NY - Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein arrested on sex trafficking, 6 July 2019 #2 *FOUND DECEASED IN JAIL

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beatrixpotter said:
Somebody knew exactly what they were doing taking him off suicide watch. And they knew they'd get found out doing it. BUT they clearly thought they'd get away with it. The entire world is watching and they felt safe and secure in making that choice. What does that say?!
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BBM:

They think they can get away with it, because they have gotten away with it.

So there's that.

What does it say?

"Something is rotten in the State of Denmark."

That's what it says.
 
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Betty P said:
Very suspicious.

Moving him out of suicide watch to a "special cell" means someone was sending Epstein a message. "Do it yourself or we'll do it for you".

At the time he was jailed, I recall (half-jokingly) wishing they would put a camera in his cell with an internet uplink, so we could watch him online, like April the Giraffe when she was foaling. Sure some adaptations would have to be made to ensure his privacy, but every sentient person following his case knew this would be the outcome. It would have been nice to have some special alarm on Epstein that would go off if someone tried to move him. It wasn't enough for jailers to watch Epstein. Someone needed to watch the jailers.
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I’ve always been leery of conspiracy people. And now I am one.
 
 
"The reckoning of accountability begun by the voices of brave and truthful victims should not end with Jeffrey Epstein's cowardly and shameful suicide," said Sigrid McCawley, attorney for Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who has claimed that Epstein kept her as a teenage "sex slave."
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The case against Epstein exposed the names of prominent men in politics and business who associated with him over the years and who various accusers have alleged participated in Epstein's activities. They include President Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, lawyer Alan Dershowitz, former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and former US Sen. George Mitchell -- all of whom have denied any wrongdoing.
Epstein's death is not expected to end new revelations about these luminaries and others, according to legal experts.
Jeffrey Epstein is dead. His cases will live on for years - CNN
 
CoolJ said:
Irrelevant? Are you actually being serious?

It is unfathomable to me that someone would play pedophile apologist for these predators.

First of all there was at least one accuser of Prince Andrew that was under 16.

Secondly, the age of consent in London is IRRELEVANT when children are being brought halfway across the planet to have sex with royal pedophiles.

That is called human trafficking.
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Sorry you don't like it, but there was no crime committed. Roberts was 17 at the time, which is a legal age of consent where the act supposedly happened.

Btw, a pedophile is someone who is attracted to prepubescent children, so that is not what was going on.

Roberts was not brought half way across the world to have sex with anyone. She was part of Epstein's entourage and went where he went, which happened to be London in this instance. That is not trafficking.
 
Tugela said:
Sorry you don't like it, but there was no crime committed. Roberts was 17 at the time, which is a legal age of consent where the act supposedly happened.

Btw, a pedophile is someone who is attracted to prepubescent children, so that is not what was going on.

Roberts was not brought half way across the world to have sex with anyone. She was part of Epstein's entourage and went where he went, which happened to be London in this instance. That is not trafficking.
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Oh my, you are serious!!
 
Consent obtained through threat or fear is not consent. And threat or fear can come in many forms. Age is not the only factor to consider. Epstein was basically a very rich pimp who prostituted young girls for professional status, personal cred and his and others very sick fantasies. Its saddening when it's downplayed that these young girls were commodities.
 
Tugela said:
rsbm

Btw, a pedophile is someone who is attracted to prepubescent children, so that is not what was going on.

Roberts was not brought half way across the world to have sex with anyone. She was part of Epstein's entourage and went where he went, which happened to be London in this instance. That is not trafficking.
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Just because a term is misused, doesn’t make the activity any less wrong, harmful, disgusting, immoral...

Wikipedia:

Pedophilia is not a legal term,[10] and having a sexual attraction to children is not illegal.[7] In law enforcement circles, the term pedophile is sometimes used informally to refer to any person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage victims. These crimes may include child sexual abuse, statutory rape, offenses involving child *advertiser censored*, child grooming, stalking, and indecent exposure.

The words pedophile and pedophilia are commonly used informally to describe an adult's sexual interest in pubescent or post-pubescent teenagers. The terms hebephilia or ephebophilia may be more accurate in these cases.[10][27][137] This was especially seen in the case of Mark Foley during the congressional page incident. Most of the media labeled Foley a pedophile, which led David Tuller of Slate magazine to state that Foley was not a pedophile but rather an ephebophile.[138]

Another common usage of pedophilia is to refer to the act of sexual abuse itself,[2] rather than the medical meaning, which is a preference for prepubescents on the part of the older individual (see above for an explanation of the distinction).[8][9] There are also situations where the terms are misused to refer to relationships where the younger person is an adult of legal age, but is either considered too young in comparison to their older partner, or the older partner occupies a position of authority over them.[139] Researchers state that the above uses of the term pedophilia are imprecise or suggest that they are best avoided.[8][27] The Mayo Clinic states that pedophilia "is not a criminal or legal term".[10]
BBM

Pedophilia - Wikipedia
 
Look, I would hope that no young girl would continue working for Epstein once she discovered what was expected of her. But these were mostly girls carefully chosen from poor, unsupervised or troubled backgrounds who may have not received the kind of guidance that would help them refuse. He pretended to care. He showed interest in their goals. The money was certainly seductive to girls with nothing, but they were groomed and underage. Some felt threatened. Some did walk away from the money. Did I mention that they were under age?

Calling them *advertiser censored* or liars when they are finally adult enough and courageous enough to come forward with their stories is something we have seen a number of powerful men do lately. It’s a pattern of power. Thankfully, some of them, like Bill Cosby and the gymnasts’ doctor Larry Nassar, have been convicted and are in prison, thanks to the courage of these women. I have compassion for them and hope they will stand firm in the face of power.
 
The British press are focusing on Prince Andrew’s link to him on the front pages of tomorrow’s newspapers. The royals will not be happy about this. Prince Andrew must bitterly regret being associated with him and posing for that photo and the Duchess of York must regret taking his money . However there is no suggestion the Prince has done anything unlawful.
 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3sQT9rukL9eNFNNIfO0qph

Child Molesters: A Behavioral Analysis, Kenneth V Lanning, FBI, 1992

Teens are targeted in part because they can be groomed to become compliant victims and their silence can be coerced as they fear self-incrimination based on their increased maturity compared to other child victims.

Teen victims (under 18) are children. Please report anti-victim posts.

Also, there are allegations of adult victims (18 and older) of sexual assault within the context of previously consented to activity, such as massages, engaged in within Epstein.
 
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