NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #9

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I’m giving a *suggestion*. Relax. The hostility here is crazy. [emoji1365]

Maybe it is not hostility. Maybe it is just people talking about things that some others can’t wrap their heads around?

Perhaps you are right. Perhaps they identified him through his fingerprints but reported they identified him through DNA?
 
PUlse was intense on my end

I was amazed I could find my post! Did not take that long

I went down there for the memorial here is the post about it

I went

Several days after this abomination, I knew at some point I would have to go down there. I also trusted myself that I would know "when " I could do so. It mattered to me.

As many of you know, I went down there last Monday fully aware that the scene was was blocked off. On that visit, I had to see to the media, from all over the world , caring about this story. It mattered to me
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PULSE - - - :rose:

somewhat O/T, but I have to reply, CARIIS. Thank you for sharing this again. I remember when you first posted it, and it brought back a lot of feelings again today. Bless you, my friend... always.


 
I took your advice kittythehare!
Here are my notes from the FIT report in date/time order up until Campos` movements are described.
Please let me know if there`s a correction that needs to be made.

September 9
SP reserved suite 235 @ MB (no specific floor requested)

September 17
SP checked in to The Ogden booked to Sept 28
While staying at The Ogden, Paddock exhibited behavior which was similar to his time spent at Mandalay Bay. Paddock left for long periods of time, returning to Mesquite, Nevada, flying to Reno, Nevada and traveling to Arizona. Paddock was observed numerous times gambling at downtown Las Vegas casinos. Paddock was also observed moving numerous suitcases from his vehicle to the various units he rented. (per FIT p3)

September 25
1533 SP checked in to 32-135
1656 bellman met SP (5) bags
2137 - 2140 SP left MB from valet
2300 SP arrived in Mesquite

September 26
1012 - 1455 SP cell showed in Mesquite
1535 SP transferred 50k to Philippines
2012 - 2216 SP drove to The Ogden
2102 - 2216 SP gambled @ El Cortez
2223 SP returned to The Ogden
2234 SP returned to MB (7) bags
2218 SP gambled @ MB

September 27
0713 SP stopped gambling
1556 SP ordered room service
1632 32-135 was cleaned by hotel staff
2003 SP left MB w/2 suitcases from valet
2029 SP arrived @ The Ogden
2031 SP entered a room @ The Ogden
2045 - 2200 SP left The Ogden drove to Mesquite
2300 SP arrived @ Walmart in Mesquite

September 28
0227 - 1420 SP cell located in Mesquite
1444 - 1501 SP deposited $14k to Wells Fargo & transferred $50k to Philippines
1523 SP purchased .308 bolt action rifle in Mesquite
1723 - 1803 SP was `seen` 3200 Mesquite Heights Rd
2042 - 2146 SP returned to MB (2) bags + (1) laptop bag
2118 SP gambled @ MB

September 29
0543 SP stopped gambling
1228 - 1314 SP ate @ Mizuya, returned to 32-135
1400 32-135 & 32-134 cleaned
1506 SP checked into 32-134 using MD name
1508 SP went to elevators
1509 SP entered 32-134
1509 - 0100 SP stayed in 32-134 & 32-135
2311 room service order placed to 32-134

September 30
0100 SP traveled to Mesquite
0556 SP returned to MB (4) bags
1204 - 1215 mini bar serviced in 32-134
1300 - 1400 SP declined room cleaning svc
1452 - 1508 SP moved car from valet to self park
1512 SP exited garage (2) bags
1952 - 2057 SP traveled to Mesquite

October 1
0206 SP left Mesquite
0305 SP self parked @ MB
0324 - 0734 SP gambled @ MB
0737 SP returned to his room
1222 - 1226 SP moved car to valet
1229 SP seen w/(3) bags
1233 32-134 order placed for room svc
1317 MB valet moved SP`s car to garage east
1337 32-134 room svc ticket closed
1423 - 1940 32-134 & 32-135 locks manipulated
well done you..i have to ask you, did you get dizzy while reading it?
My head was spinning for about 2 hours afterwards..
 
This is my problem as well, LE has not been open and forthright and there have been so many inconsistencies since the beginning, I don’t know when or if I can start to believe them. And they continue to discount, ignore, deny eye witness statements and evidence such as videos. This indicates to me they are still more concerned with deflecting from and covering up the truth, whatever that is. I have no alternative other than to continue to question their veracity. JMO
It's right to question their veracity.
bUT, if you read the bit kdg put up, or the whole report you will see that not only was he wholly capable of getting all that gear into his room, with minimal assistance, but that he had done trial runs..
I think they may have a point with witholding the cctv pursuant to either the forthcoming alleged indictment or because of the civil cases. However there's a good possibility they may not show the hotel in favourable light, and possibly being remiss in some way.. and that may be contributing to their holding.. but probably not because they would get to choose which clips to show..

the thing is that if there's a hint that vested interests are being protected, it's unlikely we will find it and there would have to be very good proof.
I believe it is a very real possibility if only because of the way the hotel has handled itself following the massacre- closed up like a clam.
 
I would like to take a minute to ask everyone to respect each other’s opinions and ideas. Some of us take things at face value in this case and some of us do not. It is ok. We all think differently. There is no “hostility”. When someone disagrees with your opinion and you respond in defense of your opinion, it is not hostility.
Asking questions about how Paddock was identified is not a conspiracy theory. It is just a question to substantiate facts. There is no theory being put forth.
It would be terrific if we could all just speak about what interests us without continuously having to defend ourselves as not being “conspiracy theorists”
Things will go much more smoothly if we respect each other’s ideas without trying to disregard.
 
I took your advice kittythehare!
Here are my notes from the FIT report in date/time order up until Campos` movements are described.
Please let me know if there`s a correction that needs to be made.

September 9
SP reserved suite 235 @ MB (no specific floor requested)

September 17
SP checked in to The Ogden booked to Sept 28
While staying at The Ogden, Paddock exhibited behavior which was similar to his time spent at Mandalay Bay. Paddock left for long periods of time, returning to Mesquite, Nevada, flying to Reno, Nevada and traveling to Arizona. Paddock was observed numerous times gambling at downtown Las Vegas casinos. Paddock was also observed moving numerous suitcases from his vehicle to the various units he rented. (per FIT p3)

September 25
1533 SP checked in to 32-135
1656 bellman met SP (5) bags
2137 - 2140 SP left MB from valet
2300 SP arrived in Mesquite

September 26
1012 - 1455 SP cell showed in Mesquite
1535 SP transferred 50k to Philippines
2012 - 2216 SP drove to The Ogden
2102 - 2216 SP gambled @ El Cortez
2223 SP returned to The Ogden
2234 SP returned to MB (7) bags
2218 SP gambled @ MB

September 27
0713 SP stopped gambling
1556 SP ordered room service
1632 32-135 was cleaned by hotel staff
2003 SP left MB w/2 suitcases from valet
2029 SP arrived @ The Ogden
2031 SP entered a room @ The Ogden
2045 - 2200 SP left The Ogden drove to Mesquite
2300 SP arrived @ Walmart in Mesquite

September 28
0227 - 1420 SP cell located in Mesquite
1444 - 1501 SP deposited $14k to Wells Fargo & transferred $50k to Philippines
1523 SP purchased .308 bolt action rifle in Mesquite
1723 - 1803 SP was `seen` 3200 Mesquite Heights Rd
2042 - 2146 SP returned to MB (2) bags + (1) laptop bag
2118 SP gambled @ MB

September 29
0543 SP stopped gambling
1228 - 1314 SP ate @ Mizuya, returned to 32-135
1400 32-135 & 32-134 cleaned
1506 SP checked into 32-134 using MD name
1508 SP went to elevators
1509 SP entered 32-134
1509 - 0100 SP stayed in 32-134 & 32-135
2311 room service order placed to 32-134

September 30
0100 SP traveled to Mesquite
0556 SP returned to MB (4) bags
1204 - 1215 mini bar serviced in 32-134
1300 - 1400 SP declined room cleaning svc
1452 - 1508 SP moved car from valet to self park
1512 SP exited garage (2) bags
1952 - 2057 SP traveled to Mesquite

October 1
0206 SP left Mesquite
0305 SP self parked @ MB
0324 - 0734 SP gambled @ MB
0737 SP returned to his room
1222 - 1226 SP moved car to valet
1229 SP seen w/(3) bags
1233 32-134 order placed for room svc
1317 MB valet moved SP`s car to garage east
1337 32-134 room svc ticket closed
1423 - 1940 32-134 & 32-135 locks manipulated
Nice work, kdg. Thanks for condensing and bringing that here. Maybe we should bring cujenn's notes forward as well.

Luggage math: I end up with 17 plus laptop bag, in 7 trips. 5+7-2+2+4-2+3+laptop bag.
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Hey, thanks for the heads up on the different scanner audio versions. I converted to mp3 and then split into smaller files so I can listen on my phone.
 
Hi sillybilly. Is this a new policy for this thread? This thread was originally reopened earlier this month with the understanding that we could discuss openly theories involving deceitful practices by authorities.

Has there been a change we are unaware of ?

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Per FIT report LVMPD identified SP.

Page 49
IX. INVESTIGATION
Mandalay Bay Hotel Room LVMPD officers located several documents, to include photographs, identifying Paddock as the suspect who was lying on the floor with an apparent gunshot wound to the head. Also located inside the room investigators found documentation related to Danley who was later identified as the longtime girlfriend of Paddock.

One of many conflicting points is the reference to recovered DNA.

Page 52..
X. PRELIMINARY FINDINGS FROM THE 1 OCTOBER INVESTIGATION
Paddock acted alone. Thousands of hours of digital media were reviewed and after all the interviews conducted, no evidence exists to indicate Paddock conspired with or acted in collusion with anybody else. This includes video surveillance, recovered DNA (see footnote) and analysis of cellular phones and computers belonging to Paddock.

footnote 19 (Deoxyribonucleic Acid)
 
Per FIT report LVMPD identified SP.

Page 49
IX. INVESTIGATION
Mandalay Bay Hotel Room LVMPD officers located several documents, to include photographs, identifying Paddock as the suspect who was lying on the floor with an apparent gunshot wound to the head. Also located inside the room investigators found documentation related to Danley who was later identified as the longtime girlfriend of Paddock.

One of many conflicting points is the reference to recovered DNA.

Page 52..
X. PRELIMINARY FINDINGS FROM THE 1 OCTOBER INVESTIGATION
Paddock acted alone. Thousands of hours of digital media were reviewed and after all the interviews conducted, no evidence exists to indicate Paddock conspired with or acted in collusion with anybody else. This includes video surveillance, recovered DNA (see footnote) and analysis of cellular phones and computers belonging to Paddock.

footnote 19 (Deoxyribonucleic Acid)
Here's a link to dNA recovery.. it is likely they may have tested hundreds of samples

http://www.forensicsciencesimplified.org/dna/how.html
 
Hi my N!



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Originally Posted by neesaki
So, regarding the second video: the "grooming" thing starts around 1:08 in the video which is about 5:26 PM. The person in the Toyota FJ cruiser is there to do the grooming, first, with the guy with blondish hair in the white shirt and pants. Then he leaves and around 1:33 in the video which is around 5:32 pm the guy in the plaid shirt and a baseball cap shows up to be "groomed". Any idea who works for the FBI or the government that wears a plaid shirt and a baseball cap?..... Throughout that time and before , there are numerous black SUV's, those are black Chevrolet Suburbans or Tahoes, not sure which. I'm sure someone here has a better eye for vehicles ?

So, the question is, what's going on? And why? I guess one can only speculate. I did the times rather quickly so if I'm off please correct me. But I am curious about this video. Do we know where it was shot from, as in where are the cameras located ?

Another thing, when watching the video, there seems to be some times that are not accounted for? As in, there is nothing and then there are suddenly people ? Idk, but there seems to be some parts cut out ? Could someone else watch and tell me I'm not crazy ? LOL!

ETA:

I hope it's ok to be discussing these videos, if so , THANK YOU TRICIA!





It is CCTV! Videos I watch and have posted are eye witness recordings in real time as the events unfolded! On this tradegy all I have done the past 90 days or so is watch eyewitness videos and draw my own conclusions!!

I cant imagine why cell phone video of any event would be a problem posting and discussing. It is the most authentic representation of what transpired??

There are no theories , thoughts, narratives on the stuff I have watched!

We have used CCTV when available on any thread here.

We saw mostly on cell phones -- I never how on this one only it became CT - its video!


Just a quick recall we have used eyewitness video on some threads like"


paris terrorists in the streets yelling
tampa serial killer
missing cases last know surveillance
plane crash video
recordings of 911 calls
video inside batman theatre
inside james holmes house
pictures of garage in austin case
CCTV of him leaving the restaurant
inside the church shooting
video of Charleville (car hitting people)
cell phone of Battica stuff in Paris
video of Nice truck plowing through crowds cell phone
CCTV eyewitness video of Germany truck plowing cell phone
Dallas cop shooting cell phone
body cams dash cams
jewish deli being stormed

Imo only on this tragedy everything got blurred on the other threads is because there was no media coverage -- and since we all are into MSM verification . The words YT, erroneously imply CT-- everywhere.

Because media vanished we had to get our video from YT. IMO the generalized notion , for those who feel YT is all CT is that images are manipulated (and can be).

In this tragedy, however, I came to the conclusion that cell phone video that was being uploaded on YT in real time, while people are fleeing from a barrage of machine gun bullets are not editing or altering their video while running!

There is not time to falsify their cell phone video - it was all real time -- thousands were posted on YT in the first 180 minutes while it is all going on.

I have trust in what my eyes are seeing in real time !

I then trust it is ok, through time, to have questions that contradict what my eyes have seen , what I hear, what I think and compare and contrast what I saw and heard LE stating.

When they become increasingly conflicted it results in my questioning what I see and what they say.

It has really been that simple. I found stuff odd from the beginning but I certainly did not come to where I am today instantly - or in several weeks actually.

It has been slow, anger producing, insulting to common sense, contradictory to our core beliefs as American that public officials have a duty to inform the public. Our whole society is based on that.

THe media vanishing is nothing other than very concerning. I tried in the beginning to tell myself that with rapid news cycles it might go quicker than it did 20 years ago - but three pressers in the worlds ( I think the only one worldwide that was worse was Norway) worst mass shooting or terrorist attack is not ok.

There have to be reasons for this. It is not typical, it is not what we stand for as it relates to freedom of the press and its role in our society. Lombardo deciding to have cops and decide who is allowed inside the few pressers there were IMO is no OK. Violates our first amendment.

The statement a few posts back take for what it is worth is more than indicative that something very wrong is going on here. It is appalling.

To be both respectful and frank - it totally blows my mind the speed at which many came to the sole shooter is confusing to me .

I do think some of my confusion as it relates to us on this tragedy we usually can give each other alternatives to our beliefs and conclusions.

At a deep level I would really like challenges to my conclusions from what I have seen -- because my conclusions are scary- it does not feel safe when government are keeping secrets from those they serve...................
 
It's right to question their veracity.
bUT, if you read the bit kdg put up, or the whole report you will see that not only was he wholly capable of getting all that gear into his room, with minimal assistance, but that he had done trial runs..
I think they may have a point with witholding the cctv pursuant to either the forthcoming alleged indictment or because of the civil cases. However there's a good possibility they may not show the hotel in favourable light, and possibly being remiss in some way.. and that may be contributing to their holding.. but probably not because they would get to choose which clips to show..

the thing is that if there's a hint that vested interests are being protected, it's unlikely we will find it and there would have to be very good proof.
I believe it is a very real possibility if only because of the way the hotel has handled itself following the massacre- closed up like a clam.

and see to me it is LE that bugs me not so much the hotel
 
well done you..i have to ask you, did you get dizzy while reading it?
My head was spinning for about 2 hours afterwards..

oh good i thought it was me one thing that i found fascinating the way it was worded this time was I had not caught that he was taking bags out as well

he must have had some sales!!
 
The only "logical" explanation IMO is SP was not alone. Until these questions are answered.. Well there are more questions then answers and people are obviously not "taking it for what it's worth" MOO

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Yet, Doug Poppa is adamant that SP was alone. If he was alone there must have been a way for him to lock the bedroom door as he left the room.

When I turn the lock on my door it lets me shut it and the door locks behind me. No one is in the room but yet I locked it.

I used to think there was a lock that you had to lock from the inside of the door in question. Don't ask me why I thought that but I did.

If there was a lock on the door that could only be locked from the inside that would me SP would have had to walk out the other door of the room that leads to the hall. Meaning he would have been seen by the security guard, Mr. Campos.

The only thing it could be is a lock someone could lock, walk out, shut the door, and the door is locked.

Now, if there is not lock like that on the door and the only way you could lock it was from the inside then that changes everything.

Tricia
 
Yet, Doug Poppa is adamant that SP was alone. If he was alone there must have been a way for him to lock the bedroom door as he left the room.

When I turn the lock on my door it lets me shut it and the door locks behind me. No one is in the room but yet I locked it.

I used to think there was a lock that you had to lock from the inside of the door in question. Don't ask me why I thought that but I did.

If there was a lock on the door that could only be locked from the inside that would me SP would have had to walk out the other door of the room that leads to the hall. Meaning he would have been seen by the security guard, Mr. Campos.

The only thing it could be is a lock someone could lock, walk out, shut the door, and the door is locked.

Now, if there is not lock like that on the door and the only way you could lock it was from the inside then that changes everything.

Tricia

Did you check out the replies to DP's article? He has some back and forth with a couple of people about the door. Seems to explain it, imho.

ETA: Don't ask me to explain it, but it made sense when I read it.
 
Yet, Doug Poppa is adamant that SP was alone. If he was alone there must have been a way for him to lock the bedroom door as he left the room.

When I turn the lock on my door it lets me shut it and the door locks behind me. No one is in the room but yet I locked it.

I used to think there was a lock that you had to lock from the inside of the door in question. Don't ask me why I thought that but I did.

If there was a lock on the door that could only be locked from the inside that would me SP would have had to walk out the other door of the room that leads to the hall. Meaning he would have been seen by the security guard, Mr. Campos.

The only thing it could be is a lock someone could lock, walk out, shut the door, and the door is locked.

Now, if there is not lock like that on the door and the only way you could lock it was from the inside then that changes everything.

Tricia
Yes I read Poppa saying he thinks SP was alone. I worked in a hotel and while I realize every hotel is different, adjoining rooms the connecting doors lock from the inside of the room and can only be accessed as such IIRC.

Meaning we are adjoined, I lock my side, you being a guest in the other room cannot open the adjoining door from your side. If you opened the door it would be a door but you could not get into the room. From what I recall there is no way for you to open that door unless you had the old style key for the deadbolt. They are not opened by keycard to my knowledge.

Man I hope I'm making sense.
Therefore if the connecting doors are locked he would have had to leave the room to go into the other room. Which would mean go into the hallway.

MOO

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Yes I read Poppa saying he thinks SP was alone. I worked in a hotel and while I realize every hotel is different, adjoining rooms the connecting doors lock from the inside of the room and can only be accessed as such IIRC.

Meaning we are adjoined, I lock my side, you being a guest in the other room cannot open the adjoining door from your side. If you opened the door it would be a door but you could not get into the room. From what I recall there is no way for you to open that door unless you had the old style key for the deadbolt. They are not opened by keycard to my knowledge.

Man I hope I'm making sense.
Therefore if the connecting doors are locked he would have had to leave the room to go into the other room. Which would mean go into the hallway.

MOO

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it was a deadbolt

can anyone come up with a reason why the crowd in the back started fleeing before the first big volley??
 
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