NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #8

[DaisyChains]

Watching that video hurts my heart. I have been avoiding footage of it all since it happened. Those poor people had no clue where the shots were coming from. Some did, but so many looked confused. I hate seeing that parent and their child running TOWARD the stage during the gunfire instead of away. I wish Paddock wouldn't have off'd himself to we could watch his face as a judge condemned him to life in prison. What a sorry .

 

[MistyWaters]

The road to madness..
I think a lot of it comes down to whether LE followed prescribed protocols..ditto MB.. I doubt the outcome would have been better.. but they're all running for cover and its like an insult to the victims..
It would have been very simple to try getting it right.. dont give info that you may have to retract later.. Inexperience is possibly partly to blame but they have all kinds of resources available to them. They are putting themselves before the victims, that shows a lack of compassion.
But, its not just us.. the conversation is the same wherever its being discussed..
I don't like it one bit..

Any ideas why none of the victims have included LVMPD in any of the lawsuits currently filed?

 

[1&2&3]

I hadn't seen that one. It is far more graphic than the first one that isn't as up close.
However it still doesn't appear he "blew his head off" so I'm thinking there is still plenty of brain matter.

MsFacetious, I agree with you in this is not the original photo I saw either. As you have discussed the photo you saw, I wondered if it was the same one I'd seen.

GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION

The photo I saw was taken from a side angle. the blood looked like it was coming out of his mouth only running to the left side. I questioned myself as to how did he shoot himself in the head?! The blood was clearly not above the bottom of his nostrils, if that high. Blood was bright red as if it just happened.

The photo was taken showing what I just described with shell casings lying around his head, and a rifle clearly across his left leg. There was a picture of a hand weapon too but can't recall the position of it.

It was not long after I saw this picture, I believe it was on here when WS mods said that pictures just released were being taken down. They were not on WS, just links? I have not seen the picture in question since. If located, please send me a copy.

 

[kittythehare]

Any ideas why none of the victims have included LVMPD in any of the lawsuits currently filed?

Nope. Have not studied the lawsuits . And I doubt I will.

 

[CARIIS]

-Agree!!!
-So many who-what-where!!!

-I am thankful though that this has gotten more attention. It’s downright scary to think it wasn’t registering, sounding off bells...

-IMO sheriff was banning pressers with a motive. The lessening of questions he had to dance around. Once you mess up with a lie, the more difficult it becomes when you have to maintain a narrative that lines up. It hasn’t from the beginning.

-At this point it needs a do-over. Who would investigate ‘the investigation’?

I really dont think they can do a do over. The FBI has been controlling since like the second presser

Our Sheriff has been IMO ordered to just shut up!!

We will feed them breadcrumbs from time to time ( the fbi would have been the one the forensic computer drive analysis the FBI would know a hard drive is missing by that after noon!!

look at all the forensic computer data we got in NY in about 11 hours or so

it has to remain quiet unless there is a leak I think this is pretty much it

I do think they will do some speculative brain nonsense-- it might get a dash of coverage (depending on what is happening with Washington) and will go in the folklore dept that he might (just might maybe a little tiny bit tiny bit) have some brain stuff -- so they can toss that into the false motivation category.

It took me a week to slowly move into this is just nonsense -- Tricias guest on her podcast was the one that got Janet Air out .

Then it was like holy sh$t this is really really big stuff has anyone ever ever seen a stalker FBI dude who said three words the entire time ?

That is not a team investigation IMO that is a head trip -- he never said one word after that one time -- just scary stuff all the way around cause they truly can do what they want

moo

 

[MsFacetious]

Somewhere I read the suggestion that everyone attending concerts be required to hold a first-aid certificate in order to offer assistance to others, in the event of mass casualties.

I suppose one alternative to casinos and hotels and concerts is camping.

MsFacetious, I agree with you in this is not the original photo I saw either. As you have discussed the photo you saw, I wondered if it was the same one I'd seen.

GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION

The photo I saw was taken from a side angle. the blood looked like it was coming out of his mouth only running to the left side. I questioned myself as to how did he shoot himself in the head?! The blood was clearly not above the bottom of his nostrils, if that high. Blood was bright red as if it just happened.

The photo was taken showing what I just described with shell casings lying around his head, and a rifle clearly across his left leg. There was a picture of a hand weapon too but can't recall the position of it.

It was not long after I saw this picture, I believe it was on here when WS mods said that pictures just released were being taken down. They were not on WS, just links? I have not seen the picture in question since. If located, please send me a copy.

I just tried to find it and had no luck either. I don't understand that unless it wasn't authentic?
Yet I thought they came out and said it was... so I have no idea.
I do believe he was laying flatter in that photo and you couldn't see as much blood since it was from higher up.
I remember being surprised at how non graphic it was, considering the cause of death.

 

[Elley Mae]

At this link you can see the rifle at his left leg.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...tephen-paddock-planned-more-attacks-ft8q2dr7f

At this link you can see a rifle under him.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4593743/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-shooter-guns-money/

I remember the photo/image you refer to. Iirc a pistol was on the floorabove his head.

MsFacetious, I agree with you in this is not the original photo I saw either. As you have discussed the photo you saw, I wondered if it was the same one I'd seen.

GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION

The photo I saw was taken from a side angle. the blood looked like it was coming out of his mouth only running to the left side. I questioned myself as to how did he shoot himself in the head?! The blood was clearly not above the bottom of his nostrils, if that high. Blood was bright red as if it just happened.

The photo was taken showing what I just described with shell casings lying around his head, and a rifle clearly across his left leg. There was a picture of a hand weapon too but can't recall the position of it.

It was not long after I saw this picture, I believe it was on here when WS mods said that pictures just released were being taken down. They were not on WS, just links? I have not seen the picture in question since. If located, please send me a copy.

 

[PainExpress]

Politicians and sheriffs get elected by votes, not donations.

LOL!

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[Cryptic]

Any ideas why none of the victims have included LVMPD in any of the lawsuits currently filed?

Litigation attorneys learn the golden rule of litigation very early on: Never sue anybody who does not have any money.

The Las Vegas police department has a lot of money, but they also have sovereign immunity. This makes getting to that money very difficult (though not impossible as government bodies can and do agree to settlements).

At the end of the day, MGM and the concert holder are easier, though still difficult, lawsuit targets.

 

[MistyWaters]

Litigation attorneys learn the golden rule of litigation very early on: Never sue anybody who does not have any money.

The Las Vegas police department has a lot of money, but they also have sovereign immunity. This makes getting to that money very difficult (though not impossible as government bodies can and do agree to settlements).

At the end of the day, MGM and the concert holder are easier, though still difficult, lawsuit targets.

Yes perhaps it's that. Or it could be that in highly chaotic situations such as this, it's easy to look back and criticize LE when applying information later learned. There were no shooters on other floors, only one in the suite and the hotel wasn't rigged with bombs or explosives.

But nobody knew that at the time.

 

[CARIIS]

I just tried to find it and had no luck either. I don't understand that unless it wasn't authentic?
Yet I thought they came out and said it was... so I have no idea.
I do believe he was laying flatter in that photo and you couldn't see as much blood since it was from higher up.
I remember being surprised at how non graphic it was, considering the cause of death.

It sure is all calm and serene for an alleged violent act there was no brain material behind the head after a bullet allegedly roared through it ??

 

[MistyWaters]

my dear

this is one of the videos I asked you to watch a long time ago!! THe 45 sec one --You can see one of the guys dressed up as a cop get in the shooting postion squat extend his hand with gun in it and you can see the muzzle flash

its on your left -- but watch the crowd behavior -- behind the fake cop ( I think they were dressed as cops in those glow in dark yellow vests - real cops where glow in the drak bright yellow school crossing jackets while a person is shooting people !!

lower left around 8 secs -- and then let it continue you can actually see his face as he calmly strolls about after shooting at people

in the really gross video where he is shooting is where the bodies were clustered stage left - that is where he was shooting at ground level

that is a shooting squat both his arm go up and you can see a gun in his hand for a second

but my give away was the crowd there is a huge gap of people not running toward him they see the gun in his hand aiming at them pay attn to crowd behavior there is no reason why the a fleeing crowd would split like that unless they either see or hear shots from that direction which is totally the opposite direction from the hotel

after the shot guy in the white hat you see him -- he is standing up and shots are still coming for a second

then notice crowd behavior after he is gone they all totally run in the direction he used to be at -- that is the way out -- there is no reason for that total gap in crowd in front of him before he squats and raises his gun

at around 25 the crowd totally fills the gap and uses that path as escape

there is another telling video one person is much further back on the left -- it is the only one I have seen where gun shots start on the song before the one where all heck breaks out - and the people in the back start fleeing much earlier than the first big volley -- the shots are behind them

moo

That's a very odd video. Trying to imagine the person taking it, standing absolutely still amidst all the pandemonium, holding a cellphone. Then apparently shots are fired into the crowd immediately to their left by who appears to be one of two cop-like ground shooters but the person holding the cellphone does not alter the direction of the focus whatsoever. Then something jars their hand for a couple of moments. But their focus goes right back to the panicked crowd and later one of the apparent shooters calmly walks in front of them.

I agree, on the surface the video is worthy of raising questions. But how did the video enter the public realm, who was responsible for capturing it and has it been authenticated and legitimized?

Or is it one that has anonymously wormed its way into social media and nobody knows where it came from? Much like still photos can be altered, it's possible for anyone with basic skills and malicious intent to overlay images into the still frames of a video, in addition to altering sounds.

 

[CARIIS]

my dear

this is one of the videos I asked you to watch a long time ago!! THe 45 sec one --You can see one of the guys dressed up as a cop get in the shooting postion squat extend his hand with gun in it and you can see the muzzle flash

its on your left -- but watch the crowd behavior -- behind the fake cop ( I think they were dressed as cops in those glow in dark yellow vests - real cops where glow in the drak bright yellow school crossing jackets while a person is shooting people !!

lower left around 8 secs -- and then let it continue you can actually see his face as he calmly strolls about after shooting at people

in the really gross video where he is shooting is where the bodies were clustered stage left - that is where he was shooting at ground level

that is a shooting squat both his arm go up and you can see a gun in his hand for a second

but my give away was the crowd there is a huge gap of people not running toward him they see the gun in his hand aiming at them pay attn to crowd behavior there is no reason why the a fleeing crowd would split like that unless they either see or hear shots from that direction which is totally the opposite direction from the hotel

after the shot guy in the white hat you see him -- he is standing up and shots are still coming for a second

then notice crowd behavior after he is gone they all totally run in the direction he used to be at -- that is the way out -- there is no reason for that total gap in crowd in front of him before he squats and raises his gun

at around 25 the crowd totally fills the gap and uses that path as escape

there is another telling video one person is much further back on the left -- it is the only one I have seen where gun shots start on the song before the one where all heck breaks out - and the people in the back start fleeing much earlier than the first big volley -- the shots are behind them



moo

What are your opinions about above post??

 

[Deleted member 158085]

my dear

this is one of the videos I asked you to watch a long time ago!! THe 45 sec one --You can see one of the guys dressed up as a cop get in the shooting postion squat extend his hand with gun in it and you can see the muzzle flash

its on your left -- but watch the crowd behavior -- behind the fake cop ( I think they were dressed as cops in those glow in dark yellow vests - real cops where glow in the drak bright yellow school crossing jackets while a person is shooting people !!

lower left around 8 secs -- and then let it continue you can actually see his face as he calmly strolls about after shooting at people

in the really gross video where he is shooting is where the bodies were clustered stage left - that is where he was shooting at ground level

that is a shooting squat both his arm go up and you can see a gun in his hand for a second

but my give away was the crowd there is a huge gap of people not running toward him they see the gun in his hand aiming at them pay attn to crowd behavior there is no reason why the a fleeing crowd would split like that unless they either see or hear shots from that direction which is totally the opposite direction from the hotel

after the shot guy in the white hat you see him -- he is standing up and shots are still coming for a second

then notice crowd behavior after he is gone they all totally run in the direction he used to be at -- that is the way out -- there is no reason for that total gap in crowd in front of him before he squats and raises his gun

at around 25 the crowd totally fills the gap and uses that path as escape

there is another telling video one person is much further back on the left -- it is the only one I have seen where gun shots start on the song before the one where all heck breaks out - and the people in the back start fleeing much earlier than the first big volley -- the shots are behind them

moo

I'm honestly not seeing what you are seeing. The flash you are seeing looks like all the other strobing lights I am seeing from time to time in the video (both before and after the 8 second mark). I'm seeing the two cops squat when a volley of shots from Paddock goes off again, in order to avoid being hit and readying themselves to fire if necessary, as any cop would. And I am not seeing a cop acying "calm" as he walks away. He doesn't look calm to me at all.

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[MistyWaters]

I'm honestly not seeing what you are seeing. The flash you are seeing looks like all the other strobing lights I am seeing from time to time in the video (both before and after the 8 second mark). I'm seeing the two cops squat when a volley of shots from Paddock goes off again, in order to avoid being hit and readying themselves to fire if necessary, as any cop would. And I am not seeing a cop acying "calm" as he walks away. He doesn't look calm to me at all.

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It is an interesting video, what the eye sees. You're right, the existence of the strobe lights somewhat appearing to be gunfire was debunked early on.

Another thing I noticed is Mandalay Bay appears in the background of the video during the sounds of rapid gunfire. But the hotel remains dark - no flashes from 2/3rds up the hotel that are evident in some of the other videos.

The sound of rapid gunfire begins when the glimpse of the officers in the corner of the video appears, leading a casual observer to conclude he's the source of the gunfire.

But watching the video without sound, noticing most of the crowd has already disbursed, a lot of empty spaces, it appears to me the scene may have been captured soon after the 10 minute mark. That would also explain why the video taker is standing still, just watching the crowd as if no immediate danger is perceived, (as opposed to amidst a hail of gunfire).

And so my thoughts - was the video manipulated by adding audio that occured minutes before? I'm not an expert but if this video is "proof" of an faked event organized by "the government" I think people ought to understand how easily they can be duped into "believing" by fakery in photos and videos as well.

 

[canadiangirl]

It is an interesting video, what the eye sees. You're right, the existence of the strobe lights somewhat appearing to be gunfire was debunked early on.

Another thing I noticed is Mandalay Bay appears in the background of the video during the sounds of rapid gunfire. But the hotel remains dark - no flashes from 2/3rds up the hotel that are evident in some of the other videos.

The sound of rapid gunfire begins when the glimpse of the officers in the corner of the video appears, leading a casual observer to conclude he's the source of the gunfire.

But watching the video without sound, noticing most of the crowd has already disbursed, a lot of empty spaces, it appears to me the scene may have been captured soon after the 10 minute mark. That would also explain why the video taker is standing still, just watching the crowd as if no immediate danger is perceived, (as opposed to amidst a hail of gunfire).

And so my thoughts - was the video manipulated by adding audio that occured minutes before? I'm not an expert but if this video is "proof" of an faked event organized by "the government" I think people ought to understand how easily they can be duped into "believing" by fakery in photos and videos as well.

This video CARIIS asked us to view very early on.. CARIIS do you remember which day you were talking about this?

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[bluesneakers]

It sure is all calm and serene for an alleged violent act there was no brain material behind the head after a bullet allegedly roared through it ??

I've never looked at pictures of other people who committed suicide this way so I can't say if there's anything unusual about it.

 

[ohreally]

The video can be found on YouTube with the same title. It was published on Oct. 2, 2017. By clicking the link under the description software was used for instant upload to social media. It is software that generates money to the poster. From my understanding.
Makes me question the authenticity of a video that generates when software is used for instant upload yet it is not posted till a day later and for profit.

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

I've never looked at pictures of other people who committed suicide this way so I can't say if there's anything unusual about it.

I have.
I don't believe he was found like that by SWAT.
It looks too "neat" to me, but it's all relative to what angle the gun was at.
Knowing blood goes with gravity, I'm not able to explain why it's on his forehead the way it is or why it's on his chest. It's really odd. He would have had to have been slumped over forehead towards the floor to get blood on his chest and forehead like that. IMO
He does however, have the burns on his chin from an apparent suicide.
IMO he was moved (layed out flat) before the photo was taken. This is why his leg is on top of the gun.

Once the heart stops, the bleeding does too, that may be why it looks strange.
The placement of the gun above his head is a non issue to me. SWAT would have kicked it out of his reach for their safety.

This is just what stands out to me. I'm sure someone else knows more about GSW than me!
The shell casings DO look "placed" to me. I don't believe they landed there for a second.
All MOO



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[bluesneakers]

I have.
I don't believe he was found like that by SWAT.
It looks too "neat" to me, but it's all relative to what angle the gun was at.
Knowing blood goes with gravity, I'm not able to explain why it's on his forehead the way it is or why it's on his chest. It's really odd. He would have had to have been slumped over forehead towards the floor to get blood on his chest and forehead like that. IMO
He does however, have the burns on his chin from an apparent suicide.
IMO he was moved (layed out flat) before the photo was taken. This is why his leg is on top of the gun.

Once the heart stops, the bleeding does too, that may be why it looks strange.
The placement of the gun above his head is a non issue to me. SWAT would have kicked it out of his reach for their safety.

This is just what stands out to me. I'm sure someone else knows more about GSW than me!
The shell casings DO look "placed" to me. I don't believe they landed there for a second.
All MOO



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Oh, good point. We don't know exactly when the photo was taken or if he'd been moved.