NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

[IQuestion]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bruce-paddock-20171025-htmlstory.html
uments filed Tuesday in Los Angeles County Superior Court outlined 20 criminal charges against Paddock, all related to possession of child *advertiser censored* or the sexual exploitation of a child. The felony complaint for arrest warrant said that Paddock stands accused of having more than 600 images of child or youth *advertiser censored*, including 10 or more images showing a child younger than 12.

Josh Rubenstein, an LAPD spokesman, said Paddock's arrest was the result of an independent investigation by the LAPD, and not related to the deadly shooting rampage in Las Vegas.

KTH From same article you linked.
" Paddock was annoyed that his brother's monstrous crime had brought attention to his own misdeeds, which he described as "minor." He had to scramble to pay a fine after it was reported that there was an active warrant for his arrest from a vandalism case in which he had failed to perform community service.

"I'm not proud of it," he said. "But I never went to prison." "
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...htmlstory.html
Hmmm, I think Bruce's "winning streak" just came to an end.

 

[KaaBoom]

Las Vegas Shooter's hard drive missing... Did he know his brother was under investigation before he opened fire on innocent people?

"The estranged brother of*Las Vegas*gunman Stephen Paddock was arrested Wednesday on child *advertiser censored* charges stemming from an investigation that predates the massacre."


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ody-child-*advertiser censored*-probe-n811461

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No surprise. A family with a 70 year history of criminal activity.

 

[Spice]

So brother Bruce is charged with possession of child *advertiser censored*. It also appears from this article that this brother was inpatient psych during or shortly after the shooting as he told another patient that he was "shocked by it". This would make sense to me as in the very beginning it was reported that his second brother "could not be located".

IMO, I always thought that we would find a history of mental illness all over this family. Paddock's father, Paddock himself, this brother and the brother that gave those spectacularly bizarre interviews. MOO


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...dvertiser censored*-charges-article-1.3587805

 

[enelram]

Las Vegas Shooter's hard drive missing... Did he know his brother was under investigation before he opened fire on innocent people?

"The estranged brother of*Las Vegas*gunman Stephen Paddock was arrested Wednesday on child *advertiser censored* charges stemming from an investigation that predates the massacre."


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ody-child-*advertiser censored*-probe-n811461

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Interesting that brother Bruce said after reaching his elderly mother that she was yelling at him not to talk to anyone.
does this mean the family is not being co-operative telling about Stephen's history?

 

[kittythehare]

"sources told ABC News"

Is this a reliable source?

We dont know but I'm always sceptical of media and their no-name sources to inside information otherwise only known within the investigation.

Not a major fan, myself!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5017269/Las-Vegas-shooter-s-laptop-missing-hard-drive.html same source-ABC

http://mb.ntd.tv/2017/10/25/las-vegas-killers-laptop-missing-hard-drive/ same source ABC..
http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/vegas-killers-laptop-removed-hard-drive-before-suicide/ ditto, they have diagnosed him as a madman..

ITheres reams of links.. all from ABC unnamed source.
If this is not confirmed, there will be hell to pay.

 

[Webbie16]

How the heck did Bruce pay for a nursing home? They are not cheap!

 

[kittythehare]

http://ktla.com/2017/10/25/brother-...vertiser censored*-investigation-source-says/

the squatting explained..
Paddock brought a gasoline canister up to the roof of the shop and threatened to burn it down, Cruz said.“He told me he was going to kill me,” Cruz said.
Eventually, employees were able to get a restraining order and run Paddock off, Cruz said.

 

[Webbie16]

For those trying to dig a bit deeper into his family roots here is SPs father's Find A Grave memorial. If you click on the parent links you will see his mother did not mention him in her obituary. https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=1055745

 

[Betty P]

He must have erased, destroyed it prior to the shooting. how does a dead man hide a harddrive?

He was fairly methodical in his planning of this massacre. That he destroyed his hard drive beforehand is no surprise, JMO, especially given his narcissistic, authoritarian personality type. He may have been involved in illegal activities. My early hunch,given his accounting/auditing background, was money laundering. Others have speculated about drug dealing. I still don't see him accumulating enough wealth to make big real estate investments without some other source of income than working for the IRS or Northrup Grumman.

It's possible he also felt he was the "greatest" at whatever he did illegally. If he had a disagreement with his bosses or was being phased out, it could have served as a "trigger" that set him on his downward spiral a year ago. If he had been a big deal money launderer or accountant for some illegal enterprise and was forced out due to age, mental decline, drinking, etc. I could see how he would want to go out in a blaze of glory to prove something to the people who rejected him. He would have destroyed any records of illegal activity to protect his family, who could experience fallout for having been business partners with him.

ETA: For clarification, my original hunch was that Paddock was involved in money laundering for some illegal enterprise. US passed laws making money laundering illegal in the US around the time Paddock left regular employment. Some of the more common methods of money laundering (cleaning cash that comes from illegal biz like drug dealing, etc.) is through real estate & business investment and casino gambling, among other things. It would explain travel to foreign countries and possibly bank accounts offshore.

ISIS? No, JMO.

 

[enelram]

How the heck did Bruce pay for a nursing home? They are not cheap!

Maybe Medicaid. Medical care for low income or indigent. Looks like he was going for surgery for spinal stenosis according to one of articles posted.

 

[ohreally]

I do question unnamed sources. If it is true, my guess is this may be the reason why law enforcement has not revealed where all he had been in the days leading up to the shooting. If it had been released that the hardrive was missing and he had been to named locations many people would be out looking in those places for the hard drive. Some with good intents and some with not so good of intents.
Makes me feel like we will never know the reason now. I hope I'm wrong.
Is Bruce the brother that he had not communicated with in over ten years?

 

[enelram]

I do question unnamed sources. If it is true, my guess is this may be the reason why law enforcement has not revealed where all he had been in the days leading up to the shooting. If it had been released that the hardrive was missing and he had been to named locations many people would be out looking in those places for the hard drive. Some with good intents and some with not so good of intents.
Makes me feel like we will never know the reason now. I hope I'm wrong.
Is Bruce the brother that he had not communicated with in over ten years?

Yes, according to Bruce - 10 yrs, saw an earlier article that said 10-20 yrs.

 

[sds71]

The mother of a Las Vegas police officer killed during the mass shooting on Route 91 suffered a heart attack hours after her son’s funeral, and died two days later.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/25/slain-vegas-cops-mom-dies-of-broken-heart-after-sons-funeral/

 

[kittythehare]

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/bruce-paddock-child-*advertiser censored*-stephen-brother/

[FONT=&quot]“I don’t know how he could stoop to this low point, hurting someone else,” he told NBC News during an interview. “It wasn’t suicide by cop since he killed himself. He killed a bunch of people and then killed himself so he didn’t have to face whatever it was.”

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]A search of Bruce’s criminal record shows crimes dating back to the 1980s. Past convictions include vandalism, making criminal threats, theft and driving on a suspended license.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Most recently, Bruce had spoken out about where his brother’s remains would go, and he told media members that he reached out to the Nevada Coroner’s Office to see if he’d be able to claim them.

this might be relevant to sp choice of location

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]rchived newspaper [/FONT]reports[FONT=&quot] that are available online state that Patrick Paddock robbed three banks in Phoenix in the early 1960s. The crime spree apparently carried through to Las Vegas, where he was arrested. A description of his car had been given to police following one of his robberies which is what led cops to Vegas. During his arrest, an officer fired at Patrick’s car, shattering the windshield.[/FONT]

 

[Cryptic]

when someone is interviewed, it's information they voluntarily reveal that is often far more indicative of their inner true character than answers to direct questions.

What I mean by that - considering the issue involved a lawsuit filed by SP because he slipped and fell on water on the floor, it'd be highly unusual that he was asked how much time or how well he did playing video poker, let alone how much he won or lost.

The "slip and fall" at a casino lawsuit is the oldest trick in the 'Vegas litigator's hand book. As the casinos have been facing these law suits for decades, they have gotten very good at defending themselves (SP's lawsuit was dismissed).

SP was probably aware in general terms that he was facing long odds. In addition, SP did not need the probably low settlement should one ever be offered. My guess is that his off subject boasts about his gambling "accomplishments" do reflect a sublimal message.

That message could be: I, SP, am a "whale" level gambler. If the Cosmopolitan (also a luxury casino) treated me with the respect I deserve, they would not be facing this law suit now. They, however, failed to do so. Now, the "whale" wants his comps another way.

 

[Cryptic]

I still don't see him accumulating enough wealth to make big real estate investments without some other source of income than working for the IRS or Northrup Grumman. He may have been involved in illegal activities. My early hunch,given his accounting/auditing background, was money laundering.

Please bear in mind that not only are some wealthy people entirely self made, but like his "whale" status that he was so fond of, SP's wealth and level of real estate investing are relative. By any definition, SP was wealthy. He was, however, not a tycoon.

Rather SP apparently built up to the point where he was able to make good individual real estate investments in the 1-2 million dollar range and profited accordingly. He also paid cash for a 360K home. My guess is that at any given time, his net worth was probably between two and four million dollars.

Then factor in that SP was not only intelligent, but had experience as an accountant and as a tax auditor. He may well have started gleaning investment tips early on.

 

[Betty P]

Please bear in mind that not only are some wealthy people entirely self made, but like his "whale" status that he was so fond of, SP's wealth and level of real estate investing are relative. By any definition, SP was wealthy. He was, however, not a tycoon.

Rather SP apparently built up to the point where he was able to make good individual real estate investments in the 1-2 million dollar range and profited accordingly. He also paid cash for a 360K home. My guess is that at any given time, his net worth was probably between two and four million dollars.

Then factor in that SP was not only intelligent, but had experience as an accountant and as a tax auditor. He may well have started gleaning investment tips early on.

I understand that, but many of us here have questioned his first big leap into real estate investing. It seemed a stretch to go from working as a government accountant to buying an entire apartment building or two.

I'm not married to my theory about money laundering, just think it's possible. A few other suggestions offered here seem plausible, too, regarding other illegal means of making money on the side.

 

[Cryptic]

I understand that, but many of us here have questioned his first big leap into real estate investing. It seemed a stretch to go from working as a government accountant to buying an entire apartment building or two.

A duplex, triplex, or say a quadplex can be an apartment complex. Owning relatively large apartment complexes of apparently came later in life. Even then, the key word may well be "relatively".

 

[Betty P]

A duplex, triplex, or say a quadplex can be an apartment complex. Owning relatively large apartment complexes of apparently came later in life. Even then, the key word may well by "relatively".

IIRC, his first real estate buy was an apartment building in LA near USC, along with another apartment building.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooter-what-we-know-20171002-story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/07/us/stephen-paddock-vegas.html

His real estate "partners" were his brother and mother, neither of whom likely had much money back then.

Not saying its certain, but he fits a profile. Accountant, loves to gamble, no viable means of support for many years, non-descript, low profile. Also, those high stakes video poker games sure seem like a handy way to launder cash if you're one of the people who likes to sit there and play them hour after hour, day after day, etc. The average return isn't great, the odds favor you losing some in the best case scenario, so why would someone spend so much of their life putting millions into those machines every year?

 

[MistyWaters]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bruce-paddock-20171025-htmlstory.html
uments filed Tuesday in Los Angeles County Superior Court outlined 20 criminal charges against Paddock, all related to possession of child *advertiser censored* or the sexual exploitation of a child. The felony complaint for arrest warrant said that Paddock stands accused of having more than 600 images of child or youth *advertiser censored*, including 10 or more images showing a child younger than 12.

Josh Rubenstein, an LAPD spokesman, said Paddock's arrest was the result of an independent investigation by the LAPD, and not related to the deadly shooting rampage in Las Vegas.

So the alleged disgusting child *advertiser censored* incident occurred in 2014 and Bruce just recently gave a rosy and innocent interview regarding SP. Somehow the media was able to track him down but LAPD couldn't until after he went public. Regardless, I wouldn't believe one word he said.

"The complaint alleges that, between January and August of 2014, (Bruce) Paddock possessed and exchanged more than 600 photos depicting youths under age 18 engaging in or simulating sexual activity. in 2014. At least 10 of the images depicted youths under age 12, the complaint alleges.

Paddock was a transient when the investigation took place and could not be found, police said. He was recently traced to the North Hollywood facility, and photos from the scene show him in a wheelchair during his arrest.

The child *advertiser censored* investigation was launched after evidence was discovered at a business in the city's Sun Valley neighborhood, police said.

"Paddock had been squatting inside the business, and after his eviction the evidence was discovered," police said in a statement."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...hild-*advertiser censored*-charges/798888001/