NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #7

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Also, he paid top dollar for the weapons, so he would be making little profit for all his trouble.

As far as i know he purchased his weapons legally and in his own name, didn't he? That wouldn't be a good idea if he is a gun dealer wanting to later sell those weapons to less than reputable people.
 
Not if he's illegally selling to an illegal outlet. Lots of foreign crime entities seek out these type semi-automatics.
there could potentially be HUGE markup.
I also think MD knows more than she's telling.

In a hotel where there are cameras everywhere? What evidence is there that he was selling guns out of a suite on the 32nd floor of a popular Las Vegas hotel during the week of a concert attended by 20,000 people?
 
That LE named her a POI once again is also interesting. It may mean they learned she was not forthcoming. In her media disclosure that she thought the $100k might be because they'd broken up suggests the relationship was not solid. Nothing's been said about communication between the two after she left on Sept 15th.

That there are photos of SP with MD visiting her family in the Phillipines in 2013 but he didn't go with her during this trip, instead he plants himself in LV casinos.

I'm not sure that she had the power to control his actions but I'm thinking of other broken relationships where a mentally unhinged partner does all sorts of utterly vindictive acts including burning houses to murdering family members. I'm curious is MD was an avid Jason Andean fan. Probably has no connection but his fans are well known as the Aldean Army.

Thats really interesting... could swing narrative back to the one insane deranged crazy man..its well worth consideration.. has a 'feel' to it..
we would have had much better chance of receiving more news of discoveries had the FBI not been assigned to it..
 
Shocker!

........department is not planning on holding any future press conferences,

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/17/las-vegas-guard-jesus-campos-not-missing-person-police-say-hes-victim.html


This is really not shocking. I don't think they have found any information about SP to remotely show his motive for doing these mass shootings so there is no additional information to report by doing another PC.

I dont expect them to ever find a reason to explain his motive for doing so.

I don't think they have found any illegal dealings or other criminal activity in his background either before he did these mass shootings.

The motive will remain unknown and only in the mind of the dead murderer long silenced.

People don't even have to have a motive other than a motive to want to shoot innocent others in mass. That IS the motive imo, just like many others who have killed for the thrill of it and to prove to themselves they could do it.

Imo, LE will never be able to uncover anything to explain why SP did what he did.

imo
 
As far as i know he purchased his weapons legally and in his own name, didn't he? That wouldn't be a good idea if he is a gun dealer wanting to later sell those weapons to less than reputable people.

How hard would it be to remove serial numbers?
Just reading up on illicit arms sales in Australia, Phillipines and Mexico, Maylasia. Seems australians pay up to 3 times purchase price on semiautomatic weapons.
Wonder what real purpose for visit of the Australian fellow who went to SP's home? Can't picture SP being hospitable.
He must have been MD's contact.
What did MD's ex-husband do for a living? He was from Australia, right?
 
From the previous thread:
Remember, he was spraying hundreds of bullets around the area of the tank. He may have just gotten lucky.​

The tanks were well east of the concert venue. It doesn't make sense for him to have been aiming at the concert from MB and having strayed that far off from the venue, to have accidentally impacted the tanks only twice. I'm not even sure the physics would work out there. If he was aiming low at a crowd 400m away and spraying, he wouldn't have been shooting high 700m away.

:moo:

Maybe his faith in his own ability to shoot the tanks was grandiose and impossible but he still tried. Maybe he tried, didn't succeed, and then decided to just focus on the crowd.

I don't think his original plan was possible from the outset. He was grandiose, he was playing "God"imo. It is clear that he intended much much more damage and terror (The tanks, hence the incendiary rounds, and the explosive materials and guns in his car), he attempted (according to LE) but was not able to blow up the tanks, he also was not able to escape to his car. So he turned his attention to what was easiest about his plan. Shooting innocent people in the crowd, who were sitting ducks, and then he killed himself.
 
That LE named her a POI once again is also interesting. It may mean they learned she was not forthcoming. In her media disclosure that she thought the $100k might be because they'd broken up suggests the relationship was not solid. Nothing's been said about communication between the two after she left on Sept 15th.

That there are photos of SP with MD visiting her family in the Phillipines in 2013 but he didn't go with her during this trip, instead he plants himself in LV casinos.

I'm not sure that she had the power to control his actions but I'm thinking of other broken relationships where a mentally unhinged partner does all sorts of utterly vindictive acts including burning houses to murdering family members. I'm curious is MD was an avid Jason Andean fan. Probably has no connection but his fans are well known as the Aldean Army.

Agreed Misty. Also, didn't MD originally say "I thought he was breaking up with me" (paraphrasing) by buying her an unexpected random ticket to The Philippines.

If their relationship was on good terms and not falling apart, why would she assume that? Why wouldn't she assume, Oh, my bf is really thoughtful and bought me a ticket to see my family. But that is not what she thought at all. Why? She seems to have believed that he was breaking up with her and "sending" her away.

Doesn't sound like a solid relationship to me. This could have been a stressor imo.
 
I don't think a bullet proof vest makes your face fatter. His face looks drawn in from the "awards" night photo. Maybe he is a boxer or UFC fighter and was dieting down to make weight for a fight the night he was given the award. I dunno. There are discrepancies at every turn in this case.
 
How hard would it be to remove serial numbers?
Just reading up on illicit arms sales in Australia, Phillipines and Mexico, Maylasia. Seems australians pay up to 3 times purchase price on semiautomatic weapons.
Wonder what real purpose for visit of the Australian fellow who went to SP's home? Can't picture SP being hospitable.
He must have been MD's contact.
What did MD's ex-husband do for a living? He was from Australia, right?

The Australian man is MDs sister ex. Also, it would be quite a risk for someone to traffic weapons with the serial numbers scratched off through customs. JMO.
 
FBI doesn't always share that kind of information until they've finished their investigation or unless they need help from the public. They're in charge of this part of the investigation per last PC.

Two more things:

1. JC said when he called security the second time to tell them there was gunfire on the floor, he didn't tell them he was wounded as he wanted to get off the radio quickly so others could use the frequency. I wonder if the people at security didn't take him seriously about gunfire and delayed calling 911.

2. If JC said he heard the drilling noise while in the area next to the fire door, MGM may try to pin him with liability by saying he should have recognized it was gunfire. JMO, that would be wrong, but not surprising for a big corporation trying to save $$. That's why JC's union needs to have his back (and they do) to prevent the employer from throwing him under the bus. JC needs legal representation and I hope he's getting it from the union.

Easy to see the initial confusion over the timeline due to the noises that sounded like drilling, etc. The part left out of this interview is the communications after JC reported shooting on the floor. Clark Co sheriff said JC called security on the radio and on his cell phone. JMO, JC called them a second time on his cell to see why they hadn't called 911 or to clarify that he'd been shot. He didn't want to use up the radio frequency so others could communicate.

There's probably a dispute between JC, LE and MGM over this part and is why we haven't heard a 911 call yet. It probably went out later than it should have. Hotel security probably didn't believe JC when he reported gunfire or didn't think it was serious enough to call LE (crazy, but possible). MGM is pressuring LE and JC to support whatever scenario they're trying to come up with to explain the delay. The CT about multiple shooters, etc. also helps MGM because it serves to confuse the public and muddy the waters when they get to court for the civil lawsuits.

ETA: All JMO

BBM

Agreed! It also speaks to the fact that our minds play tricks on us. Just like the victims at the concert thought they were hearing fireworks. JC thought he was initially hearing drilling. The maintenance guy thought he was hearing a jackhammer. We immediately try to make sense of something that doesn't make sense. Like the sounds of gunfire and war in a hotel hallway...
 
BBM

Agreed! It also speaks to the fact that our minds play tricks on us. Just like the victims at the concert thought they were hearing fireworks. JC thought he was initially hearing drilling. The maintenance guy thought he was hearing a jackhammer. We immediately try to make sense of something that doesn't make sense. Like the sounds of gunfire and war in a hotel hallway...

A bit of a coincidence though that he says he "heard" drilling that was actually gunfire. And then come to find out the reports that SP actually was drilling and had multiple tools for drilling.
 
Agreed Misty. Also, didn't MD originally say "I thought he was breaking up with me" (paraphrasing) by buying her an unexpected random ticket to The Philippines.

If their relationship was on good terms and not falling apart, why would she assume that? Why wouldn't she assume, Oh, my bf is really thoughtful and bought me a ticket to see my family. But that is not what she thought at all. Why? She seems to have believed that he was breaking up with her and "sending" her away.

Doesn't sound like a solid relationship to me. This could have been a stressor imo.

My understanding was that she thought he was breaking up with her when she received the $100,000 with the suggestion she buy a house in the Philippines.
I did not read that the 'unexpected' holiday was received as anything more than a much loved 'surprise'
 
http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html

Link to all 3 pictures of JC receiving his Union Hero award.

Remember that the camera adds ten pounds on television. Remember that camera angles matter when someone is taking a picture. I have seen photos of me where I look heavier, in the face, and body, than I actually am in person. I think we all know that. Also, maybe he has gained weight in the past 2 or 3 weeks? Maybe he has been emotionally eating while not working and healing, all while being stalked by LL. What is the insinuation about the photo and the weight gain?

Is the insinuation that the Union photos are fake?
 
http://www.spfpa.org/news/spfpa-strong-honoring-our-heros.html

Link to all 3 pictures of JC receiving his Union Hero award.

Remember that the camera adds ten pounds on television. Remember that camera angles matter when someone is taking a picture. I have seen photos of me where I look heavier, in the face, and body, than I actually am in person. I think we all know that. Also, maybe he has gained weight in the past 2 or 3 weeks? Maybe he has been emotionally eating while not working and healing, all while being stalked by LL. What is the insinuation about the photo and the weight gain?

Is the insinuation that the Union photos are fake?

I'm not sure they would stand up to a photo match. his left eyebrow is highly arched in the tv photo but not even slightly in the others..
 
I'm not sure they would stand up to a photo match. his left eyebrow is highly arched in the tv photo but not even slightly in the others..

What is the insinuation /suspicion about though? He appears thinner three weeks ago in digital photos. He appears heavier 3 weeks later in front of a television camera.
 
What is the insinuation /suspicion about though? He appears thinner three weeks ago in digital photos. He appears heavier 3 weeks later in front of a television camera.
I dont know there is any particular insinuation.. to my eyes it looks like a different person in the tv photo, possibly a bodyguard or a stand in..(thats just my thoughts)
The weight could well be angle or tv as you just said.. or indeed a bullet proof vest or , or, or.. anything at all, at this stage..
 
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