GUILTY NV - Deborah Flores-Narvaez, 31, Las Vegas, 12 Dec 2010 - #1

[Willow57]

That certainly does widen the scope of who may have had a "grudge or bad feelings" toward her.

If something terrible has happened to her it could have been an X, or one of the men who had protective orders against her; could have been a stalker.....or just a random stranger.

I hope she is okay-but I don't know?

 

[SusanB]

Patty I agree. I had posted earlier that it appears that this relationship was very volatile. IMO what a mis-match if all the information is true about Debbie and all her education - Master's degree, law degree, etc.
But somehow all the education a bright talented woman may have disappears over a man.
I would love to have more info about these PFA's- can anyone look this up?

 

[Fairy1]

One thing I haven't heard anything about...any future plans for searches? I know it is flooding now in Vegas as it has been in much of Southern California, and of course Christmas is coming up, but I would think by Sunday or Monday searches would be possible. All I've heard so far is the sister passing out flyers.

I haven't heard of any search plans. Considering the distance between the last sighting and the location where her car was found, they might not have a clue where to look.

The rain is supposed to stop after tonight and I assume LE has had time to check cell phone pings, so maybe we'll hear something about a search.

Then again, LE may not feel a search is necessary.

 

[Amity]

Haven't scrolled back so if this is a repeat, my apologies.

This is the complete Presser.
Questions by reporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8p7ByZsgHg

 

[Amity]

In noooo way am I trying to make Deborah look bad, but I've been thinking of only positive outcomes (still alive) because I don't want to think the worst.....too many of those bad endings lately.

So in trying to come up with reasons why Deborah disappeared, and in light of this latest information about her own troubles with the law, I was wondering......

Does anyone else notice that when the MSM reports on her disappearance, they always state: "According to her Face Book, Deborah holds degrees in Law and Business"
OR
"Her MySpace profile says that she holds advanced degrees in law and business."

Does this mean that reporters haven't actually checked this out themselves....to see if in fact she does hold those degrees?
Is there any way for us, general public, to check this out?

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time we here at WS have seen a disappearance because 'half-truths' were catching up to someone.

With her financial woes, bad break-ups, obvious problems with self-esteem and now we learn of her legal troubles, if someone felt their past was catching up to them, would they go to all this trouble to disappear themselves?

Speaking of self-esteem.....
Here we have a smart, intelligent, talented, beautiful woman who could prob have any man she wanted with the snap of her finger ...
who'd of ever guessed under that beauty and brains was a woman with such self-esteem problems.
I mean, from the surface, it looked like she had it all!
Guess that goes to show ya....Don't judge a book by it's cover. My Grandma was right.

 

[Fairy1]

In noooo way am I trying to make Deborah look bad, but I've been thinking of only positive outcomes (still alive) because I don't want to think the worst.....too many of those bad endings lately.

So in trying to come up with reasons why Deborah disappeared, and in light of this latest information about her own troubles with the law, I was wondering......

Does anyone else notice that when the MSM reports on her disappearance, they always state: "According to her Face Book, Deborah holds degrees in Law and Business"
OR
"Her MySpace profile says that she holds advanced degrees in law and business."

Does this mean that reporters haven't actually checked this out themselves....to see if in fact she does hold those degrees?
Is there any way for us, general public, to check this out?

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time we here at WS have seen a disappearance because 'half-truths' were catching up to someone.

With her financial woes, bad break-ups, obvious problems with self-esteem and now we learn of her legal troubles, if someone felt their past was catching up to them, would they go to all this trouble to disappear themselves?

Speaking of self-esteem.....
Here we have a smart, intelligent, talented, beautiful woman who could prob have any man she wanted with the snap of her finger ...
who'd of ever guessed under that beauty and brains was a woman with such self-esteem problems.
I mean, from the surface, it looked like she had it all!
Guess that goes to show ya....Don't judge a book by it's cover. My Grandma was right.

You make some good points and, I agree, this could go either way. But Debbie wouldn't be the first intelligent woman to fall prey to a , that's for sure.

What I keep coming back to is the DV with the ex. There are literally thousands of girls just like Debbie in Vegas - many of them are dancers or entertainers of one kind or another who may have overzealous fans or followers. But they generally don't just turn up missing days before a court hearing for a fairly recent DV case. The circumstances of this case are concerning.

 

[Amity]

OK, found something. Not much but.....

"I went to Law School for a year but decided to pursue my MBA instead (for now). "

In some interviews and some talking heads have led me to believe that she graduated with a law degree.
This writing of hers on Model Mayhem has her saying she quit law school after a year.

ModelMayhem: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1212581

 

[Amity]

But they generally don't just turn up missing days before a court hearing for a fairly recent DV case. The circumstances of this case are concerning.

Above Snipped and BBM

Oh, you are soooo right!
I keep hoping the timing of the hearing and her disappearance are just coincidence but now with the other background information coming out, it's looking worse and worse for Debbie.

Her license plate missing......Vegas being my old stomping grounds when my parents retired there, it wasn't uncommon for my parents, me and hubby, neighbors/friends to have to go to DMV to fill out the forms to get new license plates for our cars.

If you left your car parked too long, unattended, you could probably guarantee that you wouldn't have license plates when you got back.

Our truck broke down in the back parking lot of Arizona Char...and by the time we got to it the next morning, our plate was gone.

Mom and Dad would just chuckle and say "You take the good with the bad...it's all part of living in Vegas". lol

So I'm thinking..... the fact Debbie's plate was taken, might not have anything to do with her actual disappearance, no?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Can't people just break up and leave one another alone? What is with men that they can't take being dumped anymore? I don't remember quite so much of this when I was younger...(if that is what it turns out to be, don't mean to accuse or jump the gun.) But in any case, far too many men kill their exes or wives rather than just leave or let them leave. Why can't they take rejection? No one likes it, but it happens to us all.

I thought he was the one that had cheated on her?

From what I gather he had rejected her but she still went to his home often even after he became her ex.

IMO

 

[Fairy1]

Above Snipped and BBM

Oh, you are soooo right!
I keep hoping the timing of the hearing and her disappearance are just coincidence but now with the other background information coming out, it's looking worse and worse for Debbie.

Her license plate missing......Vegas being my old stomping grounds when my parents retired there, it wasn't uncommon for my parents, me and hubby, neighbors/friends to have to go to DMV to fill out the forms to get new license plates for our cars.

If you left your car parked too long, unattended, you could probably guarantee that you wouldn't have license plates when you got back.

Our truck broke down in the back parking lot of Arizona Char...and by the time we got to it the next morning, our plate was gone.

Mom and Dad would just chuckle and say "You take the good with the bad...it's all part of living in Vegas". lol

So I'm thinking..... the fact Debbie's plate was taken, might not have anything to do with her actual disappearance, no?

That is crazy! I've lived here for over 35 years and NEVER had my plates stolen! But here we have a missing person and a missing person's car with no plates, that's a problem, IMO.

 

[Amity]

I thought he was the one that had cheated on her?

From what I gather he had rejected her but she still went to his home often even after he became her ex.

IMO

OceanBlueEyes, You're right.
Most articles I've read about the DV charge against him, it's stated that all three were together at one point when it happened.
Him, his new girlfriend and Debbie.....I'm trying to remember exactly but I think Debbie was following him and new girlfriend in the car or they all ended up together at new girlfriend's home.

Pic I saw, New girlfriend is dressed in a cocktail server outfit so she's probably another dancer? showgirl? or maybe just a cocktail waitress at a casino.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OK, found something. Not much but.....

"I went to Law School for a year but decided to pursue my MBA instead (for now). "

In some interviews and some talking heads have led me to believe that she graduated with a law degree.
This writing of hers on Model Mayhem has her saying she quit law school after a year.

ModelMayhem: http://www.modelmayhem.com/1212581

From your link......

These words are hanting now.

I am looking for a partner in excitement, someone willing to jump out of a plane with me, then relax at sunset and just cuddle. If there is a way to be wild and crazy and tranquil at the same time, I'm it! It's important to live life to the fullest as you don't know what tomorrow will bring...or if it will be here, but still have a good outlook and presence for the future. And the most IMPORTANT thing to remember in this life... Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but how to dance in the rain!!

 

[Amity]

That is crazy! I've lived here for over 35 years and NEVER had my plates stolen! But here we have a missing person and a missing person's car with no plates, that's a problem, IMO.

Maybe because our plates while visiting in Nevada had California plates?
I dunno......but I know of several that were stolen.
No biggy....at least the vehicles weren't stolen or banged up/vandalized in any way.

Just thinking, again hoping Debbie is alive and there will be a decent outcome....that maybe someone, totally unrelated to Debbie missing, saw the car sitting there in an empty lot for a couple days and decided they needed a license plate.

 

[gypsyblue]

Being an entertainer on the strip for 12 years in lv, I must say I agree with whats being said about stalkers and such. live it. While I agree the circumstances of this case are concerning, I cannot rule out the possiblity of her meeting with danger after the visit with the x.....

whose to say that she did not hook up intentionally with someone else out of anger from rejection after the visit with the x....or even unintentionally afterward by maybe going somewhere off to sit and was being followed.....

the fact that she has 3 diff po's by three different men tells me she is quite feisty herself, and while I am not condoning the dv by the x, I feel that this was the type of drama she was used to, and chose to keep going back to, which could have put her in harms way with ANYONE....

I do not rule out the x due to the text to her mother, but it could mean anything. Its just hard for me to personally pinpoint. If I were to get in a fight with my x and disappear right after there would be way more poi's that I would certainly hope were looked at.....just sayin.....jmo

prayers for Debbie ....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In noooo way am I trying to make Deborah look bad, but I've been thinking of only positive outcomes (still alive) because I don't want to think the worst.....too many of those bad endings lately.

So in trying to come up with reasons why Deborah disappeared, and in light of this latest information about her own troubles with the law, I was wondering......

Does anyone else notice that when the MSM reports on her disappearance, they always state: "According to her Face Book, Deborah holds degrees in Law and Business"
OR
"Her MySpace profile says that she holds advanced degrees in law and business."

Does this mean that reporters haven't actually checked this out themselves....to see if in fact she does hold those degrees?
Is there any way for us, general public, to check this out?

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time we here at WS have seen a disappearance because 'half-truths' were catching up to someone.

With her financial woes, bad break-ups, obvious problems with self-esteem and now we learn of her legal troubles, if someone felt their past was catching up to them, would they go to all this trouble to disappear themselves?

Speaking of self-esteem.....
Here we have a smart, intelligent, talented, beautiful woman who could prob have any man she wanted with the snap of her finger ...
who'd of ever guessed under that beauty and brains was a woman with such self-esteem problems.
I mean, from the surface, it looked like she had it all!
Guess that goes to show ya....Don't judge a book by it's cover. My Grandma was right.

I have to admit Amity.........I too have thought of all the things you have stated in your post.

And for some reason I don't think Debbie wanted to testify against Blu. I think she was still in love with him and that is why she kept coming to see him. Some women... especially if they think their abuser will change.. will forgive them. I think she had forgiven Blu before she went missing.


imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just heard on JVM: Deborah had three P. O.'s taken out against her from three different men! Huh?....Seems she may have had a difficult time letting go-also.

This is getting stranger and stranger!

My goodness..........I missed that.

I wonder if Debbie was very obessive and extremely jealous when it came to men.

IMO

 

[sherryk]

I am not sure that this has been touched on tonight after the VLM interview with the friend of DF, Marillez Mozon seems to have the same mindset as Celeste.

They are not doing any favors but evading the important questions as to what is really going on in DF life, if they know anything. They are very evasive in answering any questions.. the only think they are stating is "I dont know much" I heard her in a converstation where she was "naturally" wanting to "patch" things up... when a question is presented to them as to any indecressions or human error on the part of DF .. it seems they are on automatic defense.. it is not doing any good to go on television to help find DF, yet defending her as a person, evading the things that possibly could lead to some answers. The comment on she has over come alot... from Ms. Mozon stated.. however she needs to elaborate on those things she has overcome.. it would help with leads.. insted they that know her are H*** bent on defending the Las Vegas lifestyle, the people there and DF.

The family and friends seem to think this is an attack on Debbie it is not it is called trying to get to the bottom of what leads to go on. Jane Valez-Mitchell seemed to be getting a little annoyed at the answers of only she is a good person, people of las vegas are good people... come on .. yes she was a good person, she may have been troubled, Las Vegas.. good and bad people.. it is apparent on the crime staticts on Sin City.. Las Vegas is known for shady dealings, drugs, mobsters, organized crime, drugs.. so are many other cities... that doesnt mean that she is not a victem.. it means that perhaps she got in over her head in emotions, people and lifestyle.. that doesnt change the fact she is a victem.... however the more these girls get on interview and seem to be so defensive it acually is making me think.. what in the world are they hiding about her..

they need to get some one on one conversation with JVM and other interviews and let them know that being defensive and looks to be hiding DF lifestyle is not doing her any favors as far as finding who did this. They seem to bring more suspision on her as what they seem to be hiding or not wanting to reveal.. it will all come out.. better to know the entire story so this doesnt turn into new things revealed on the actions of DF that is and will cloud investigation....

helping with investigation should be helping.. if these girls want their 15 minutes on tv they need to be prepared to tell the things they know... dont worry she is still a victem and just because restraining orders, isses with boyfriend.. that doesnt make her a bad person... it still makes her missing and possibly dead..

are these girls defending "their" lifestyle or "DF"??
I am a little bothered by their take on what is important and what is not...
they seems to be a littel.. forgive me on this statement.. but a little flakey and caught up in the whole Vegas lifestyle.. what in the world is it that they are hiding that they are so scared it will make her look bad.. do they think it is a reflection on them or perhaps the community they associate with.. if so then they should decline interviews.. are they really helping.. i dont think so....

 

[Nancy2441]

A lot of women like the bad boy type. The consequences can be dire as most of us have seen time and time again. I look at the ex-boyfriend and think why was she with this ? Here she was...a beautiful, talented, intelligent woman who I am sure could of found a much better mate than this guy. She was a college graduate and he is a wanna be , wanna be rapper. WTH?

Abusive relationships are usually learned behaviors. If you grew up in a addicted or violent home or your parents had a very volatile relationship where there was infidelity and abuse than that is what is familiar to you. People gravitate always to what is familiar to them, to what they know. Abusive relationships cross all socioeconomic lines, and we see that, too. So it doesn't matter how beautiful, talented, or intelligent people are...It's all about how you feel about yourself. If you feel deep down you are undeserving of a good man and don't treat yourself respectfully, well you attract what you are. I speak from experience I was in two abusive marriages. Proud to say I have been free of abusers for 17 years. I know when I was in those relationships I knew how to bait my ex's and I knew how to push their buttons and really p*ss them off. It's sick yes. But abusive couples don't know how to relate normally.

When I read Debbie's MS page and she described the type of man she was looking for it sure didn't sound like JG. There was a definite disconnect between what she said she wanted and him... that's for sure.

 

[Willow57]

I have noticed with her sister and her friends that they seem to be trying very hard to protect Debbie's image. I feel so sorry for them-but-I wish they knew that you can be imperfect-as we all are-and still be a victim.

The truth has to come out-however it may fall-in order for LE to know where and whom to look at.

I wish them Strength!

 

[Fairy1]

I can't really blame the family or friends for doing what they can to protect Debbie's image publicly - for two reasons.

1. If there is a chance Debbie is still alive and hiding out somewhere, it will be very difficult for her to return after all the not-so-pretty details of her life are splashed all over the news.

2. They don't want her to be branded in a negative way while she's missing. Sadly, people tend to lose interest in missing persons whose lifestyles are not perfect. I'm sure Debbie's family is trying to avoid any stereotyping. It's bad enough she's been labeled a "dancer" from Vegas. People's perceptions of that description are probably not very positive.

Bottom line is, a young woman is missing and under questionable circumstances. If she has been harmed, she is a victim. Regardless of her life choices or lifestyle.