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kittythehare said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...searches-history-motive-victims-a8021971.html

i'm having a problem with this part
[FONT="]Investigators suspect gunman removed the hard drive from the laptop after opened fire from his high-rise suite at the Mandalay Bay hotel-casino into a crowd at a country music concert, killing 58 people and wounded hundreds of others, an official told the Associated Press. [/FONT]

I read this before and I dont understand what it means or how they could have deduced he removed hard drive aFTER he had started shooting.??
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Probably because they knew he was using the computer before he killed himself and knew that it couldn't function without the hard drive. I'd be willing to guess he tossed it out the window, threw it down a vent shaft, etc. - it could be anywhere. Earlier, I guessed there was information there that could reveal other criminal activity he was involved in. That could be any number of things. But he saw this, and the act of killing himself, as his last show of superiority over LE and investigators.
 
Betty P said:
Probably because they knew he was using the computer before he killed himself and knew that it couldn't function without the hard drive. I'd be willing to guess he tossed it out the window, threw it down a vent shaft, etc. - it could be anywhere. Earlier, I guessed there was information there that could reveal other criminal activity he was involved in. That could be any number of things. But he saw this, and the act of killing himself, as his last show of superiority over LE and investigators.
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I reckon you're right..there was nothing ominous at all on that hard drive...it was merely part of the game.
 
kittythehare said:
Wow betty, just WOW.
You have absolutely nailed it!
That was the game, wasn't it?
The only game, the ultimate game!
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Thanks! I'm not sure its accurate, but its the best I can come up with. From the beginning, he's given me the impression he's a controlling, authoritarian kind of person. Thinking about gambling, I'm guessing its just an extension of that obsession to control things. We also pick up a lot of arrogance in his personality and his past interactions with people. He seemed like one of those people who always thought he had to prove he was better than you or anyone. I can think of a more accurate description, but it involves obscenity. We've all met people like this before, he just took it a few steps farther than most.
 
kittythehare said:
I reckon you're right..there was nothing ominous at all on that hard drive...it was merely part of the game.
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Seems he liked to make people feel inferior to him, to demean them. I believe the reports from people who said he used to belittle his girlfriend. He probably treated others at the casino, etc. the same way. Killing people and getting rid of the hard drive was probably his little extra dig at LE and the casino. He wanted to try to make them feel inferior. He must have been a very bitter, unhappy person. Injustice collector who spent his entire life getting revenge against others any way he could.
 
MistyWaters said:
If he was considered a cheap tipper and given his accounting background it's easy to imagine he also complied statistics of every cent that passed through his hands while gambling. Those records would indicate an upward or downward trend. If the hard drive of the laptop was destroyed, I'd further speculate it contained all his life's gambling records and he did it a rage to destroy the visible evidence of what he perceived to be evidence of his failure.
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Respectfully snipped for focus.

This sounds like a strong possibility considering what we've learned about him.
 
Betty P said:
Probably because they knew he was using the computer before he killed himself and knew that it couldn't function without the hard drive. I'd be willing to guess he tossed it out the window, threw it down a vent shaft, etc. - it could be anywhere. Earlier, I guessed there was information there that could reveal other criminal activity he was involved in. That could be any number of things. But he saw this, and the act of killing himself, as his last show of superiority over LE and investigators.
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Maybe Paddock decided not to use the internal hard drive that came with his laptop computer. He could have removed it himself and used a Linux live OS (operating system) and a USB stick. A USB stick is basically a portable hard drive. Easy to do, easy to remove, easy to dispose of and it leaves no trace on the laptop because everything is done in RAM (random access memory). Some people don't realize that you can run a laptop computer from a USB stick/flash drive with the internal hard drive removed. It's relatively basic stuff and it's much easier to hide or destroy a portable USB stick/flash drive which is smaller in size than an internal hard drive. I don't think he would have had time to take apart his laptop and extract the internal hard drive with everything going on his room. I could very well be wrong but it would just seem easier for him to do it that way. (JMO)
 
Manterro said:
Maybe Paddock decided not to use the internal hard drive that came with his laptop computer. He could have removed it himself and used a Linux live OS (operating system) from a USB stick. A USB stick is basically a portable hard drive. Easy to do, easy to remove, easy to dispose of and it leaves no trace because everything is done in RAM (random access memory). Some people don't realize that you can run a laptop computer from a USB stick/flash drive with the internal hard drive removed. It's relatively basic stuff and it's much easier to hide or destroy a portable USB stick/flash drive than an internal hard drive. I don't think he would have had time to take apart his laptop and extract the internal hard drive with everything going on his room. I could very well be wrong but it would just seem easier for him to do it that way. (JMO)
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That makes a lot of sense.
BUT, surely they would have considered this as part of the investigation?
Yet, this week announced, anonymously,that it was the hard drive that had been removed!
what gives??
 
kittythehare said:
That makes a lot of sense.
BUT, surely they would have considered this as part of the investigation?
Yet, this week announced, anonymously,that it was the hard drive that had been removed!
what gives??
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You're right. I don't know what's going on anymore. The more I try to understand things, the more confused it get.
 
Betty P said:
He was a control-freak. He liked to control and manipulate people and things in his environment, JMO. It gave him that sense of superiority that he craved. With his tricks and algorithms, he convinced himself that he could control the gambling games he played, calculating his risk to the last decimal. He had little or no concern about how his activities affected others - they were just tools to him to get what he wanted - money, sex, food, etc. Perhaps came from his environment growing up - that overpowering desire to control everything and everyone around him.

At some level, when controlling his environment no longer gave him the satisfaction it once did, his guard was down and he began to fantasize about the ultimate control - taking the lives of others. Taking someone's life is the ultimate act of control, of bending another to your will, of exercising the ultimate power move. He killed all those people because he enjoyed it. He enjoyed planning and executing the plan. He hoped to get away with it so he could do it again. When he knew police would capture him, he took his own life - his last act of controlling his life, his environment.

There are many killers who have the same need for power and control. It's a common motivator for rapists and killers.
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Think this is as close to a motive that we will ever get. There is nothing logical about attacks such as this...this is as close as we get to understanding such atrocities....what it often boils down to.
 
Has anyone seen any pics of bullets hitting anything above ground level? I cant comprehend the notion that one person was shooting from high up at an angle and not hitting anything but people and concrete.

That's a gravity thing and a highly trained sniper skill set IMO not a senior citizen

It becomes even crazier in that it was raining bullets according to them , while according to them at the same time he only hits the thigh of someone 8 feet away utilizing 200 rounds

just visually it is incredulous IMO

From what I have learned shells coming out of those things are red hot, and he is supposedly shooting near curtains , in a carpeted environment and there isn't even a little burn mark on anything -- including the dead bodies shoes pant legs forearms etc??

Were also talking about a hot smokey environment, with fire alarms screaming and a senior citizen, in darkness can aim that well 1000s of feet away

senior citizens do have visual acuity decline as they age
 
CARIIS said:
Has anyone seen any pics of bullets hitting anything above ground level? I cant comprehend the notion that one person was shooting from high up at an angle and not hitting anything but people and concrete.

That's a gravity thing and a highly trained sniper skill set IMO not a senior citizen

It becomes even crazier in that it was raining bullets according to them , while according to them at the same time he only hits the thigh of someone 8 feet away utilizing 200 rounds

just visually it is incredulous IMO
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He was a highly skilled sniper Cariis. From the outset his skills have been acknowledged as sniper like. this description first arose because of the distance he stood back from the window while firing, in order to prevent the gunfire being identified as coming from his window, or even as gunfire.
Re the bullets, we dont have crime scene photos, they are not published yet.. So there will be images of bullet damage, I expect..
It happened okay.. people died, the bullets did not magically disappear and dissolve after the event.
Look at the NYT video presentation..
 
Manterro said:
You're right. I don't know what's going on anymore. The more I try to understand things, the more confused it get.
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No worries my dear - you are not alone--if this were a motion picture people would be walking out half-way cause it makes no sense and in terms of plot is getting stupider as the screenplay puts along into total absurdity!

A box office bomb!!
 
kittythehare said:
That makes a lot of sense.
BUT, surely they would have considered this as part of the investigation?
Yet, this week announced, anonymously,that it was the hard drive that had been removed!
what gives??
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It's possible Paddock took the internal hard drive out of the computer before he even checked into the room. I'm thinking maybe he hooked up the cameras in the hallway to his laptop and used the monitor to watch the cameras. I'm not sure but I believe you could do that without the hard drive being installed in the laptop. LE may have assumed the internal hard drive was in the laptop because you can't tell it's missing from looking at the outside of it. When they brought it to the lab, they discovered it was missing. I'm just guessing and that's all I can think of at this point.
 
Manterro said:
It's possible Paddock took the internal hard drive out of the computer before he even checked into the room. I'm thinking maybe he hooked up the cameras in the hallway to his laptop and used the monitor to watch the cameras. I'm not sure but I believe you could do that without the hard drive being installed in the laptop. LE may have assumed the internal hard drive was in the laptop because you can't tell it's missing from looking at the outside of it. When they brought it to the lab, they discovered it was missing. I'm just guessing and that's all I can think of at this point.
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Thats interesting.. I know nothing about technology and i would never have known it would not have been visible. Makes sense.
I read that the cctv's outside the door on the food cart had been hooked to an i-pad.. That may have been in a dailymail report so not sure if its true or not..
 
kittythehare said:
Thats interesting.. I know nothing about technology and i would never have known it would not have been visible. Makes sense.
I read that the cctv's outside the door on the food cart had been hooked to an i-pad.. That may have been in a dailymail report so not sure if its true or not..
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I have an older laptop computer and you have to remove the screws and take it apart to access the internal hard drive. It's a pain in the butt. I'm not sure about the newer ones though. Maybe you can push a button and it pops out and maybe it's visible from the outside. So I could be wrong with my theory. Also, when I heard Paddock had a computer in his room, I assumed it was a laptop. If he had an i-pad, then I'm not sure how the hardware is designed on those. Maybe had both an i-pad and a laptop in his room. It's really a guessing game at this point because no pictures are currently available from the crime scene.
 
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...in-in-las-vegas-strip-shooting-investigation/

The LV Review Journal posted a list of questions that remain about the shooting. It's a fairly lengthy list.

Here are just a few I'd like to know myself:

Considering the gunman killed himself, why are investigators withholding so much information about the case? Do they believe he had accomplices?

What evidence shows he might have planned to escape?

What exactly were the 23 guns found in the hotel suite? How many were equipped with bump stocks? How many had been fired? How many jammed? How many rounds did he fire?

When did authorities determine the hard drive from the gunman’s laptop was missing?

Who took the photos of the dead gunman and his room after the shooting? Where does the investigation into this leak stand?

MGM Resorts is providing room and board for Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos. Is it also taking care of building engineer Steven Schuck?

How many Mandalay Bay employees knew of the gunman’s presence in the hotel? How many interacted with him before he started shooting?

Did he change his gambling habits for this trip and did his hosts notice?

How many times did the gunman leave the Mandalay Bay property during his hotel stay?

Did Mandalay Bay have any armed security guards in the resort when the shooting started?

How many guards does Mandalay Bay normally have on duty compared with other Strip hotels of a similar size?

How and where did the gunman learn to shoot?
 
This snippet is from an earlier interview with the father of one of the Sandy Hook victims. Then comes LV, yet another. Wow, hard to imagine what kind of people follow this kind of "everything's fake" sort of thinking. That's take an conspiracy of monumental perportions involving not only victims, but also other tourists, hotel employees, police officers, emergency responders, hospitals, nurses, doctors, funeral homes, churches..... .

Just my guess that "the believers" are the type who walk around in public plugged into their iPhones, oblvious to other people and the world out there. What's online becomes the reality in which they live....

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"Orlando, San Bernardino, all these shootings — and they think that the victims are all ... all crisis actors paid to essentially pretend like they're a part of this tragedy."

Earlier this year, a Florida woman who believes Sandy Hook was a hoax was sent to prison for threatening Lenny Pozner, whose six-year-old son was killed in the elementary school shooting.

"The model that they follow, as soon as there's a public incident such as this, a mass casualty event, it must be a false flag right away," Pozner, who runs a foundation dedicated to eradicating false news, told CBC Radio's The 180 in February.

"They start looking for anomalies and look for patterns, and then just the existence of those things is proof it's not a real event in the way they present it."

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens...ssed-online-by-conspiracy-theorists-1.4375149
 
It's very sad when victims are being victimized again by conspiracy theorists.
 
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