been business partners with him.

ETA: For clarification, my original hunch was that Paddock was involved in money laundering for some illegal enterprise. US passed laws making money laundering illegal in the US around the time Paddock left regular employment. Some of the more common methods of money laundering (cleaning cash that comes from illegal biz like drug dealing, etc.) is through real estate & business investment and casino gambling, among other things. It would explain travel to foreign countries and possibly bank accounts offshore.

ISIS? No, JMO.

I'd be shocked if he wasn't laundering money. Criminal activity runs in this family. Bruce for example and the dad.

 

[passionflower]

Did they ever say what type of gun he killed himself with?
He has assault automatic weapons?
Would it be hard to use one on yourself?
Just wondering if someone else could of been in the room also.
Just thinking.......

 

[kittythehare]

Did they ever say what type of gun he killed himself with?
He has assault automatic weapons?
Would it be hard to use one on yourself?
Just wondering if someone else could of been in the room also.
Just thinking.......

Yes,
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-ve...-storming-shooter-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/

Joshua Bitsko: There was -- a bloody revolver I think -- nearby. Nearby him that was on the ground consistent with him shootin' himself.

 

[bluesneakers]

Did they ever say what type of gun he killed himself with?
He has assault automatic weapons?
Would it be hard to use one on yourself?
Just wondering if someone else could of been in the room also.
Just thinking.......

He owned a handgun and I think they found it in the room. But I don't know if there's been an official report on the suicide weapon.

eta: Posted at the same time as kitty!

 

[kittythehare]

He owned a handgun and I think they found it in the room. But I don't know if there's been an official report on the suicide weapon.

eta: Posted at the same time as kitty!

Its the little things in life...LOL

 

[Cryptic]

IIRC, his first real estate buy was an apartment building in LA near USC, along with another apartment building.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooter-what-we-know-20171002-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.html
His real estate "partners" were his brother and mother, neither of whom likely had much money back then.

I don't think the article states that this was absolutely his first buy. Rather, the run down 30 unit building was identified as being one of his identified purchases. He made the purchase in 1987, at the age of what -37? That age is young, but well with in the range of possibility.

In addition, other professionals in the real estate industry stated that: "Mr. Paddock was focused and astute when he made deals. “He was a tough negotiator,” Mr. Franks said. “He wanted his price. His terms. He was a very savvy businessman.”

In short, other business people have testified that SP as being skilled. Likewise, his tenants related that he was personally involved in managing his investment.

I don't think SP was laundering money. Rather, he was simply a self made millionaire with a jerk like personality (unless he needed you as a tenant). Years ago, I met a man like that in the construction industry who started with nothing and went on to start a company at a relatively young age.

 

[Betty P]

I don't think the article states that this was absolutely his first buy. Rather, the run down 30 unit building was identified as being one of his identified purchases. He made the purchase in 1987, at the age of what -37? That age is young, it is well with in the range of possibility.

In addition, other professionals in the real estate industry identified SP as: "Mr. Paddock was focused and astute when he made deals. “He was a tough negotiator,” Mr. Franks said. “He wanted his price. His terms. He was a very savvy businessman.”

In short, other business people have testified that SP as being skilled. Likewise, his tenants related that he was personally involved in managing his investment.

I don't think SP was laundering money. Rather, he was a self made millionaire with a jerk like personality (unless he needed you as a tenant). I have met a man like that in the construction industry.

I agree, he was probably very good at the business of real estate investment. If you're laundering someone else's money, you had better be or you could wind up "missing". It's just a theory, as I said. I'm not certain, but I still think there's a possibility. That said, he didn't seem to be turning over the amount of real estate one would expect from money laundering in his later years.

If true, he would have more money than a few million dollars and much of it would be offshore. That's why I wondered about his girlfriend's visit to Hong Kong after she left the US around the time of the LV massacre. IIRC, she traveled from the US to the Phillipines, then took a 2 day trip to Hong Kong before returning to the Phillipines, then the US. Unless there was something special about Hong Kong, her visit of a couple days there could have been to pick up additional funds Paddock had in a bank there. Hong Kong banks have a long history of providing those kinds of services for people who want to hide money for tax evasion purposes.

http://www.scmp.com/business/bankin...e-rules-wont-slow-hong-kongs-money-laundering

Just something to think about, especially after hearing he destroyed his hard drives. Why else would he do that?

 

[Cryptic]

Also, those high stakes video poker games sure seem like a handy way to launder cash if you're one of the people who likes to sit there and play them hour after hour, day after day, etc. The average return isn't great, the odds favor you losing some in the best case scenario, so why would someone spend so much of their life putting millions into those machines every year?

I can fully agree with you that high stakes video poker would be a good way to launder money.

This quote may give some insight as to why SP gambled: "He liked being waited on, seeing shows and eating good food. “He likes it when people go, ‘Oh, Mr. Paddock, can I get you a big bowl of the best shrimp anybody had ever eaten on the planet and a big glass of our best port?” Eric Paddock said. Gambling made him feel important, if not social.

 

[x_files]

I agree, he was probably very good at the business of real estate investment. If you're laundering someone else's money, you had better be or you could wind up "missing". It's just a theory, as I said. I'm not certain, but I still think there's a possibility. That said, he didn't seem to be turning over the amount of real estate one would expect from money laundering in his later years.

If true, he would have more money than a few million dollars and much of it would be offshore. That's why I wondered about his girlfriend's visit to Hong Kong after she left the US around the time of the LV massacre. IIRC, she traveled from the US to the Phillipines, then took a 2 day trip to Hong Kong before returning to the Phillipines, then the US. Unless there was something special about Hong Kong, her visit of a couple days there could have been to pick up additional funds Paddock had in a bank there. Hong Kong banks have a long history of providing those kinds of services for people who want to hide money for tax evasion purposes.

http://www.scmp.com/business/bankin...e-rules-wont-slow-hong-kongs-money-laundering

Just something to think about, especially after hearing he destroyed his hard drives. Why else would he do that?

Possibly involved in other illicit crimes, I wonder how much his gf/caretaker knows about it.

 

[CoolJ]

"Stephen Paddocks brother arrested for child *advertiser censored*" ???

https://youtu.be/xxXMAGgpsfg

 

[Betty P]

Possibly involved in other illicit crimes, I wonder how much his gf/caretaker knows about it.

Maybe some, maybe not much. He strikes me as the kind of guy who knew how to compartmentalize his life. He may have kept any illegal activity secret from her. He seems like someone who didn't trust people and avoided a relationship where he was challenged or questioned. OTOH, she may have known that he had cash stashed in overseas accounts to dodge taxes. She strikes me as the kind of person who knew not to ask any questions.

We haven't heard much from her lately, but assume LE is learning a lot from her. Whatever they're learning, they're not sharing.

 

[Gooddeeds]

Its the little things in life...LOL

-“silver black-handled revolver”

 

[Gooddeeds]

"Stephen Paddocks brother arrested for child *advertiser censored*" ???

https://youtu.be/xxXMAGgpsfg

-Quote from Patrick Paddock about his brother SP-“I don't know how he could stoop to this low point, hurting someone else. It wasn't suicide by cop since he killed himself," he said at the time. "He killed a bunch of people and then killed himself so he didn't have to face whatever it was."

-what does “suicide by cop” even mean?

 

[kittythehare]

-Quote from Patrick Paddock about his brother SP-“I don't know how he could stoop to this low point, hurting someone else. It wasn't suicide by cop since he killed himself," he said at the time. "He killed a bunch of people and then killed himself so he didn't have to face whatever it was."

-what does “suicide by cop” even mean?

Its a common term used to denote situations where perpetrators commit a crime that is likely to be countered by armed police/military whereby the perpetrator will be outnumbered and will surely die.

 

[bears10]

-Quote from Patrick Paddock about his brother SP-“I don't know how he could stoop to this low point, hurting someone else. It wasn't suicide by cop since he killed himself," he said at the time. "He killed a bunch of people and then killed himself so he didn't have to face whatever it was."

-what does “suicide by cop” even mean?

Suicide by cop is when you purposely do something to provoke the police to shoot and kill you so you don’t have to commit suicide in the dictionary definition way.

 

[bluesneakers]

-Quote from Patrick Paddock about his brother SP-“I don't know how he could stoop to this low point, hurting someone else. It wasn't suicide by cop since he killed himself," he said at the time. "He killed a bunch of people and then killed himself so he didn't have to face whatever it was."

-what does “suicide by cop” even mean?

There are two broad categories of "suicide by cop". The first is when someone has committed a crime and is being pursued by the police and decides that they would rather die than be arrested. These people may not otherwise be suicidal but may simply decide that life is not worth living if they are incarcerated and thus will provoke police to kill them. The second version involves people who are already contemplating suicide and who decide that provoking law enforcement into killing them is the best way to act on their desires. These individuals may commit a crime with the specific intention of provoking a law enforcement response.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop

 

[ohreally]

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I don't think he won one of the really big ones, but one big enough to start his investing.

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